Phoenix86
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- May 21, 2003
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OK, so your a big guy, others aren't...
So you "doubt" his life was at risk... You had better be VERY sure when you life is on the line, no? You don't get a second chance once your dead.
We know the shooter is still alive with the gun, where would he be without it? Dead->intensive care->broken bones->scratches? Who know, and who cares. He was threatened/assaulted with a weapon, and acted correctly, assuming the article has the relevant facts.
Phoenix86
Lifer
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She joined the fray, and I don't see how he would go from life threatening to safe after only shooting one of his attackers... The law may not side with him, however, since she may not have been armed. I'm curious to see how that plays out, and if there is more to the story (ie, the other side).
Ok. From the pdf here:
... a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.
Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:
a. The actor has reasonable grounds to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury...
It goes on and deals with kidnapping, buildings, and other things. I think that's the pertinent one, though. If you want to read it, it starts on page 11 of the pdf.
yea, something doesn't sound right about a couple carrying metal pipes outside of a blockbuster store... I'll wait for a followup.
KoolAidKid
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I question neither his right to have a gun, his right to carry it, nor his actions in front of the Blockbuster. What I really want to know is why people feel the need to carry concealed weapons in the first place. Having first- or second-hand experience with violent crime is a motive that I can certainly understand. But otherwise, why do you do it? The chance that you will actually need it is certainly not high. There must have been something that motivated you. Fear? Are you safety conscious?
jlee
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As a criminal justice major, I've ran into a few cops I probably otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to talk with -- and every single one has been an advocate of concealed carry. Robbers discharge guns in an estimated 20% of all robberies, and the probability of being injured is far from low. As soon as I'm elegible to receive my CCW permit, I'll be carrying.
Didn't one linked story say that the woman was pushing him down while the guy was hitting him with the metal object? That's grounds to shoot them both...he deserves congratulations for accuracy, too -- two double-taps, and no bystanders were injured.
Thinning the herd.
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Perhaps we like to be prepared.
Carrying a gun is no different than wearing your seatbelt - Do we expect anything to happen? No. Will we be prepared if anything does? Absolutely.
Viper GTS
lol, yes it is indeed funny.Originally posted by: SpunkyJones
Thats not funny.
Wait, yes it is.
He did screw up by leaving one of them alive however. If you're gonna do it, do it once and do it right; make sure there's only one story and it's yours. I'm sure all of the court proceedings over the next ten years will be lovely for him.
S.
S.
Originally posted by: Stark
blockbuster sucks.
but the difference, Shareef, is that the white guy with the gun didn't plan to go out and shoot two people that night.
I think it sucks that he wants to lock up this "white guy", rather than to advocate for a system that would allow the minorities to also walk about, go about their daily lives. Two wrongs don't make a right.
From the shooter's story, it certainly seems justified to shoot the guy with a metal pipe, but the wife? I know she was beating his ass too, but I dunno... Doesn't seem like she would be a threat after watching a guy get shot.
Phoenix86
Lifer
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Do you have auto insurance? Do you have a lock on your front door? Do you wear a seat belt?
Do you plan on getting in a wreck? Do you plan on being robbed in your house? Do you plan on ejecting yourself from your car?
Assuming the facts are as simple as they present themselves, this man's case is EXACTLY why. I don't have to experience crime to know it exists and be prepared. I have never been robbed either, but I lock my door.
FWIW, I don't carry, but everytime I go for a night out downtown, and I have to park far from clubs or bars, I wish I carried a gun. There're beggars and robbers who would harm you for a buck. I've had a couple of guys threaten me because I didn't give them any money. Whether or not I should/would use the gun when given a choice, I can't know for sure, but I wouldn't want that option taken away from me because someone thinks I shouldn't.
And here's a preemptive FU to whomever tells me I shouldn't be going to those places in the first place. These guys are everywhere. I can't get away from them. That, and I'm single.
43st
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I'm all for concealed carry, but only if everyone get's a gun! I bet that would've changed the outcome of that encounter. In fact every arguement that starts should be solved with a gun. Instead of the frail, weak and scared only carrying guns we'd all have a chance.
I'm probably not one to talk on this though. I lost a friend of mine to one of these gun nuts about 12 years ago, thankfully the fvck head died a few years later in a state prison. I guess I find it ironic that the people with the weapons are the last people who should be deciding whether someone should live or die.
I'm probably not one to talk on this though. I lost a friend of mine to one of these gun nuts about 12 years ago, thankfully the fvck head died a few years later in a state prison. I guess I find it ironic that the people with the weapons are the last people who should be deciding whether someone should live or die.
In Texas, you can shoot-to-kill if someone's simply on your property. I saw this thing on Discovery about the repo man and sat there with my mouth agape when I heard that. The repo man was really really nervous and was in a HUGE hurry to get in, get the boat, and leave before he got shot, legally.
I'm so moving to Texas.
KoolAidKid
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OK, I guess I understand your motivation, although I didn't realize that toting a gun means that you are also gung-ho for auto insurance and seat belts. I wear a seat belt because there are benefits to wearing one and few if any costs. For me at least, carrying a gun is a huge price to pay for the benefit you get from it.
Bateluer
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"They say Davis struck 52-year-old Glenn Eichstedt with some type of metal object. Eichstedt then pulled out his gun."
"Under Colorado law, a person may use deadly force in self-defense if they believe deadly force is being used against them."
If said metal object was in fact a pipe, that constitutes deadly force and he was justified in using his gun for self defense.
"At a separate protest in front of the Aurora Municipal Building Thursday, community members expressed frustration that Eichstedt has been allowed to remain free during the investigation. They believe it's because he's white."
BullSH!T. The man defended himself from agressors, and likely has no prior record given that he had a legal concealed weapons permit. Grow the fvck up.
"Under Colorado law, a person may use deadly force in self-defense if they believe deadly force is being used against them."
If said metal object was in fact a pipe, that constitutes deadly force and he was justified in using his gun for self defense.
"At a separate protest in front of the Aurora Municipal Building Thursday, community members expressed frustration that Eichstedt has been allowed to remain free during the investigation. They believe it's because he's white."
BullSH!T. The man defended himself from agressors, and likely has no prior record given that he had a legal concealed weapons permit. Grow the fvck up.
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