Man who scuffled with police dies *update*

JDawg1536

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*5-10-12

The case will go to trial, and charges are being sought against a third officer.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nd-trial-death-homeless-man-article-1.1075648

*5-8-12

Video has finally been released -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU0Imk2Bstg

*Update 9-21-11*

Two officers have been charged.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/da-announces-kelly-thomas-murder-charges.html

*Update 8-6-11*

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...45104#44045104

The process to recall the mayor and two representatives has been initiated.

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Cliffs-
- Police receive calls of man breaking in to cars
- Police confront mentally ill homeless man
- Homeless man resists and tries to flee
- Police tase homeless man at least five times, then beat him to death


FULLERTON – A 37-year-old man who suffered head and neck injuries was taken off life support five days after police say he fought with officers trying to search him.

Kelly Thomas, who was homeless and suffered from schizophrenia, died Sunday afternoon at UCI Medical Center in Orange, his father, Ron Thomas, said.

"It was a brutal beating," said Thomas, a former Orange County sheriff's deputy. "My son's injuries were more indicative of someone using techniques to take someone out, to kill them immediately."

The incident happened about 8:30 p.m. Tuesday when officers went to investigate reports of a man trying to burglarize cars in a parking lot next to the bus depot in the 100 block of South Pomona Avenue, Fullerton police Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said.
Officers spotted a shirtless man with a beard, shorts and a backpack who they suspected of being involved in the attempted burglaries, Goodrich said.

The man began to fight officers as they tried to search him, Goodrich said.
"We don't know why he was so combative and resistant to the officers, but it took upwards of five to six officers to subdue him," Goodrich said.
Thomas said officers used extreme force and they put him in a state of "Hey, I'm going to die."

"Those people need to be highly trained and not let their emotions get out of control," Thomas said, adding that he specializes in arrest and control techniques.
During the scuffle, Thomas suffered head and neck injuries and was taken to a hospital. At least six officers were involved in the fight. Two officers suffered moderate injuries during the fight, including broken bones.

Goodrich declined to say if the officers have been placed on administrative leave.
Thomas contended that his son's injuries were the result of an "extreme use of force" by officers, who he believes "slammed" his son's head and face into the ground. Based on his son's injuries, Ron Thomas believes officers "took his legs out from under him while pushing him downward."

"They have all the training, they have the weapons, they have the Tasers, and he is 160 pounds, barehanded," Thomas said.
"Sometimes when we take people into custody who don't want to go into custody, we have to use force. It is never the preferred way of doing things," Goodrich said.
Goodrich said police are conducting an internal investigation into the officers' actions and the District Attorney's Office is conducting a criminal investigation.
"In the name of transparency and an impartial investigation, it was determined that it would be in the best interest of the department to turn the criminal investigation to the Orange County District Attorney's Office," Goodrich said. "It's an unfortunate and tragic incident and our condolences are with the family."
Thomas is posting fliers around the bus depot area in hopes that witnessed will come forward.

"We absolutely need justice in this," Thomas said.
Kelly Thomas is survived by his father, mother, brother and sister.
-Register staff writer Sean Emery contributed to this report.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/officers-307824-thomas-goodrich.html
 
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HumblePie

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Okay, the victim's name is Thomas and the officer giving the story is Thomas. So confusing.
 

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Okay, the victim's name is Thomas and the officer giving the story is Thomas. So confusing.

the "officer" giving the story is the victims father, who is a former deputy...

makes sense they have the same last name.

wow i got raped by 3 other posters.
 

ch33zw1z

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lol...easy guys.

I hope the truth comes out, seems a bit extreme. 6 cops, two with broken bones...."hey guys, quit hittin' yourselves" :p
 

Kadarin

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From TFA:

At least six officers were involved in the fight. Two officers suffered moderate injuries during the fight, including broken bones.

If he's resisting that hard, fuck him. The world is now a slightly better place.
 

HumblePie

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No, that is the victim's father, a former sheriff. Fathers and sons usually have the same last name. ;)

And what part of my statement was incorrect? I said the victim and the officer giving the story had the same name. Which is true. It was also confusing to read the story that way. Which is also true.

They could have used full names or just Ron and Kelly for references to make it easier to distinguish while reading the article.
 

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This is a tragedy, but I you can't resist the police to the point of breaking their bones and expect it to end well. I'm sure they weren't aware of his condition, so I would be shocked if their actions are deemed criminal.
 

HumblePie

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This is a tragedy, but I you can't resist the police to the point of breaking their bones and expect it to end well. I'm sure they weren't aware of his condition, so I would be shocked if their actions are deemed criminal.

His condition is just being mentally insane. And homeless. Yes, detaining him would require more force that is used for the average person since he was resisting. Still you would think with 6 of them there and tasers they would be able to subdue him without killing him.

More than likely it was an accident, but an accident does not resolve a person of committing a crime. I don't think these cops set out with the intention of trying to kill him, but I think they still screwed the pooch with too much force and someone died because of it. They messed up and should pay equivalent consequences for their actions. Which is slightly more than a slap on the wrists, but should not be years in prison either.
 

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This is a tragedy, but I you can't resist the police to the point of breaking their bones and expect it to end well. I'm sure they weren't aware of his condition, so I would be shocked if their actions are deemed criminal.

LOL, I'm guessing a couple of cops might have broken knuckles and/or fingers judging by the bloody pulp they left the victims' face.
 

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His condition is just being mentally insane. And homeless. Yes, detaining him would require more force that is used for the average person since he was resisting. Still you would think with 6 of them there and tasers they would be able to subdue him without killing him.

More than likely it was an accident, but an accident does not resolve a person of committing a crime. I don't think these cops set out with the intention of trying to kill him, but I think they still screwed the pooch with too much force and someone died because of it. They messed up and should pay equivalent consequences for their actions. Which is slightly more than a slap on the wrists, but should not be years in prison either.

It does a police officer, in order for them to be prosecuted for this crime malicious intent will have to be proved. United States v. Matlock, 415 U.S. 164 (1974)

Notice I am not saying the officers didn't commit a crime, I'm just pointing out that this would never make it past indictment.

LOL, I'm guessing a couple of cops might have broken knuckles and/or fingers judging by the bloody pulp they left the victims' face.

See above, it won't matter, malicious intent cannot be proved. So even if they did give him an extra beating, which I assume they did, they still walk.
 

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Mental illness does not add worth to a worthless person. It simply means that he's not only worthless, he's also fucked in the head.

I didn't mean it adds worth, I meant that it explains what happened and meant that this person needed help, he could well have been a very worthwhile person with the right help.
 

JDawg1536

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Mental illness does not add worth to a worthless person. It simply means that he's not only worthless, he's also fucked in the head.

This happened about 300 feet from my home. I encountered the homeless man dozens of times over the last two years. He's harmless, and far from worthless.
 

JDawg1536

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It does a police officer, in order for them to be prosecuted for this crime malicious intent will have to be proved. United States v. Matlock, 415 U.S. 164 (1974)

Notice I am not saying the officers didn't commit a crime, I'm just pointing out that this would never make it past indictment.



See above, it won't matter, malicious intent cannot be proved. So even if they did give him an extra beating, which I assume they did, they still walk.

If you care to read, there is much more to the story. There is a video taken by the dispatcher who zoomed in on the beating.... At least one of these officers will be heading to prison.
 

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Seems to me like the officers took out their anger on the poor guy and beat him to death on purpose. 6 against 1? Give me a break.
 

JDawg1536

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Seems to me like the officers took out their anger on the poor guy and beat him to death on purpose. 6 against 1? Give me a break.

A UFC champion on PCP doesn't need that kind of force. Apparently the 150lb homeless guy was actually Clark Kent.
 

Zargon

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his father is in the paper crying foul, but why wasnt he keeping him off the streets in an instituition where he could get help?