highland145
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No shit. Your blue state bastards stay the eff away.I'd rather not be surrounded by people dumber than a box of rocks than have more money.
No shit. Your blue state bastards stay the eff away.I'd rather not be surrounded by people dumber than a box of rocks than have more money.
Fundamentally, it's a supply and demand problem.
Get local busybodies out of the way by limiting local control, end exclusionary zoning, and let people build more housing on their properties by right.
So many areas and future residents would benefit if people could even put up duplexes to quadplexes on their properties.
I was curious how much of that was just straight inflation. Looks like around $30k. No point other than I was curious, looked it up, hit mutiquote and typed this outSame experience here in Chicago. About 8 years ago I was able to find some nice places where I lived around $150k. Now those same places are going for $250k.
So blue states and the fleas are coming South after fucking up their own shit.
Imagine that.🙄
So blue states and the fleas are coming South after fucking up their own shit.
Imagine that.
I'm moving next to @IronWing. We might not agree on politics but we do on nature and rocks.
You could move next to me.don't worry about me, i ain't coming south of i-70!
i have found about 500 ancestors in my family tree going back to the 1650s, and not a single one in the US has ever lived south of latitude 40
i don't want to break the streak
So if you buy in an area, nothing can change. I mean it's not like the country changes, population changes, work situations change (see Covid), commerce changes (online retail), I mean it goes on. How can municipalities adjust? They can't according to your logic.I didn't force anything on anybody. They knew what they were buying when they bought it. Now they want to change the rules to the detriment of the rest of the neighborhood so they can grab a little cash.
A neighborhood poet would be nice. Brian could put into words our feelings about junk cars in the front yard.You could move next to me.
Naw, no junkers, the bodies on the floor.A neighborhood poet would be nice. Brian could put into words our feelings about junk cars in the front yard.
How about when the voters vote for the change? The burn-the-village folks hate that the voters generally don’t support their schemes and therefore try to move these decisions to whichever level of government where the developers hold the most sway, voters be damned. The greed of the pre-growth lobby is insatiable.So if you buy in an area, nothing can change. I mean it's not like the country changes, population changes, work situations change (see Covid), commerce changes (online retail), I mean it goes on.
When is it ok for a population to adjust?
Let me guess. As long as it doesn't change a damn thing near you.
Terrible ideology.
Residing in housing is a contract between "The Authority" and "The Resident". "The Authority" sells the space to "The Resident" with the expectation that "The Resident" funds "The Authority". Building more housing will house "Residents" willing to play by "The Authority's" rule and rules.Building more housing will house more people and that is a bad thing. That's all this says.
I didn't force anything on anybody. They knew what they were buying when they bought it. Now they want to change the rules to the detriment of the rest of the neighborhood so they can grab a little cash.
How about when the voters vote for the change? The burn-the-village folks hate that the voters generally don’t support their schemes and therefore try to move these decisions to whichever level of government where the developers hold the most sway, voters be damned. The greed of the pre-growth lobby is insatiable.
This is why you need smart, planned density. Not like here where the little density we do have is shotgunned all over the fucking place.
The other problem is most American prefer single family homes, which do not lend themselves to public transportation at all. Even stilling, if cities would develop with high density commercial and residential districts, PT could be done, even with large amounts of single family homes in other districts.
You pulled that out of your ass. Nowhere in my posting history will you find opposition to public transportation. You are desperately trying to rationalize screwing over current residents in favor of hypothetical future residents and, incidentally, greedy people who will make a quick buck on up-zoning.Being against public transport, just another symptom.
You pulled that out of your ass. Nowhere in my posting history will you find opposition to public transportation. You are desperately trying to rationalize screwing over current residents in favor of hypothetical future residents and, incidentally, greedy people who will make a quick buck on up-zoning.
So developers are making population growth happen and making people want to live with affordable places near amenities like schools, hospitals, doctors, infrastructure, transportation, shopping and jobs?
That's pretty nefarious of them.
Burn the village lol You are hilarious.
You have proved in zero ways that a tiny bit of upzoning would be detrimental to neighborhoods, or in your words, destroy them.
I posted this before and you didn't address it. Minneapolis is just slightly allowing upzoning in single family areas, let's make a wager, will it be destroyed in 5 years?
How Minneapolis Freed Itself From the Stranglehold of Single-Family Homes
Desperate to build more housing, the city just rewrote its decades-old zoning rules.www.politico.com
Willing to bet? Donation to a charity of something symbolic. A hundred bucks.
Play that violin! You want a multi-family unit, move where they are zoned. Otherwise, live with the person in a single family unit.It's amazing. If your parents get old and frail or lonely, or a family member needs help, one can't even make a little private second home/unit for them on your property as it breaks zoning laws. And people are cool with this.
I'm a believer in zoning, but with real planning. I don't have an issue with up zoning an area with a plan. I don't think people should have unlimited rights to do whatever they want on "their land," especially without a central plan. That is a big part of why we are in this mess, we basically let development happen however someone wanted to do it with no planning or forethought.You are correct. And for the people that like single family homes, well, don't move out of one then. And if that person next to you, gasp, turns their one family into a two family, then move before the neighborhood is destroyed, which could happen any minute.
No you are under no obligation at all. But it helps make your points look ludicrous when you refuse to address them. Time after time.Play that violin! You want a multi-family unit, move where they are zoned. Otherwise, live with the person in a single family unit.
Also, I am under no obligation to address any particular point you might choose to raise.
Planning is essential. Infrastructure must be able to work with increased density, etc... And the surrounding areas.I'm a believer in zoning, but with real planning. I don't have an issue with up zoning an area with a plan. I don't think people should have unlimited rights to do whatever they want on "their land," especially without a central plan. That is a big part of why we are in this mess, we basically let development happen however someone wanted to do it with no planning or forethought.
Wasn't there a documentary in the 1980's about this. I think it was called Poltergeist or something.We should start building over golf courses and cemeteries. Those are massive wastes of land that could be used for housing and other stuff that matters, like foot massage places.
Just checked in our area...same floor plan, same neighborhood as our house, sold for $100k more than we bought in 2018 We also added a pool...so there's that as well.
Dear God.
Around here there is also the problem that most of the new construction is targeted towards the more affluent.
I'm branching out.Last I checked porcupines don't need loan sharks.
I agree a lot of people have no nuance. Just like the people claiming "Your neighbor should be able to do whatever they want with 'their' property."Planning is essential. Infrastructure must be able to work with increased density, etc... And the surrounding areas.
But what you have, as we see here, are NIMBYs that won't address a damn thing except say 'destruction' 'you will kill nature and rocks' 'development must mean we destroy iconic parks' 'stay off my lawn and do with yours what I say just because what you might do might piss me off' 'who cares if the world changes' 'developers are making people want to live near stuff'
They have no nuance to their positions at all, no malleability. Pure ideological nimbyism and nothing more.