Man who installed Hillary email server given immunity by government

[zinfamous]

There is not going to be an indictment. If anything the investigation is to ensure Clinton will come out unscathed in the end.

Ugh people will make any kind of mountains out of Clinton's uninteresting holes.

:hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

"I did not have textual relations with that server" Hillary Clinton

that's gold

 

[werepossum]

"I did not have textual relations with that server" Hillary Clinton

+1

 

[Fern]

Originally Posted by Jaskalas
And all her employees were copying secret information from secured systems onto the insecure system. Committing all sorts of various crimes and likely conspiracy to do so.

Are you trying to make a joke, or do you really believe that? It is completely false based on all information released so far. There has been no evidence any of Clinton's emails were copied from the classified domain.

According to recent reports he's far more correct than you:

- Although not discussed much here, the DoJ has joined with the FBI in this investigation. IIRC, the AG (Loretta Lynch sp?) announced it last week in a presser.

- It has been suggested that the DoJ became involved to provide more investigative tools to the FBI, such as subpoena power etc. It would seem the ability to grant immunity is another 'tool' the DoJ can provide.

- Current news reports, popping up after the grant of immunity was announced, say the FBI is now focusing its attention on how the security gap was 'jumped'. I.e., how did the info get taken from the secure site over to Clinton's private server. So, Jaskalas' post jibes closely with today's news.

Fern

 

[master_shake_]

Bill Clinton created a bubble, he was just lucky it popped shortly after he left office. He also dropped the ball on Bin Laden, he was just lucky that the attack happened after he left office. And Hillary will definitely start wars.

But then again, I am talking to the guy who believes slave labor is OK as long as he saves a nickel on lettuce.

bullshit.

all of that is bullshit.

bush didn't give 2 fist fulls of fuck all about bin laden

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/22/clarke.bush/

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/

the declassified memo is in the second link.

 

[Jhhnn]

According to recent reports he's far more correct than you:

- Although not discussed much here, the DoJ has joined with the FBI in this investigation. IIRC, the AG (Loretta Lynch sp?) announced it last week in a presser.

- It has been suggested that the FBI became involved to provide more investigative tools to the FBI, such as subpoena power etc. It would seem the ability to grant immunity is another 'tool' the DoJ can provide.

- Current news reports, popping up after the grant of immunity was announced, say the FBI is now focusing its attention on how the security gap was 'jumped'. I.e., how did the info get taken from the secure site over to Clinton's private server. So, Jaskalas' post jibes closely with today's news.

Fern

"Sources", amirite?

The FBI is part of the DoJ, iirc.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

bullshit.

all of that is bullshit.

Guess you never knew this was the case.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-bill-clinton-osama-bin-laden-20140801-story.html

Bill Clinton: 'I could have killed' Osama bin Laden in 1998

A day before Sept. 11, 2001, former President Bill Clinton told an audience that he could have had Osama bin Laden killed, but chose not to, because an attack could have endangered innocent women and children in Afghanistan.

 

[Fern]

"Sources", amirite?

For which part do you need sources?

The FBI is part of the DoJ, iirc.

What's your point?

Fern

 

[master_shake_]

Guess you never knew this was the case.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-bill-clinton-osama-bin-laden-20140801-story.html

he left bush a plan and dick clark on how to get him though.

it wasn't his job after bush took office.

bush was more interested in missile defense and iraq.

 

[Fern]

bullshit.

all of that is bullshit.

bush didn't give 2 fist fulls of fuck all about bin laden

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/22/clarke.bush/

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/

the declassified memo is in the second link.

The only mistake I can find in his post is where he claims the tech bubble burst AFTER Clinton left office. Bill was still in office when it burst.

(Can't comment on his prediction that Hillary will start wars. That requires hindsight.)

Fern

 

[Londo_Jowo]

he left bush a plan and dick clark on how to get him though.

it wasn't his job after bush took office.

bush was more interested in missile defense and iraq.

Yet that doesn't change the fact Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden and chose not to do so.

 

[master_shake_]

Yet that doesn't change the fact Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden and chose not to do so.

i applaud clinton for thinking about collateral damage.

the current administration just kills innocents with predator drones on a daily basis.

 

[Jhhnn]

For which part do you need sources?

All of it.

What's your point?

Fern

What was yours, other than fluffery?

 

[Fern]

All of it.

You can google Loretta Lynch's presser. I don't do vids.


Otherwise:

The FBI is investigating whether computer passwords were shared among Hillary Clinton's close aides to determine how sensitive intelligence "jumped the gap" between the classified systems and Clinton's unsecured personal server, according to an intelligence source familiar with the probe.


Fox News was told there are several potential scenarios for how classified information got onto Clinton’s server:

- Reading intelligence reports or briefings, and then summarizing the findings in emails sent on Clinton's unsecured personal server.

- Accessing the classified intelligence computer network, and then lifting sections by typing them verbatim into a device such as an iPad or BlackBerry.

- Taking pictures of a computer screen to capture the intelligence.

- Using a thumb drive or disk to physically move the intelligence, but this would require access to a data center.

It’s unclear whether Clinton’s former IT specialist Bryan Pagliano, who as first reported by The Washington Post has reached an immunity deal with the Justice Department, or others had sufficient administrator privileges to physically transfer data.

Most of these scenarios would require a password. And all of these practices would be strictly prohibited under non-disclosure agreements signed by Clinton and others, and federal law..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ared-passwords-to-access-classified-info.html

What was yours, other than fluffery?

That the DoJ has become involved.

Previously we've been told by various sources that the FBI would conclude their investigation and then recommend to the DoJ that Hillary be charged or not. But that's not the way this is unfolding.

I'm unaware of any news reports indicating whether or not the FBI (James Comey) has concluded its investigation or made any determination as to its recommendation, yet the DoJ is now involved.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

So actions don't speak louder than words?

That's particularly true of righties when the words are what they want to hear, apparently.

Actions? He lobbed some very expensive missiles at a very empty camp, empty because the Clinton administration had warned one of those present to avoid pissing off the Saudis. A camp at which there was no evidence Bin Laden had in fact ever been at, much less at that time.

he left bush a plan and dick clark on how to get him though.

it wasn't his job after bush took office.

bush was more interested in missile defense and iraq.

I'm sure he left Bush a really great plan that he just didn't have time to implement himself. So many interns, so little time . . .

Yet that doesn't change the fact Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden and chose not to do so.

Yet before 9-11, Bin Laden was not even close to Public Enemy #1. Therefore the acceptable civilians deaths to kill him was very much lower (if not zero) compared to, say, Abu Nidal. That's the same in any war - you'd accept killing a number of civilians as an acceptable price for killing Heinrich Himmler but not, say, Friedrich von Mellinthin. Same cause, different level of villain.

 

[Jhhnn]

You can google Loretta Lynch's presser. I don't do vids.


Otherwise:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ared-passwords-to-access-classified-info.html



That the DoJ has become involved.

Previously we've been told by various sources that the FBI would conclude their investigation and then recommend to the DoJ that Hillary be charged or not. But that's not the way this is unfolding.

I'm unaware of any news reports indicating whether or not the FBI (James Comey) has concluded its investigation or made any determination as to its recommendation, yet the DoJ is now involved.

Fern

As I said- "sources". Fox News anonymous sources, the usual.

Lynch describes DoJ participation-

Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Monday in an interview with Fox News that the Justice Department has no deadline for concluding the Hillary Clinton email investigation and that it’s being handled “like any other review,” even with the presidential election just months away.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...e.html&usg=AFQjCNEfa3M9-uqolexEB2hXYFqEIUiTjA

So it's a review proceeding in a normal fashion. The FBI gathers information & hands it up the chain to the lawyers, as always. What a surprise, huh? What a novel development!

Notice how even Fox can get it right when they actually quote a real person & how people who merely refer to the news can spin it how they want. That would be you, Fern.

 

[Bowfinger]

According to recent reports he's far more correct than you:

- Although not discussed much here, the DoJ has joined with the FBI in this investigation. IIRC, the AG (Loretta Lynch sp?) announced it last week in a presser.

- It has been suggested that the DoJ became involved to provide more investigative tools to the FBI, such as subpoena power etc. It would seem the ability to grant immunity is another 'tool' the DoJ can provide.

- Current news reports, popping up after the grant of immunity was announced, say the FBI is now focusing its attention on how the security gap was 'jumped'. I.e., how did the info get taken from the secure site over to Clinton's private server. So, Jaskalas' post jibes closely with today's news.

Fern

Nope, that's not evidence. I expect you're talking about this "exclusive" Fox story (which is why you didn't cite your source): link.

It is the typical nutter innuendo and speculation from unnamed sources. Instead of statements of fact, they offer the usual insinuation: "whether" passwords were shared, "if" Clinton let others use her account, and a list of "potential scenarios" that all start with the unproven assumption that classified data was copied from classified systems. Is any of it true? We don't know, and the RNC faithful don't care.

Meanwhile, with a handful of exceptions, Clinton's emails have been released, and they're mostly trivial, benign stuff. We don't need Fox and its ilk to spin it, to tell us what to think. We can read for ourselves. Most was forwarded to Clinton by staff. Most of what Clinton sent are simple one- or two- line acknowledgements. There's nothing to support the many claims about all the classified messages Clinton sent.

Yet, there are still those few special emails that were withheld. What's still hidden in those magical messages? The nutters' imaginations run wild. The rest of us will wait for the FBI.

 

[Jaskalas]

Are you trying to make a joke, or do you really believe that? It is completely false based on all information released so far. There has been no evidence any of Clinton's emails were copied from the classified domain.

Of course not, those 2,000+ classified documents magically appeared there on their own.

 

[werepossum]

Of course not, those 2,000+ classified documents magically appeared there on their own.

Those are free range classified documents. What difference does it make if someone put them there or they were just out for a walk?

I suspect they were there because of a hate-filled Internet video.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course not, those 2,000+ classified documents magically appeared there on their own.

Not exactly. They magically became classified after the fact when an army of security pinheads got to wave their big swinging secrecy dicks at each other. More secret is better secret, including their lunch times. My secrets are bigger than your secrets & so forth.

The issue of what's deemed fit for public release is entirely different than what may have leaked from classified systems into normal email. The office of the SoS routinely gathers information from the wild that's later deemed classified. It can be no other way & never has been.

 

[Bowfinger]

Of course not, those 2,000+ classified documents magically appeared there on their own.

Your fallacy is assuming that classified information only exists on classified systems. In fact, "classified" information pops up in all sorts of places: conversations, personal observations, news stories, etc. Did you know that we use armed drones to strike terrorist targets? Congratulations! You know "classified" information, and nobody bridged the gap between a secure system and you. Similarly, if I sent you the NYT article about the drone program, the CIA would assert your mailbox contains a Top Secret document. Asinine? Yes, it is, but that's the way it works.

But most of Clinton's "classified" email wasn't even that juicy. It was routine correspondance from foreign sources. Such correspondance is considered automatically classified, regardless of content. If Angela Merkle sent Clinton a note saying she expected nice weather for her visit, voila! Clinton's "classified" email count just increased by one.

Be clear, I am NOT saying all of Clinton's "classified" emails fall into those categories. The overwhelming majority do, however, as you can verify for yourself if you care to read them. The open question is about the handful that have been wholly withheld. We simply don't know about them.

 

[werepossum]

Your fallacy is assuming that classified information only exists on classified systems. In fact, "classified" information pops up in all sorts of places: conversations, personal observations, news stories, etc. Did you know that we use armed drones to strike terrorist targets? Congratulations! You know "classified" information, and nobody bridged the gap between a secure system and you. Similarly, if I sent you the NYT article about the drone program, the CIA would assert your mailbox contains a Top Secret document. Asinine? Yes, it is, but that's the way it works.

But most of Clinton's "classified" email wasn't even that juicy. It was routine correspondance from foreign sources. Such correspondance is considered automatically classified, regardless of content. If Angela Merkle sent Clinton a note saying she expected nice weather for her visit, voila! Clinton's "classified" email count just increased by one.

Be clear, I am NOT saying all of Clinton's "classified" emails fall into those categories. The overwhelming majority do, however, as you can verify for yourself if you care to read them. The open question is about the handful that have been wholly withheld. We simply don't know about them.

Obviously when Mrs. Clinton became Secretary of State she could not possibly anticipate that foreign heads of state might actually communicate with her. 'Cause convenience.

 

[Bowfinger]

Those are free range classified documents. What difference does it make if someone put them there or they were just out for a walk? ...

Sorry, free range is simply better. It doesn't have all those toxic antibiotics and classification markings.

 

[Bowfinger]

Obviously when Mrs. Clinton became Secretary of State she could not possibly anticipate that foreign heads of state might actually communicate with her. 'Cause convenience.

And as has been explained to you dozens of times, it would be the exact same issue if they sent it to her official State email address. Our outdated classification rules are incompatible with today's reliance on email communications.

 

[werepossum]

Sorry, free range is simply better. It doesn't have all those toxic antibiotics and classification markings.

lol +1

And has been explained to you dozens of times, it would be the exact same issue if they sent it to her official State email address. Our outdated classification rules are incompatible with today's reliance on email communications.

Actually it wouldn't be at all the same thing. Had Mrs. Clinton used the government servers set up for that very purpose, there would be no FBI investigation of her and her staffers. If there was a problem, it would be a systemic problem, not a problem she intentionally created to isolate herself from the Freedom of Information requests that lesser mortals must bear. Violation of classification laws? Not her problem. Classification rules incompatible with today's reliance on email communications? Not her problem.

Every time a powerful leftist gets caught breaking the rules, her followers immediately begin blaming the rules.