Mandatory 2 Year Military Service after HS?

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Wow that made no sense. So basically your 'problem' with the current system is that the people in A) and B) WANT to go while others that DON'T WANT to are being forced to? I hate to sound trollish, but that's what you're giving me.

I understand what you are saying but try to look at the overall picture. The Iraqis are seeing a limited cross section of our society. If they saw it as a whole maybe they wouldn't be so compelled to fight the occupation. Hell maybe its a pipe dream. Maybe there are few people in America that don't actually wish them harm. But thats what I was trying to say.

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Of course, the most important thing we need are people on the front lines of combat discussing political ideas and considering that the war they're fighting is unjust.. Infact while our troops are over there, they should engage in friendly debates. Oh wait, they're fighting a war!!! =\ Again, hate to sound trollish..

When you draft people automatically discuss political ideas. Look what happened in Vietnam. You're waiting for deployment on the front lines and you discuss sh!t with your buddies and your officers. Right now its probably a circle jerk.

Situation A)

We are about to bust into a house with no evidence. Which happens plenty of times from what marines coming back from Iraq have told me. You either A) bust in or B) try a different method.

I highly doubt myself, CK, yourself or a lot of the other people on these boards would just bust in. We have education on these matters. We read about the Vietnam War and International Laws and have realized that there must be an ideal to uphold in order to not lose the peoples trust.

Ok I see where you're coming from, but I still think its a highly uncompelling reason. I'm being raised in a poorer family and my brother decided the Army was for him (not on the front lines of course ), but I feel I can make it without the Army. And I'm damn happy the government doesn't make that choice for me.

 

[piasabird]

I think the USA has forgotten that the U.S. Military is not a mercenary force for fighting other people's war. I have often thought that some Republicans are too eager to send our good fighting ment to their graves. We could have just let Iraq take over Kuwait and never even fought the first war. One dictator is as good as the next one.

I think a policy of non-interference in Saudia Arabia and the middle east might work better.

I wonder if all this bloodshed is worth it. In the long run it would be easier to just use nerve gas in Iraq and kill them all. It seems that some of the Muslim regimes idea of peace is to make nuclear weapons. What do they plan on doing with these nuclear weapons when they make them?

If they use a nuclear weapon against us how should we retaliate?

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
Think we should have mandatory military service for 2 years after school?

A draft was preposed before and after the 2004 elections by the Democrats. Of course, the media kept saying Bush would implement a draft and never mentioned the Democrat plans.

So, you have a lot of Democrats on your side and, I'm sure, some conservatives.

I vote no.

 

[xTYBALTx]

Isn't this a free country?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
Isn't this a free country?

:music:Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty fvckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?:music:

 

[xTYBALTx]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
Isn't this a free country?

:music:Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty fvckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?:music:

"In order to save your freedoms, we're gonna have to take away your freedoms."

:laugh:

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
Think we should have mandatory military service for 2 years after school?

Where are you?

Israel?

 

[Azndude2190]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
Think we should have mandatory military service for 2 years after school?

Even if your planning on going to college?...then again all the men in my family have served in the air force

 

[imported_Ant]

Personally, I'm all for some type of military training. For civil defense and defense of a country it's a good idea to have part timers who are able to fill a role at a moment's notice.

What I'm against is sending part time soldiers into combat zones overseas where they don't even know the rules of engagement. This is the job for volunteers and regular armed forces.
If they're signing up full time, then they're signing up to serve wherever needed. The remuneration should be available so it's worth their while.

If they're part-timers then there should be absolutely no obligation to do anything but national and civil defense duties.
I agree that discipline is best learned in some kind of military training. However, it shouldn't be taken advantage of by creating a force of "shock troops" whose only role is to die or be maimed in the place of more experienced soldiers.

 

[SNiPeRX]

No, I do not think it should be mandatory. That what makes our military so great, we are a volunteer force. I am about to commission this month and I can't wait. Some people would benefit from such training as stated, but some people like jpeyton I wouldn't want to join at all. Also,

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Only if we wanted to breed a nation of retards.

Do you love the fact that you can say stuff like that, and not even realize that you can because of the men and women who join the service. To think we do it for people like you.

 

[Eeezee]

Yes

It will make more people think twice before sending our troops into unnecessary combat and it will give direction and discipline to millions of spoiled American children.

 

[WingZero94]

No, I wouldn't want any liberal pvssies protesting every time they got deployed.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Do you love the fact that you can say stuff like that, and not even realize that you can because of the men and women who join the service. To think we do it for people like you.

Lots of people and factors have been involved to allow him to say stuff like that. It's not just the military that 'gives' the people the current atmosphere that they have.

 

[cwjerome]

It's sort of a striking paradox that many leftists are generally weak on defense, but their zeal for total governmental domination and control over the individual trumps their basic anti-war attitudes, thus they accept the draft (or some sort of forced service).

To think Western Civilization came so close to fully understanding the concept of individual rights... and we seemed to hit a brick wall somewhere along the way. I suppose the feudal idea that a man's life is essentially the state's to use as it wishes is harder to shake than I thought.

 

[Thug Esquire]

This thing part of the Constitution that involves "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" precludes a mandatory military term. How Hitlerian. And yes, Israel is Hitlerian for mandatory military service, too.

 

[Thug Esquire]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
NO. Service should be voluntary unless the a draft is needed.

Drafts fly in the face of the Constitution, too.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Thug Esquire
This thing part of the Constitution that involves "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" precludes a mandatory military term. How Hitlerian. And yes, Israel is Hitlerian for mandatory military service, too.

Well to be accurate, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Declaration, not the Constitution. But I don't think that alters the basic idea of your post. You are correct... very Hitlerian.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
It's an interesting idea, no doubt, but flies in the very face of our freedoms.

Starship Troopers is actually a very interesting book, as it actually explores this notion a great deal more than the fun, yet intellectually void, movie of the same title.

It's one of my top all time reads, and the primary reason I joined the military. There were others, but the philosophical principles of that book are legendary.

As for the movie, eh, nice boobies. That's about it's most redeeming feature.

 

[xirtam]

We're the strongest all-volunteer fighting force ever to have existed. Why forfeit the volunteer status when we don't have to?

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: xirtam
We're the strongest all-volunteer fighting force ever to have existed. Why forfeit the volunteer status when we don't have to?

Because [they think] a draft will piss people off enough for them to want to pull outta Bush's military actions. It's all machiavelian politics... the ends justify the means. The Leftwingers have sold their soul. Real principles are nowhere to be found.

The old hippies must be confused at the "New Left" and their general support for a draft.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Thug Esquire
This thing part of the Constitution that involves "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" precludes a mandatory military term. How Hitlerian. And yes, Israel is Hitlerian for mandatory military service, too.

Well to be accurate, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Declaration, not the Constitution. But I don't think that alters the basic idea of your post. You are correct... very Hitlerian.

Yeah I thought our forefathers intended those to be unalienable rights, meaning they can not be seperated from me or transferred to another person. I don't exactly have my life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness when I'm being forced to go to the Army, do I?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
It's sort of a striking paradox that many leftists are generally weak on defense, but their zeal for total governmental domination and control over the individual trumps their basic anti-war attitudes, thus they accept the draft (or some sort of forced service).

To think Western Civilization came so close to fully understanding the concept of individual rights... and we seemed to hit a brick wall somewhere along the way. I suppose the feudal idea that a man's life is essentially the state's to use as it wishes is harder to shake than I thought.

Yes, and I think both the left and the right are to blame for it. Most people decided it means MY right to do whatever I want, and YOUR right to do whatever I want. The paradox exists almost everywhere you look, you see pro gun ownership people suggesting the government has to give you the ok to marry someone, and you see pro gay marriage folks suggesting the 2nd amendment no longer applies.

I think the brick wall comes from our basic culture as a species. We're social animals, and a big part of that is this whole herd mentality. People that are different fundamentally bother a lot of people. They say primitive government formed for for mutual protection and division of labor, but I think it was because all the other cave people didn't like that Ogg was making fire.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: xirtam
We're the strongest all-volunteer fighting force ever to have existed. Why forfeit the volunteer status when we don't have to?

Because [they think] a draft will piss people off enough for them to want to pull outta Bush's military actions. It's all machiavelian politics... the ends justify the means. The Leftwingers have sold their soul. Real principles are nowhere to be found.

The old hippies must be confused at the "New Left" and their general support for a draft.

Eh, I can sort of see the logic. People tend to think a little differently about a conflict when they might have to defend their ideals with their actual body parts. Although I'm opposed to mandatory military service, it would be rather poetic justice to see the armchair tough guys actually have to go fight in Iraq.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I voted yes, but I think it should be mandatory service (of some sort) for 2 years.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think the USA has forgotten that the U.S. Military is not a mercenary force for fighting other people's war. I have often thought that some Republicans are too eager to send our good fighting ment to their graves. We could have just let Iraq take over Kuwait and never even fought the first war. One dictator is as good as the next one.

I think a policy of non-interference in Saudia Arabia and the middle east might work better.

I wonder if all this bloodshed is worth it. In the long run it would be easier to just use nerve gas in Iraq and kill them all. It seems that some of the Muslim regimes idea of peace is to make nuclear weapons. What do they plan on doing with these nuclear weapons when they make them?

If they use a nuclear weapon against us how should we retaliate?

Hussein was looking to leapfrog into Saudi Arabia after Kuwait and set himself up as the de facto leader of the Middle East. This is a pretty strange thing to say, but if there was an even worse person to have to buy a strategic resource like oil from than the kooks we're buying from now, Hussein would be it.

From a pragmatic point of view, nothing would be better than if everyone just stayed in their own countries and solved their own problems. But if Pearl Harbour didn't wake the world up to the fact that you don't dare do that, I think 9/11 did.