Man walks into Kroger with loaded AR15

[Bitek]

Well, to be honest i am carrying not only an ASSAULT rifle but a sidearm as we speak.

OTOH i am in Congo and i bloody well need it.

In the US i may carry it too, seems like a fucking scary place to be.

I'm curious, is the US really a gun driven third world hellhole like the NRA states or is it like any other western nation where carrying a gun is entirely unnecessary (if you are not geo or spidey and need to kill black people real fast for being in your neighbourhood)?

No, its not a scary place unless you are in the deepest of hellholes. Even then most "bad" places are relatively tame compared to the other bad places around the world. Best advice is to be smart and stay away from the crappy places.

 

[blankslate]

Naw man read the Federalist papers and founders words. Intent is clear. Not only self defense but actually taking up arms if govt becomes tyrannical. After all that was from whence they came. regulated meant outfitted in those times and totally changes meaning. Means get outfitted so you can defend you and yours.

Heh, yeah anyone can read the papers from those times and come up with their own interpretations about what the original intents were....

Here's a question why does it say "the security of a free state" instead of the security of a free nation."?

Well, there was a lot of friction still between two different types of states... it's interesting conjecture if you follow up on it.

I appreciate the fun of a saturday of plinking. Every once in a while I like going to shoot with my father using his old model Ruger Blackhawk .357
It's a fine weapon.

However people who are purposefully provocative in a nation where a mere 1% of the population serves in the military, well let's just say they also, imo, run the risk of garnering the same reaction from the average person of someone who burns an American flag.

 

[blankslate]

I'm curious, is the US really a gun driven third world hellhole like the NRA states or is it like any other western nation where carrying a gun is entirely unnecessary (if you are not geo or spidey and need to kill black people real fast for being in your neighbourhood)?

No, if you're in the situation that Spidey likes to describe were you are fending off several intruders armed with assorted firearms intent on murdering you in your home and you need several magazine reloads to kill them then you have done something to get yourself in that situation that you should not have done.

Like being a drug dealer or crossing the mob. Or maybe Korea finally decided to invade America like in the remake of Red Dawn.

If you stay in the safer areas of the country and out of the ghettos then your chances of getting shot for no reason are low... but still higher than other countries.

 

[Cerb]

Now guns are fun, i agree, but as we don't let our kids play with knives

What do they get to play with? Foam blocks? People are very much still kids when they are old enough to be carrying knives on a daily basis.

Why do you think there are so many "illegal" guns in the US? It's because people are retarded and don't lock them up so that any burglary or robbery with an armed citizen ends up with a robber or a burglar that has one more gun.

Except that the stats support it being mostly straw purchases, instead. Some stolen guns get used in crimes, but most get resold as sporting goods to other private parties that have no knowledge of the property having been stolen.

For self defence stopped being valid when it fails most of the time

Got any evidence of that? Most seems to go the other way: that it far outnumbers murders and accidents, and failures are in the minority (though significant enough to keep harping on training and practice).

As to the rest of the pointless character-attacking: you've been eating too much media crap, just as the anti-gun nutters have. To see reality and prepare for it is not fear. To see reality, yet pretend it doesn't exist, and that the government will swoop in really quick and save the day before anything bad happens, is preposterous. The scout's motto, OTOH, is sensible.

I'm curious, is the US really a gun driven third world hellhole like the NRA states or is

Well first, no, it seems D.C., Detroit, and Chicago account for most of that, so some borer cities are doing their best to compete, these days. Second, the NRA is 1st and foremost a mouthpiece for the U.S. arms industry. Everything they say must be taken with a pinch of salt. Third, La Pierre is half crazy, and I'm not sure how he stays being a representative, since half of what he says may as well be, "open mouth, insert foot." They would do well to ditch him...he must have some good material for blackmail or something.

[or is] it like any other western nation where carrying a gun is entirely unnecessary (if you are not geo or spidey and need to kill black people real fast for being in your neighbourhood)?

Well, I don't know. From what I've seen, neither Australia nor the U.K. are places I'd want to be less armed than criminals in. The 'civilized society/nation/culture' argument is usually either backed up by countries with highly homogeneous societies, or unicorns, rainbows, and flying pigs.

However, we do have unnecessarily high income inequality, and the war on drugs, the combination of which has consistently remained volatile. We are not, on the whole, a tranquil society.

 

[Fenixgoon]

lol JoS is full of shit. he's been called out on multiple forums. just another internet toughguy.

i'll edit when i find the links to other forums calling him out.

edit: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33579922&postcount=213

 

[xj0hnx]

Two possible second amendment utilization of guns scenarios:

1. plink, plink, plink that is the sound of your plinkers against a tank while you are bombed and shot into submission, this is the case of the US armed forces defend a government that the people are revolting against.

You don't get it do you? The US Armed Forces are part of the people that would be revolting, as well as members of the government. Our government, and Armed forces are not separate from the citizenry, they are of, and from the citizenry.

You don't live in downtown Kabul, you don't need a firearm for protection and if you are carrying, the chances are better for robber walking away with your firearm than it is for you using it.

No, we don't live in downtown Kabul, but the rest of your statement is simply a bunch of bullshit. There are many, many, many times when privately owned firearms have saved lives, and stopped crimes. Your opinion is of no consequence. You must still be mad ya'll got your ass kicked, and we still have the right to own firearms, and our government can't take that away, don't be jealous.

Are you stupid? Seriously how dumb can you be to spout that nonsense in your first point.

Yes, he is, and a chronic liar. It's funny how many times he has disappeared from threads after having been called out for it.

 

[Cerb]

lol JoS is full of shit. he's been called out on multiple forums. just another internet toughguy.

i'll edit when i find the links to other forums calling him out.

Oh? Please do. This is news to me, at least. ^_^

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No, if you're in the situation that Spidey likes to describe were you are fending off several intruders armed with assorted firearms intent on murdering you in your home and you need several magazine reloads to kill them then you have done something to get yourself in that situation that you should not have done.

Like being a drug dealer or crossing the mob. Or maybe Korea finally decided to invade America like in the remake of Red Dawn.

If you stay in the safer areas of the country and out of the ghettos then your chances of getting shot for no reason are low... but still higher than other countries.

I would urge any American to take a stroll trough Brixton, i lived there for a LOONG time and not once did i feel the need to own a gun, this is the worst place in England, probably the worst place in Europe and definitely worse than Detroit, never been to Philly but from what a good friend told me it is pretty much like that.

Spidey just wants to shoot someone so bad that *i* can feel the itch in *his* trigger finger, he longs for it so much that he can no longer have sex with his wife, he can only cum with a carrot up his arse while being strangled and a gun in his hand.

Geo said that 15% more testosterone makes a difference and yet 150% variance is considered normal when it comes to testosterone. A 15% increase can be had if the subject is interviewed by a sexually attractive person, a 300% increase if it's right after a REAL powerlifting session (squats, deads and bench with max weights, you canget up to 1500% but since it'd take some time and i calculated four hours afterwards according to halflife in the blood i got 300%.

But hey.. it's not racism if you has facts. and guns are absolutely needed because without them who would the illegal gun owners get their guns from.

Fact: You can be a mentally unstable person convictd of a genocide and buy a gun in the US and the seller has NO responsibility.

Fact; File that serial number off, it's illegal to own, it was legal to purchase.

Fact: No one gives a fuck about the 2'nd in reality, everyone knows that fighting the US armed forces would mean death and that if the armed forces were on your side then there would be no one to fight.

Fact: Guns are fun and you want to keep them, i get this, i own several guns and i think it's fun too but i don't whine about having to keep them in a place where my kids or a burglar can't get to them.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You don't get it do you? The US Armed Forces are part of the people that would be revolting, as well as members of the government. Our government, and Armed forces are not separate from the citizenry, they are of, and from the citizenry..

I get it, if the armed forces are on your side, what use would your guns be?

That was my second point, but reading two paragraphs is too hard for poor little dipsheit i assume?

 

[Incorruptible]

I would urge any American to take a stroll trough Brixton, i lived there for a LOONG time and not once did i feel the need to own a gun, this is the worst place in England, probably the worst place in Europe and definitely worse than Detroit, never been to Philly but from what a good friend told me it is pretty much like that.

Spidey just wants to shoot someone so bad that *i* can feel the itch in *his* trigger finger, he longs for it so much that he can no longer have sex with his wife, he can only cum with a carrot up his arse while being strangled and a gun in his hand.

Geo said that 15% more testosterone makes a difference and yet 150% variance is considered normal when it comes to testosterone. A 15% increase can be had if the subject is interviewed by a sexually attractive person, a 300% increase if it's right after a REAL powerlifting session (squats, deads and bench with max weights, you canget up to 1500% but since it'd take some time and i calculated four hours afterwards according to halflife in the blood i got 300%.

But hey.. it's not racism if you has facts. and guns are absolutely needed because without them who would the illegal gun owners get their guns from.

Fact: You can be a mentally unstable person convictd of a genocide and buy a gun in the US and the seller has NO responsibility.

Fact; File that serial number off, it's illegal to own, it was legal to purchase.

Fact: No one gives a fuck about the 2'nd in reality, everyone knows that fighting the US armed forces would mean death and that if the armed forces were on your side then there would be no one to fight.

Fact: Guns are fun and you want to keep them, i get this, i own several guns and i think it's fun too but i don't whine about having to keep them in a place where my kids or a burglar can't get to them.

There definitely are areas in England where the citizens need guns. With all the rape/groom gangs and people being targeted for skin color guns should be legal in England

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

lol JoS is full of shit. he's been called out on multiple forums. just another internet toughguy.

i'll edit when i find the links to other forums calling him out.

Someone on another forum had taken some things i said and applied them there, another person who was also in Kosovo but not in Afghanistan and was a Swede was included in that, another guy who was an Irish Christian was also included in one but not in another...

I can't keep track, all i can say is that i have verification from the mods about my whereabouts and verification of my unit in more place than one.

I do not care for anything but that but if you do then go right head.

All i came in here to do was to post something i thought quite horrible before one of the Holocaust deniers of this forum did the same.

Note that this isn't an excuse of any kind, it's an explanation, if you don't like it, i do not care.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There definitely are areas in England where the citizens need guns. With all the rape/groom gangs and people being targeted for skin color guns should be legal in England

No there are not, the only thing the introduction of guns would do would be that more situations ended in death like it works out in the us.

30K gun deaths, sorry but we're doing much better without that.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Oh? Please do. This is news to me, at least. ^_^

here we go:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33579922&postcount=213

 

[xj0hnx]

I get it, if the armed forces are on your side, what use would your guns be?

That was my second point, but reading two paragraphs is too hard for poor little dipsheit i assume?

Too hard? Yes, it was too hard to read any more of the stupid you pooped out in your post.

 

[momeNt]

Most on-duty cops I know leave their weapons in their vehicles when on lunch. They at least understand that they have no reason to be scaring the shit out of the people they are near.

The fact that a man can't walk around with his dick out of his pants yet can swing his rifle around is what makes this country truly sad.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Too hard? Yes, it was too hard to read any more of the stupid you pooped out in your post.

Yeah, especially since i actually rebuked your point in that post.

2. absolute silence, this is the sound of the armed forces serving the people and forcing the government to step down.

In neither case your guns will matter in the least.

The second amendment is outdated and was dated when handguns were state of the art warfare.

You know this, i know this..

Yet you play the retard that doesn't get this while he full well knows this.

I'm sorry, what do you call the willfully ignorant?

 

[Throckmorton]

This is why OPEN carry shouldn't be legal. To me it's basically the same as brandishing your weapon. The only purpose is to intimidate people. A holstered pistol isn't quite at that level though

 

[Fenixgoon]

Yeah, especially since i actually rebuked your point in that post.

2. absolute silence, this is the sound of the armed forces serving the people and forcing the government to step down.

In neither case your guns will matter in the least.

The second amendment is outdated and was dated when handguns were state of the art warfare.

You know this, i know this..

Yet you play the retard that doesn't get this while he full well knows this.

I'm sorry, what do you call the willfully ignorant?

and the first amendment clearly doesn't apply to the internet because there's no possible way the founding fathers could have thought of such an idea, right? after all, it was drafted when the printing press was state of the art.

the founding fathers recognized that the people have a right to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. that is why the second amendment exists. that is how the revolutionary war was (partly) won. many cannons (artillery pieces!) were privately owned.

 

[Throckmorton]

and the first amendment clearly doesn't apply to the internet because there's no possible way the founding fathers could have thought of such an idea, right? after all, it was drafted when the printing press was state of the art.

the founding fathers recognized that the people have a right to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. that is why the second amendment exists. that is how the revolutionary war was (partly) won. many cannons (artillery pieces!) were privately owned.

How in the hell does open carrying an AR-15 in Kroger relate to defending yourself from a tyrannical government?

 

[Cerb]

No there are not, the only thing the introduction of guns would do would be that more situations ended in death like it works out in the us.

If a person threatens your life or health, why should it matter if it ends in death? Their life is less important than the other person's continued well-being, the instant they make a decision to threaten it.

I'm guessing that part of it is a fundamental and irreconcilable difference in worldview.

P.S. Lumping everyone who isn't Spidey07 or Geosurface in with them is not helping you. That is effectively an ad hominem combined with a strawman. Someone has probably given it a special name, by now, of course...

 

[Throckmorton]

I firmly believe in profiling. If a guy is acting suspicious carrying a rifle in the grocery store, chances are he's a nut job intent on harming other people. Take him out.

 

[emperus]

This is tantamount to domestic terrorism. And for all those who said they would have just went about their business shopping, I got a couple Darwin awards for ya.

 

[Cerb]

This is why OPEN carry shouldn't be legal. To me it's basically the same as brandishing your weapon. The only purpose is to intimidate people. A holstered pistol isn't quite at that level though

I would be all for a federal concealed carry program. Except, of course, that we'd need to fire our current Congress, before anything remotely useful, like that, could be considered. So, United tangled piles of gun laws of America we'll stay, for now.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yeah, especially since i actually rebuked your point in that post.

2. absolute silence, this is the sound of the armed forces serving the people and forcing the government to step down.

In neither case your guns will matter in the least.

The second amendment is outdated and was dated when handguns were state of the art warfare.

You know this, i know this..

Yet you play the retard that doesn't get this while he full well knows this.

I'm sorry, what do you call the willfully ignorant?

You rebuked nothing. If there were a revolution the military that was on the citizens side wouldn't be able to be everywhere, and there would most definitely be a need for the people to be able to defend themselves, either from other forces, or those that would be taking advantage of the situation to steal, and loot in pockets of absence of military forces.

This is tantamount to domestic terrorism. And for all those who sais they would have just went about their business shopping, I got a couple Darwin awards for ya.

There is nothing even remotely close to "domestic terrorism" going on here. He definitely picked the worst way to make his statement, but anyone that calls this "domestic terrorism" is a fucking retard.

 

[Fenixgoon]

How in the hell does open carrying an AR-15 in Kroger relate to defending yourself from a tyrannical government?

im responding to the part about the 2nd amendment beng outdated.

if people were more comfortable with firearms in the US, it wouldn't be a big deal.

as it is, it was legal of this guy to do it, but very stupid.