Man walks into Kroger with loaded AR15

[sigurros81]

Perhaps if people didn't have an abject fear of an inanimate object and were provided proper firearms training as part of school curriculum, rather than this irrational hate and fear mongering, it wouldn't be an issue.

Or move somewhere where open carry is against the law.

Stop saying idiotic things. No one is afraid of an AR15, people are more worried about the dumbass that is walking around a grocery store with a loaded AR15. Get it right moran.

I do not support gun control laws, especially the ones being proposed, but I find this guy's action to be pretty dumb, and the people in this thread supporting his support to be even bigger dumbasses than this guy.

 

[mizzou]

this person was irresponsible and is hurting our 2nd amendment rights. nobody did this open carry stuff as far as i know until relatively recent in modern times.

sure its in the books, but it makes no tactical sense

 

[Zebo]

We get it..you guys want to live like shittier 3rd world places where people just carry huge weapons around

U mean like switzerland? ill u a story i was like 7 and in a grocery store in Switzerland and saw like 4 ppl with long arms just shopping. I'm like mom WTF? She's all its shooting festival no biggie dont worry son. We exit store and ppl are walking to park with long arms. Anyway went ended up going to park and whole village starts showing up to shoot. Men women children. asualt rifles and even full automatic weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schützenfest

real third world

 

[Zebo]

And ppl say republicans run on fear...

 

[Zebo]

Except that it's not uncommon in many places to see people walking around with a rifle slung over their shoulder. Especially during hunting seasons.

If you are out hunting and need to visit a store, it's not unusual to walk in with your rifle, rather than leave it out in your vehicle.

You also see rifles mounted in trucks and on ATV's too.

I stopped at a small convenience store in a small town in VA last year. There were probably 6 or 8 guns in view at any one time in the parking lot. No one remarked on it, and no one shot anyone.

My guns were in the back of my Jeep, out of sight and reach.

Most of the residents in the area have a "truck gun" in their pickup or SUV. They will use it to pick off a coyote, or shoot a snake, etc., while they are driving in the woods on their property.

People are quite used to guns in a large part of the country and don't even notice them. They are part of the furniture.

This its only city boys terrified of guns. too much fear tv not enough exposure.

 

[brandonb]

When I was a kid, late teens, I went into a fast food joint with a friend. Someone was open carrying a pistol in a holster on his hip, and he was not a police officer. I remember at the time, I looked it and was confused on why and who this guy was. I sat at the table a few down from him. I guess I was a bit more nervous than I would have been if I did not see the gun. I was a teen who grew up in the cities and never really seen a gun in my life. I did not feel terrorized. But it was only a pistol.

Now that I'm older, I'd have no problem with anybody who did this. In fact, I've done it a few times myself (granted it was concealed within my jacket). Because I'd rather have the gun with me, than in my car where it could be stolen, but if I didn't have a long leather jacket (like in the summer) when I was carrying, people would have seen it.

 

[Cerb]

I know I would have been terrorized if I saw someone walking into the grocery store with a loaded assault rifle, like he plans to gun us all down. I am sure many there felt the same way.

And, so you should. There's just one problem: that's a bad fantasy of yours.

Did he walk into a grocery store with an assault rifle? No.

Did he act like he wanted to gun anybody down? No. One witness to that effect and he would be in jail, right now.

You, and others like you, choose to remain living in fear. You can choose to change that. But, first, you have to admit to yourself that the fear is irrational. Since you don't notice that, hoplophobia is not technically a phobia, but for practical purposes, it's a good term.


Now, that said, I think that if someone wants to make such a point, they should a) not do it alone, and b) notify police (a scared person calls 911, and the guy or guys sent down there don't have a clue what's going on). It is unusual enough that they should expect and prepare for some negative reactions.

Walking in once without a gun, and then coming right back with one, was stupid, and should have rightfully set off alarms in some peoples' minds. It may not have been malicious, on one hand, and the gun might not have been safely stored in the car, but if he was going to come in with it, he should have come in the first time, and not left the store until don't shopping.

 

[Zebo]

this person was irresponsible and is hurting our 2nd amendment rights. nobody did this open carry stuff as far as i know until relatively recent in modern times.

sure its in the books, but it makes no tactical sense

In the short term and low numbers sure because ppl run on fear. Like seeing Trevon Martin in your white hood for some white folks caused some ppl to overreact. Point is with these activists if more would do it would become a common site and ppl would learn nothing to fear despite all thier preconceptions and bias.

 

[Pantoot]

Walking in once without a gun, and then coming right back with one, was stupid, and should have rightfully set off alarms in some peoples' minds. It may not have been malicious, on one hand, and the gun might not have been safely stored in the car, but if he was going to come in with it, he should have come in the first time, and not left the store until don't shopping.

In some places you are prohibited from carrying a weapon anywhere that has signs saying no firearms. Maybe he just went up to look for a sign?

 

[Cerb]

In some places you are prohibited from carrying a weapon anywhere that has signs saying no firearms. Maybe he just went up to look for a sign?

Maybe, but even if so, he should have gone to look for the sign, then not put the gun back in his car.

We don't have a reason at this point in time, for why he did it; so I don't want to attempt such a degree of speculation. However, reactions of others should be a consideration[, even if showing negative reactions of exercising one's rights is the objective].

The argument that guns don't serve any purpose in our society because it's so different than 200+ years ago don't hold water, compared to evidence of violence, defensive use of firearms, etc., but we are indeed different than centuries ago, and the common views and possible reactions need to be taken into account. Even exercising a perfectly legal right, at the moment, someone will more or less need to be on their mental tip-toes.

 

[blankslate]

U mean like switzerland? ill u a story i was like 7 and in a grocery store in Switzerland and saw like 4 ppl with long arms just shopping. I'm like mom WTF? She's all its shooting festival no biggie dont worry son. We exit store and ppl are walking to park with long arms.

Anyway went ended up going to park and whole village starts showing up to shoot. Men women children. asualt rifles and even full automatic weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%BCtzenfest real third world

That's the thing. In Switzerland every able bodied male does a stint in their military afaik. Therefore at a significant majority the males in their population becomes familiar with firearms.

In the U.S. less than 1% of people serve in the military now in the past 10 years or so.

That explains a lot, like how a person who walks into a store walks out and returns with a semi-auto magazine fed rifle can be alarming.

Additionally Switzerland has a noticeably lower instance of Income Inequality when compared to the U.S.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html
^this link to a TED talk provides interesting data that definitely hints at a direct relationship between income inequality and societal ills (homicide, teen pregnancy, mental illness) amongst the wealthy economically developed nations.

How many mass shootings have taken place in Switzerland? Much less in a dozen years than the U.S. has had in less than a 12 month period of time that's for sure. After two horrifying mass shootings in the space of 10 months people start showing up in stores with rifles?

Nice keep on being provocative much like the clueless idiot who thinks he's making a valid political point by burning a U.S. flag.

This country does not deserve to have its flag burned, even though some of our politicians are intent on harming it with their idiocy without knowing that they are doing so.

Yes both political parties won't address the real issues of a problem because any attempt to do so is torpedoed by the fundies of either party.

However bringing up Switzerland by comparison to the U.S. isn't really enlightening without looking at real differences in military service and economic realities between the two countries.

 

[blankslate]

Unless one is in Vermont people would be spooked and thats understandable. As someone said because a thing can be done doesn't mean it should. Nevertheless gun owners rightly do not trust the government so there's a sense that a stand needs to be taken, and this is a way to give a finger. Maybe not the best, but thats what these things are about, like flag burnings of yesteryear.

Sorry but I still trust the government more than the judgment of someone who cannot see the blow-back they might incur by walking into a store walking out then returning with a rifle or by burning a flag.

They are not thinking things through and may hurt their cause more than help it. In short clueless people that most would probably not want in a supervisory position at work or around you when you're shooting at the range or even just as an acquaintance.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Let me see, man leaves store and returns bearing a loaded auto rifle.

A:Anti-gun control protester.

B:Copy-cat spree killer wanna-be trying to workup the nerve.

I'll go with B.

 

[blankslate]

Let me see, man leaves store and returns bearing a loaded auto rifle.

It was a semi-auto rifle. It's an easy mistake to make if you're not really familiar with guns but once you have made that mistake it'll be used against you buy the nuttier of firearm advocates to try to invalidate your opinion.

Just a heads up.

 

[xj0hnx]

Let me see, man leaves store and returns bearing a loaded auto rifle.

A:Anti-gun control protester.

B:Copy-cat spree killer wanna-be trying to workup the nerve.

I'll go with B.

Would you also stereotype a group of young black men the same way?

 

[WHAMPOM]

It was a semi-auto rifle. It's an easy mistake to make if you're not really familiar with guns but once you have made that mistake it'll be used against you buy the nuttier of firearm advocates to try to invalidate your opinion.

Just a heads up.

If I had meant to say full-auto I would have, don't put your words in my mouth.
Auto is the generic.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sorry but I still trust the government more than the judgment of someone who cannot see the blow-back they might incur by walking into a store walking out then returning with a rifle or by burning a flag.

They are not thinking things through and may hurt their cause more than help it. In short clueless people that most would probably not want in a supervisory position at work or around you when you're shooting at the range or even just as an acquaintance.

My post was an explanation, not endorsement. No matter. Any dichotomy would be false.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Would you also stereotype a group of young black men the same way?

Don't see many mass murder/suicides by groups of young black men, by young white single men,shit they have that market cornered.

 

[blankslate]

If I had meant to say full-auto I would have, don't put your words in my mouth. Auto is the generic.

Ok, whatever...

But technically it's a semi-auto, there is a difference between semi-auto and auto. (automatic). Although if the person is pulling the trigger fast enough the effect on the target isn't much different I suppose.

The hostility in your response however doesn't really bode well for a reasonable dialogue. /shrug.

 

[Zebo]

Blankslate i only brought up switzerland because gun banners claimed you need to move to a third world shit hole if you want guns trotted around. Sure poverty and dispair is an issue here causing much crime doesnt change fact they are factually wrong. Heck even in USA in rural areas guns were a common site. I was in HS in the 1980s before all these school shootings and during deer season many trucks in the HS parking lot would have guns in rack ready to get a little hunting in after school.

 

[xj0hnx]

Don't see many mass murder/suicides by groups of young black men, by young white single men,shit they have that market cornered.

I didn't say would you apply the same stereotype, but I am sure if you thought hard enough you could come up with a common stereotype you could apply.

 

[blankslate]

Blankslate i only brought up switzerland because gun banners claimed you need to move to a third world shit hole if you want guns trotted around.

I'm pretty sure that the U.S., Israel, and Switzerland maybe the only economically-well developed countries that have the relatively lax attitude toward civilian carry of firearms. Australia recently got a bit more strict. However, it's pretty obvious that third world countries have much higher level of income inequality.

Hunting is one thing. Carrying a semi-auto magazine fed rifle modeled after a military weapon into a store for the purposes of making a political statement(?) is another.

People tend to ignore that even the First Amendment has had reasonable regulations on speech for a while yet say that the 2nd Amendment is sacred while ignoring what might have been meant by "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" in the first part of it.

This is especially hard to square with logic if one likes to talk about "original intent"

I for one would not mind having to join a state militia in order to be eligible to own a firearm. Or to have had to serve in the Regular Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard.

Kind of like Starship Troopers for guns "Service guarantees you the right to bear arms."

 

[Engineer]

Attention whoring douchebag.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/article_42d81e6e-68d9-11e2-afbf-0019bb30f31a.html

WTF is wrong with these gun nuts, they are basically terrorizing people by walking around in public,holding assault weapons. This is really sick, and beyond ridiculous that it isn't illegal. Good for Kroeger for banning this nut case.

Edit: Fine I changed the title, I still say people feared for their lives though.

Man with arms in the open, i shoot him, acting like i had to and asking everyone if they are ok because he was going to go berzerk.

9/10 eye witnesses will corroborate my story that he was trying to kill everyone there.

Also, how the fuck do you tell the difference between a psycho getting ready to start shooting in a mall and a psycho trying to make a point about open carry of a semi auto suck15

 

[klinc]

Because in the current times we live in it's assumed that nobody is going to be carrying a rifle into the grocery store. It's common sense.

We're not living in post apocalyptic times just yet...

well you can't even watch a movie with some crazy nut running in and mowing down people. Of course people are going to start walking around with guns. Who can you trust these days?