Man sentenced to 13 years for tricking girlfriend into taking abortion pill

[TheSiege]

Shows how tilted parental rights are.

Mother can abort the child with no considerations given to what the father wants.

Father aborts the child that everyone is upset.




How can you justify prison for someone excising their right to decide if they want to be a parent?

Maybe because women are the only ones that get to decide if they want to be a parent?

What about this whole equal rights thing?

He got charged with Mail fraud and Product tampering causing bodily harm not murder.

Read the article before you troll

 

[Londo_Jowo]

He got charged with Mail fraud and Product tampering causing bodily harm not murder.

Read the article before you troll

Doesn't help when the title of the thread is not what occurred and blindly follows the media's sensationalism/creating a false narrative.

 

[CLite]

And I feel like the woman already has a pretty good parachute to get out of that bad choice after making it, in the form of being able to put the kid up for adoption.

A woman can't put a child up for adoption without the father's consent. The father can keep the child and take the mother to court to pay for child care if the mother is trying to give up the child.

 

[SlickSnake]

He got charged with Mail fraud and Product tampering causing bodily harm not murder.

Read the article before you troll

And why did he do it? The "charges" were an attempt to squeeze out a larger conviction for the abortion he caused against her will. Had that abortion not happened, the "charges" would not have been applied, right?

 

[TheSiege]

Even that was not enough of a parachute. So many women were murdering their newborns that society went and added an extra special parachute so they could just dump the baby at a hospital no questions asked.

What does it say about society where expecting women not to murder their newborns is considered to be an undue burden, but expecting men to pay child support for 18 years is totally reasonable.

If you dont want to pay child support, dont fuck. Both men and women know the outcomes of sex and what rights they do and dont have. Fair or not, they both know. Men know that they could pay for childsupport for 18 years. Women know that they might get pregnant. LIFE ISN'T FAIR, if you dont want to deal with that shit, stop having sex outside of marriage.

 

[TheSiege]

Doesn't help when the title of the thread is not what occurred and blindly follows the media's sensationalism/creating a false narrative.

Don't justify his ignorance of not reading the article. If you want to debate something, at least know the facts first.

 

[TheSiege]

And why did he do it? The "charges" were an attempt to squeeze out a larger conviction for the abortion he caused against her will. Had that abortion not happened, the "charges" would not have been applied, right?

I don't know, I am not the prosecutor. He still broke the law regardless of intent or outcome.

 

[nehalem256]

If you dont want to pay child support, dont fuck. Both men and women know the outcomes of sex and what rights they do and dont have. Fair or not, they both know. Men know that they could pay for childsupport for 18 years. Women know that they might get pregnant. LIFE ISN'T FAIR, if you dont want to deal with that shit, stop having sex outside of marriage.

Its funny that what you are saying is pretty much verbatim what radical conservative Republicans say to women about abortion.

If you dont want to carry a child to term, dont fuck.

So by liberals own logic they are engaged in a War on Men.

 

[classy]

I feel like maybe his sentence should have been the same as what she would've gotten if she'd aborted his child without his permission... which would be nothing.

Nah actually I realize that the fact that it was her body and he surreptitiously put a chemical into her body she didn't concede to, and which is also a fairly serious chemical which could have harmed her. I agree that changes the situation.

But a society that permits abortion getting this upset at him seems a little out of whack. 13 years seems out of whack.

I feel like he should've gotten maybe 1 year? maximum 4 years? 13 is just out of control for this.

I find myself sadly, lol, agreeing with you here as well. Its a double standard. If the woman can abort the child without the consent of the father then the father should have the same rights. Or the woman should bear the full responsibility on her own. Now I believe clearly it depends on the circumstances. He should go to jail for his assault on her, but if this is murder of the child, then it should be murder of the child in all cases. I don't think his sentence is legal.

 

[TheSiege]

Its funny that what you are saying is pretty much verbatim what radical conservative Republicans say to women about abortion.

If you dont want to carry a child to term, dont fuck.

So by liberals own logic they are engaged in a War on Men.

I know, and I knew that writing that, the difference is, abortion is legal, poisoning someone is not.

 

[TheSiege]

I find myself sadly, lol, agreeing with you here as well. Its a double standard. If the woman can abort the child without the consent of the father then the father should have the same rights. Or the woman should bear the full responsibility on her own. Now I believe clearly it depends on the circumstances. He should go to jail for his assault on her, but if this is murder of the child, then it should be murder of the child in all cases. I don't think his sentence is legal.

Being charged with something doesn't mean you will be found guilty, anyone can be charged with anything. I will concede that unless a state has made abortion illegal and seen as murder, then a mans action shouldn't result in a murder CONVICTION. With that being said crimes were committed, and really, until us men are host to these parasites, we have to accept that women have more rights when it comes to what happen to their bodies, and rightfully so.

 

[nehalem256]

I know, and I knew that writing that, the difference is, abortion is legal, poisoning someone is not.

And by liberals own logic the poisoning is a result of not giving men the legal ability to terminate their parental rights.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Misoprostol cannot cease fetal heart activity. From the limited information in the article (I assume what she meant was her CRL was 8.3mm) the pregnancy was non-viable anyway.

 

[TheSiege]

And by liberals own logic the poisoning is a result of not giving men the legal ability to terminate their parental rights.

He has no parental rights until he is a parent, why is this so hard to comprehend? He is a parent the day the fetus becomes a baby and is birthed. Until then, all he is, is someone who took part in creating a parasite in a woman who now has to play host.

 

[Jaskalas]

If this is murder then abortion is murder.

I hold the two acts in equal regard.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I know, and I knew that writing that, the difference is, abortion is legal, poisoning someone is not.

Sorry, giving someone misoprostol the way this guy did, is not poisoning them. Regardless of whether he actually induced the abortion, whether the pregnancy was or was not viable, he didn't poison her.

Nor did he poison the baby, if that's where you think I'm going.

 

[TreVader]

So, abortion is murder?

Oh and somebody should explain to her that milligrams is a unit of measurement of weight.

No its not. And no it's not a unit of weight, it's a unit of mass. There's a difference.

 

[TheSiege]

Sorry, giving someone misoprostol the way this guy did, is not poisoning them. Regardless of whether he actually induced the abortion, whether the pregnancy was or was not viable, he didn't poison her.

Nor did he poison the baby, if that's where you think I'm going.

I really hate to argue semantics but....

poision - a substance that, when introduced into or absorbed by a living organism, causes death or injury, esp. one that kills by rapid action even in a small quantity.

misoprostol - Misoprostol is a prostaglandin medicine used to terminate a pregnancy by starting labor.

Pretty sure labor causes injury in a woman.

 

[nehalem256]

He has no parental rights until he is a parent, why is this so hard to comprehend? He is a parent the day the fetus becomes a baby and is birthed. Until then, all he is, is someone who took part in creating a parasite in a woman who now has to play host.

Why is a man responsible for something that comes out of a woman's body?

 

[BUnit1701]

Shows how tilted parental rights are.

Mother can abort the child with no considerations given to what the father wants.

Father aborts the child that everyone is upset.




How can you justify prison for someone excising their right to decide if they want to be a parent?

Maybe because women are the only ones that get to decide if they want to be a parent?

What about this whole equal rights thing?

Some animals are more equal than others.

 

[TreVader]

And by liberals own logic the poisoning is a result of not giving men the legal ability to terminate their parental rights.

I would think this would present quite the quandary for you, no? I mean your hate for women probably makes poisoning them sound like a great idea, but your love for fetuses makes you beholden to forcing women to keep them to full term. Too bad this time you can't have your cake and eat it too.




The guy shouldn't have tricked her into taking the pill. He doesn't deserve 13 years for it... maybe a month. Drugging your SO isn't the way to go.

 

[nehalem256]

I really hate to argue semantics but....

poision - a substance that, when introduced into or absorbed by a living organism, causes death or injury, esp. one that kills by rapid action even in a small quantity.

misoprostol - Misoprostol is a prostaglandin medicine used to terminate a pregnancy by starting labor.

Pretty sure labor causes injury in a woman.

How is a drug that ejects a parasite from a woman's body a poison?

Seems like he is doing her a favor.

 

[TheSiege]

How is a drug that ejects a parasite from a woman's body a poison?

Seems like he is doing her a favor.

lol, taken out of context it seems like he did helped her. Either way, call it what you want, he did something illegal, and he was federally charged. He got what he deserved.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I really hate to argue semantics but....

poision - a substance that, when introduced into or absorbed by a living organism, causes death or injury, esp. one that kills by rapid action even in a small quantity.

misoprostol - Misoprostol is a prostaglandin medicine used to terminate a pregnancy by starting labor.

Pretty sure labor causes injury in a woman.

Misoprostol inducing labour is not poisoning the mother. If that were the case, every single mother in the history of the world has been poisoned, since misoprostol is an analogue of prostaglandins naturally produced by the body.

Also, if you give only misoprostol in a termination, the baby will be born alive. Unless, as I said before, it already died. Standard procedure is to also give methotrexate so the fetus dies.

lol, taken out of context it seems like he did helped her. Either way, call it what you want, he did something illegal, and he was federally charged. He got what he deserved.

Of course he did something illegal. What he didn't do was kill the baby (since it may have already demised going from the ultrasound she got), or poison the mother.

 

[theeedude]

This illuminates an absurd contradiction in the pro-choice movement. On the one hand she can kill her fetus because it is a worthless bag of cells but if he does it he gets murder. Is that fetus a person of not? Only if mom says it is?

There are many states in which it is okay to abort because the fetus is worthless shit and yet if you kill a pregnant mom you get double homicide. It is grossly obscene this double standard.

I don't think he should have gotten murder, but assault. The homicide for fetuses laws are largely driven by pro-lifers, not pro-choice movement, so there is no contradiction.