Man walks into Kroger with loaded AR15

[openwheel]

Meh, I'd rather put a rifle over each shoulder, a pistol on each hip and ankle, a Kevlar helmet on my head and walk into this place of business where you'd supposedly preemptively blow my head off. See exactly how high you stack your bullshit. If this thread's any indication the spectacle would be well worth the trip.

LOL I dare you do that with a Go-Pro and report back. Walk into your local grocery store and see what happens. If you want to come into my work, then you have to take off the helmet cause I would shoot you in the head. However, you wouldn't pass the gate anyway due to local airport police.

 

[Engineer]

These people are doing more harm than good.

Agree 100%.

 

[xj0hnx]

Man with arms in the open, i shoot him, acting like i had to and asking everyone if they are ok because he was going to go berzerk.

9/10 eye witnesses will corroborate my story that he was trying to kill everyone there.

Also, how the fuck do you tell the difference between a psycho getting ready to start shooting in a mall and a psycho trying to make a point about open carry of a semi auto suck15

And you'd go to jail for murder, you are more useless than his demonstration.

 

[openwheel]

We love our freedom to own and carry guns. We just hate these lunatics who are stripping away our rights. I am not referring to liberal (and some conservative) politicians, I am referring to the lunatics defending this guy's action.

 

[klinc]

Switzerland don't have much of a army. Everyone defend what they have and where there are when attacked.

 

[Tom]

So if someone sees a spider and freaks out, did the spider terrorize them?

Fact is the guy did nothing illegal ("terrorizing" is illegal) and was treated as such. He hurt nobody, and that's that. The fact that he had visible capability to hurt someone is irrelevant. I have invisible capability to kill someone at virtually all times by multiple methods, simply by carrying a small knife, a gun, and having some limited martial arts knowledge.

Get over it.

Its not the same thing. For one thing, a ccw is supposed to ensure someone with a concealed weapon is a responsible person.

More than what's required to carry in the open in many states.

Of course the process to get a ccw is inadequate to ensure that, and so is the background check to get any gun.

Carrying an AR-15 in a grocery store is irrational and provocative.

There's good reason to fear someone who would do so. Particularly someone who's in there, leaves, and comes back armed.

Anyone who argues its ok is way outside what the majority thinks about gun rights.

 

[Alex C]

Doing this shit now is just going to draw attention to the fact that it's legal to openly carry firearms in some public places. There's much less support for the right to carry an "assault weapon" in public places than there is for the right to own them; this guy is just weighing down the branch with the already low hanging fruit.

I'm a gun owner and I'd be uncomfortable if somebody showed up to the supermarket or shopping mall with an AR-15. They're large, heavy, and not at all practical to carry around while shopping. Because it's a dumb thing to carry around for no reason, I'd assume the guy had a good reason for toting it about; he either feels like his life is in some serious danger or he plays on shooting the place up. Either way, I don't want to be there.

 

[Zebo]

I'm pretty sure that the U.S., Israel, and Switzerland maybe the only economically-well developed countries that have the relatively lax attitude toward civilian carry of firearms. Australia recently got a bit more strict. However, it's pretty obvious that third world countries have much higher level of income inequality.

Hunting is one thing. Carrying a semi-auto magazine fed rifle modeled after a military weapon into a store for the purposes of making a political statement(?) is another.

People tend to ignore that even the First Amendment has had reasonable regulations on speech for a while yet say that the 2nd Amendment is sacred while ignoring what might have been meant by "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" in the first part of it.

This is especially hard to square with logic if one likes to talk about "original intent"

I for one would not mind having to join a state militia in order to be eligible to own a firearm. Or to have had to serve in the Regular Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard.

Kind of like Starship Troopers for guns "Service guarantees you the right to bear arms."

Naw man read the Federalist papers and founders words. Intent is clear. Not only self defense but actually taking up arms if govt becomes tyrannical. After all that was from whence they came. regulated meant outfitted in those times and totally changes meaning. Means get outfitted so you can defend you and yours.

Im no gun enthusiast have like 4 now - a shotgun for birds a 300 win mag for deer which i stopped hunting cos i feel bad. a full auto m16 just in case and a sig 45 for my store when i carry money home. I still admire folks who defend these civil rights however archaic in modern times. frankly as much they've stripped us and tech advantages pee shooters wont do much against a real tyrannical got with gas, and b2 bombers so it's original intent is only left with man on man self defense which is still noble imo

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Switzerland don't have much of a army. Everyone defend what they have and where there are when attacked.

Would last one day if anyone wanted to invade... no one wants to invade.

They don't care, they spend their money on their people rather than half way around the world trying to keep the corporations happy.

 

[Nebor]

Switzerland don't have much of a army. Everyone defend what they have and where there are when attacked.

Uh... that's not exactly how it works. They muster at an armory (IIRC a few years ago they were no longer issued ammunition to keep with their rifles, they pick it up at the armory) to organize and move out to the designated blocking positions. You can't have your militia just "defend what they have and where they are when attacked" because no one lives at the power plant, the bridges, the water purification plant, etc.

 

[Incorruptible]

So once again you make shit up to make a story suit your personal agenda. You are the worst kind of anti-gun nut job fruitcake, and the kind that makes anyone that would side with you shun you for the loony moron that you are.

Agree, What he is doing is pathetic. If you dont like guns then dont use them, no one is forcing him to use guns

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Uh... that's not exactly how it works. They muster at an armory (IIRC a few years ago they were no longer issued ammunition to keep with their rifles, they pick it up at the armory) to organize and move out to the designated blocking positions. You can't have your militia just "defend what they have and where they are when attacked" because no one lives at the power plant, the bridges, the water purification plant, etc.

They pretty much have none of those areas either apart from the spring wells that make up their entire export industry and they have enough of them to not need a water treatment plant apart from in one town and one city (and even they could survive on the springs).

You, me and Eaglekeeper could stage an invasion and win.

Have you seen their women though? And water as the only drinkable thing coming out of a nation...

Fuck we should invade Scotland instead.

They just don't expect to get invaded and are doing just fine but if the likes of us were the same they'd be drinking lead laced water with cadmium chips in it.

As fucking horrible as we can be, we make sure they can just not care. Same goes for most other itty bitty nations where our wealthiest sends their money, like Monaco, Malta, and so on...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Agree, What he is doing is pathetic. If you dont like guns then dont use them, no one is forcing him to use guns

Which is why murder should be legal, don't like being murdered? Don't get murdered.

It makes little sense to me to have guns in a civilized society apart from hunting.

Especially second amendment arguments make me frown, people cannot possibly be that stupid, can they?

Two possible second amendment utilization of guns scenarios:

1. plink, plink, plink that is the sound of your plinkers against a tank while you are bombed and shot into submission, this is the case of the US armed forces defend a government that the people are revolting against.

2. absolute silence, this is the sound of the armed forces serving the people and forcing the government to step down.

In neither scenario do your privately owned guns make ANY difference.

So just state it like it is, you don't give a fuck about the right to own a gun and where it comes from, you are just a chickenshit little twat that doesn't feel safe without it OR a mature individual that has no problem keeping the active parts of his gun locked in a safe so when he IS burgled they don't make his legally purchased guns into "illegal firearms".

That is another thing that bugs me, 99.999999999999999% of all "illegal firearms" in the US were bought legally. Buy one, file of the serial and voila, you have yourself an illegal fireram, not to be counted as a firearm bought legally used in a crime. you can also be a felon and buy a firearm at a gun show or privately because they don't require background checks or wait periods at all.

Then there is that... Home protection stupidity, even though you're what, five times as likely to accidentally shoot a family member you think "that won't happen to me"? 1 trillion pounds that everyone who actually shot a family member thought that too.

You don't live in downtown Kabul, you don't need a firearm for protection and if you are carrying, the chances are better for robber walking away with your firearm than it is for you using it.

 

[sourn]

Which is why murder should be legal, don't like being murdered? Don't get murdered.

It makes little sense to me to have guns in a civilized society apart from hunting.

Especially second amendment arguments make me frown, people cannot possibly be that stupid, can they?

Two possible second amendment utilization of guns scenarios:

1. plink, plink, plink that is the sound of your plinkers against a tank while you are bombed and shot into submission, this is the case of the US armed forces defend a government that the people are revolting against.

2. absolute silence, this is the sound of the armed forces serving the people and forcing the government to step down.

In neither scenario do your privately owned guns make ANY difference.

So just state it like it is, you don't give a fuck about the right to own a gun and where it comes from, you are just a chickenshit little twat that doesn't feel safe without it OR a mature individual that has no problem keeping the active parts of his gun locked in a safe so when he IS burgled they don't make his legally purchased guns into "illegal firearms".

That is another thing that bugs me, 99.999999999999999% of all "illegal firearms" in the US were bought legally. Buy one, file of the serial and voila, you have yourself an illegal fireram, not to be counted as a firearm bought legally used in a crime. you can also be a felon and buy a firearm at a gun show or privately because they don't require background checks or wait periods at all.

Then there is that... Home protection stupidity, even though you're what, five times as likely to accidentally shoot a family member you think "that won't happen to me"? 1 trillion pounds that everyone who actually shot a family member thought that too.

You don't live in downtown Kabul, you don't need a firearm for protection and if you are carrying, the chances are better for robber walking away with your firearm than it is for you using it.

Are you stupid? Seriously how dumb can you be to spout that nonsense in your first point.

Not all soldiers drive around in a freaking tank derp derp derp. Not to mention it wouldn't come down to winning/losing, but making the fight not worth fighting.

As far of the rest of the shit that came out of your mouth how about we just chop off everybody's arms. Hell we don't need them they cause damn near just as many deaths as assault rifles.

If you're that against guns go move your ass to a different country that doesn't allow them.

Extremist on both sides are freaking retarded.

 

[Engineer]

If you're that against guns go move your ass to a different country that doesn't allow them.

I thought he already was?

Regardless, you have no right to tell him to go anywhere.

 

[Incorruptible]

Which is why murder should be legal, don't like being murdered? Don't get murdered.

It makes little sense to me to have guns in a civilized society apart from hunting.

Especially second amendment arguments make me frown, people cannot possibly be that stupid, can they?

Two possible second amendment utilization of guns scenarios:

1. plink, plink, plink that is the sound of your plinkers against a tank while you are bombed and shot into submission, this is the case of the US armed forces defend a government that the people are revolting against.

2. absolute silence, this is the sound of the armed forces serving the people and forcing the government to step down.

In neither scenario do your privately owned guns make ANY difference.

So just state it like it is, you don't give a fuck about the right to own a gun and where it comes from, you are just a chickenshit little twat that doesn't feel safe without it OR a mature individual that has no problem keeping the active parts of his gun locked in a safe so when he IS burgled they don't make his legally purchased guns into "illegal firearms".

That is another thing that bugs me, 99.999999999999999% of all "illegal firearms" in the US were bought legally. Buy one, file of the serial and voila, you have yourself an illegal fireram, not to be counted as a firearm bought legally used in a crime. you can also be a felon and buy a firearm at a gun show or privately because they don't require background checks or wait periods at all.

Then there is that... Home protection stupidity, even though you're what, five times as likely to accidentally shoot a family member you think "that won't happen to me"? 1 trillion pounds that everyone who actually shot a family member thought that too.

You don't live in downtown Kabul, you don't need a firearm for protection and if you are carrying, the chances are better for robber walking away with your firearm than it is for you using it.

I know I am dealing with a moron who lives in England which is essentially a police state but not everyone is like you.

People carry guns to defend themselves, People use guns to prevent crime and sometimes it just involves brandishing the weapon

 

[Bitek]

If he was 'terrorizing' anyone he would not have been released.

If he was just shopping like a normal person we wouldn't of had 911 called on him and placed into custody. This is in VA also, not San Fran or some other similar place.

These protests are about the dumbest thing gun owners can do. "Hey lets take our machine guns to the mall and grocery store. Acting like a fruitcake or an asshole is a great way to win hearts and minds!"


Its like all the tea party people gave up screaming at crippled people at the Obamcare protests and started thought this was the next best idea.

 

[sigurros81]

Are you stupid? Seriously how dumb can you be to spout that nonsense in your first point.

Not all soldiers drive around in a freaking tank derp derp derp. Not to mention it wouldn't come down to winning/losing, but making the fight not worth fighting.

As far of the rest of the shit that came out of your mouth how about we just chop off everybody's arms. Hell we don't need them they cause damn near just as many deaths as assault rifles.

If you're that against guns go move your ass to a different country that doesn't allow them.

Extremist on both sides are freaking retarded.

:awe::thumbsup:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Are you stupid? Seriously how dumb can you be to spout that nonsense in your first point.

Not all soldiers drive around in a freaking tank derp derp derp. Not to mention it wouldn't come down to winning/losing, but making the fight not worth fighting.

As far of the rest of the shit that came out of your mouth how about we just chop off everybody's arms. Hell we don't need them they cause damn near just as many deaths as assault rifles.

If you're that against guns go move your ass to a different country that doesn't allow them.

Extremist on both sides are freaking retarded.

Well, you are correct, there are thousands of fighter jets and choppers as well as ATG missiles, they would never need any tanks but if they did, plink plink plink.

When the amendment was made handguns were state of the art weapons, there were no tanks or armed vehicles, no airforce, no ATG missiles that could take out an entire revolutionary force within one blink of an eye.

You have to know that you'd be dead before bedtime of the first time of your revolution if you fought against the armed forces of the US? And if they don't then you won't need your plinkers.

the second amendment goes out the window, it's useless unless you have a WELL ARMED militia, that means airforce, navy and army with ALL of the state of the art weapons.

Now guns are fun, i agree, but as we don't let our kids play with knives and most Americans are just fucking retards playing pretend at the range and at home alone we shouldn't let these kids have them without proper precautions.

Why do you think there are so many "illegal" guns in the US? It's because people are retarded and don't lock them up so that any burglary or robbery with an armed citizen ends up with a robber or a burglar that has one more gun.

Pretty much how it always works when they don't shoot each other in the face "by accident" a la cheney or been lying in the couch and shoot their daughter in the gut when she wakes them.

Again, second amendment is a joke unless you can protect yourself from the armed forces and you cannot. For self defence stopped being valid when it fails most of the time but for fun and games where you can play pretend still applies and as i understand it most male gun owners in the US are kind of like spoiled little brats who love their toys and feel like men with them.

 

[Smoblikat]

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/article_42d81e6e-68d9-11e2-afbf-0019bb30f31a.html

WTF is wrong with these gun nuts, they are basically terrorizing people by walking around in public,holding assault weapons. This is really sick, and beyond ridiculous that it isn't illegal. Good for Kroeger for banning this nut case.

Edit: Fine I changed the title, I still say people feared for their lives though.

What exactly did he do wrong?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I know I am dealing with a moron who lives in England which is essentially a police state but not everyone is like you.

People carry guns to defend themselves, People use guns to prevent crime and sometimes it just involves brandishing the weapon

AMERICANS, not people, carry guns because they are chickensheits who are scared of their own shadow.

Oooooh, they are coming to get me but i has a gun...

Wait... what? That isn't what the second amendment is about, is it? In fact the second amendment as written is entirely irrelevant, isn't it?

Well unless you think that a bunch with semi autos can take on ATG missiles, the worlds biggest airforce, navy and Army but if you think that then you don't have much confidence in the armed forces and if you think they'd be on your side then you'd need no arms.

So i say ok, it's cool that you are scared all the time about everyone and everything and need to carry a gun, Americanos are pussies, i get it. But then don't argue irrelevant crap like the second amendment which has nothing to do with that.

 

[klinc]

Uh... that's not exactly how it works. They muster at an armory (IIRC a few years ago they were no longer issued ammunition to keep with their rifles, they pick it up at the armory) to organize and move out to the designated blocking positions. You can't have your militia just "defend what they have and where they are when attacked" because no one lives at the power plant, the bridges, the water purification plant, etc.

so the bridges are always empty, the power plants run themselves and the water purification plant as well?

 

[f1sherman]

Are you stupid? Seriously how dumb can you be to spout that nonsense in your first point.

Not all soldiers drive around in a freaking tank derp derp derp. Not to mention it wouldn't come down to winning/losing, but making the fight not worth fighting.

Right...Like when guns helped you when Wall Street or Fed or Lloyd Blankfein tried to blackmail you.

Oh wait... no.
You got bombed into submission by terrorists and real men who don't need guns to hand you your ass on a platter :whiste:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I thought he already was?

Regardless, you have no right to tell him to go anywhere.

Well, to be honest i am carrying not only an ASSAULT rifle but a sidearm as we speak.

OTOH i am in Congo and i bloody well need it.

In the US i may carry it too, seems like a fucking scary place to be.

I'm curious, is the US really a gun driven third world hellhole like the NRA states or is it like any other western nation where carrying a gun is entirely unnecessary (if you are not geo or spidey and need to kill black people real fast for being in your neighbourhood)?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

so the bridges are always empty, the power plants run themselves and the water purification plant as well?

Spring water isn't PULLED out of the ground, the power plants are driven by water and bridges are not all that needed (you can jump across or swim across within minutes).

Have you SEEN a map of Austria? It's in Europe and i know what you're thinking but no, it's not the capitol of Europe, it's a country and no Europe isn't a country.

No matter what your home shool teacher (also known as your mother and lover) taught you, Europe isn't one country under god who shiver for the American might.