Man reading these boards makes me feel like a bum

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
you are where you are in life as a result of the choices you've made.

That sounds pretty, and is in part true, but not nearly as often as we think, as you're forgetting that this is a shared reality.

For example, when acemcmac got killed by a drunk driver, that was not the result of any choice he made.
When the driver, Anthony Torsell, got sentenced to more than 5 years in prison for that crime, that was the result of the choices he'd made.

See how this works?

Humans were not given the choice to be immortal. Long enough time line the survival rate for everyone is 0. Thanks for stating the obvious. But where you are HERE AND NOW is still a result of your choice. How you do die is not always your choice. Tornado, lighting, snipers, carjacking, cancer, ebola, blah blah balh

Like i said there are exceptions but this typically applies. North Korean'rs are basically stuck where they are as another example. They have had there freedom of choice taken away.

And where Richard Smith aka acemcmac in the right HERE AND NOW is dead and in the grave at the age of 21, through no choice of his own whatsoever. Discussion of humans not being given the choice to be immortal has shit to do with that. Or else how do you explain his fellow victim, Aaron Stidd, who permanently bed-ridden with severe brain damage?

What I said is that this is a shared reality. Your choices affect my choices and vice versa. That is the obvious that I stated that you are ignoring, and to which there are no exceptions, the oppressed people of NK are merely an extreme example.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
You misinterpret support structure, I am not at all referring to social welfare programs. I am staunchly against those. I was referring to child that doesn't have a family or a real home growing up..... Where they are essentially raised by the streets.

Where is the family? Where are the mom and dad? Where are the relatives? Who fault is that?

Dead, Jail, Crackhead who knows.....does it really matter? Doesn't change the fact that the cycle will continue.....thats the point of it being a trap? get it yet?

Nobody needs to overtly put a gun to anyones head. The people will be kept stupid with failing schools, therefore unemployed as a result. They will infuse neighborhoods with every vice imaginable to maintain a constant state of self destruction. Then they will impost laws and penalties to insure that entire generations are locked behind bars or forever in out of jail because they can't get jobs because they have police records. Who needs a gun to your head when you have legislative and budgetary control.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
you are where you are in life as a result of the choices you've made.

That sounds pretty, and is in part true, but not nearly as often as we think, as you're forgetting that this is a shared reality.

For example, when acemcmac got killed by a drunk driver, that was not the result of any choice he made.
When the driver, Anthony Torsell, got sentenced to more than 5 years in prison for that crime, that was the result of the choices he'd made.

See how this works?

Humans were not given the choice to be immortal. Long enough time line the survival rate for everyone is 0. Thanks for stating the obvious. But where you are HERE AND NOW is still a result of your choice. How you do die is not always your choice. Tornado, lighting, snipers, carjacking, cancer, ebola, blah blah balh

Like i said there are exceptions but this typically applies. North Korean'rs are basically stuck where they are as another example. They have had there freedom of choice taken away.

And where Richard Smith aka acemcmac is right HERE AND NOW is dead and in the grave at the age of 21, through no choice of his own whatsoever. Discussion of humans not being given the choice to be immortal has shit to do with that.

What I said is that this is a shared reality. Your choices affect my choices and vice versa. That is the obvious that I stated that you are ignoring, and to which there are no exceptions, the oppressed people of NK are merely an extreme example.

Vic, your overlooking the point that nobody has a choice for when and how they will die aside from perhaps those that commit suicide successfully.

I do agree there are consequences for everything and sometimes they impact others in a good or a bad way.

How extreme is it when social or economic oppression exists in every third world country and even right here in American ghettos where you would swear you were actually in a 3rd world country by the looks of things.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Vic, your overlooking the point that nobody has a choice for when and how they will day aside from perhaps those that commit suicide successfully.

I do agree there are consequences for everything and sometimes they impact others in a good or a bad way.

How extreme is it when social or economic oppression exists in every third world country and even right here in American ghettos where you would swear you were actually in a 3rd world country by the looks of things.

Please don't be a tool and play the stupid card again, ok? I had enough of that from you for a lifetime with that Craigslist hoax ad thread.

The severity of the consequence (like death, for example) has absolutely shit to do with the existence of the consequences themselves. This isn't about not being given the ability to pick the time and place of one's own death.
Or, from my edit above, how else do you explain his fellow victim, Aaron Stidd, who is permanently bed-ridden with severe brain damage? One moment he's crossing the street, the next he'll never talk or walk again. What life choice fsck up did he make there?
What about people (presumably in history) that were sold into a life of slavery?
What about those who were born with serious disabilities? Do you tell retards that their retardation is the result of their life choices?
And so on. We are the result of our life choices, but only within the confines of the choices that others force on us.

A lot of those American ghettos look like 3rd world countries because we and our government made them that way. And if the same things had happened to your parents and grandparents (and so on) as happened to theirs, you'd likely be in the same place. That's how extreme the social and economic was/is.
Being a mortgage professional, my favorite example of this is depression-era/post-war FHA lending. While blacks (eventually) got their little welfare checks to keep them in the ghettos, your parents or grandparents were getting government-subsidized low-down super-low interest mortgages to buy homes out in the suburbs (my dad got 3.9% in '64 on a 0% down VA), while a government-endorsed practice known as redlining prevented minorities from doing the same.
Hence, our third-world ghettos.

 

[jonks]

Can't you guys just resurrect the Alicia Keys thread from 2 weeks ago?

 

[Gothgar]

oh man... lots of lawl in this thread.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Vic, your overlooking the point that nobody has a choice for when and how they will day aside from perhaps those that commit suicide successfully.

I do agree there are consequences for everything and sometimes they impact others in a good or a bad way.

How extreme is it when social or economic oppression exists in every third world country and even right here in American ghettos where you would swear you were actually in a 3rd world country by the looks of things.

Please don't be a tool and play the stupid card again, ok? I had enough of that from you for a lifetime with that Craigslist hoax ad thread.

The severity of the consequence (like death, for example) has absolutely shit to do with the existence of the consequences themselves. This isn't about not being given the ability to pick the time and place of one's own death.
Or, from my edit above, how else do you explain his fellow victim, Aaron Stidd, who is permanently bed-ridden with severe brain damage? One moment he's crossing the street, the next he'll never talk or walk again. What life choice fsck up did he make there?
What about people (presumably in history) that were sold into a life of slavery?
What about those who were born with serious disabilities? Do you tell retards that their retardation is the result of their life choices?
And so on. We are the result of our life choices, but only within the confines of the choices that others force on us.

A lot of those American ghettos look like 3rd world countries because we and our government made them that way. And if the same things had happened to your parents and grandparents (and so on) as happened to theirs, you'd likely be in the same place. That's how extreme the social and economic was/is.
Being a mortgage professional, my favorite example of this is depression-era/post-war FHA lending. While blacks (eventually) got their little welfare checks to keep them in the ghettos, your parents or grandparents were getting government-subsidized low-down super-low interest mortgages to buy homes out in the suburbs (my dad got 3.9% in '64 on a 0% down VA), while a government-endorsed practice known as redlining prevented minorities from doing the same.
Hence, our third-world ghettos.

There is no argument then. we are in agreement.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
There is no argument then. we are in agreement.

Ah cool. Sorry for the tone, I've been spending too much time in P&N 😱

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Sawyer
I am not rich, I work hard etc but I feel like an outcast here, everyone driving BMW's, Lexus etc, killer jobs. So who is working man like myself?

99% of the people here lie like it is their job

We're all congressmen? 😕

 

[Finalnight]

Do not pay any attention to these boards, all personal stats given out are fantasies/lies. IE, the average ATOT'er has:

$200,000 job and only works 40 hrs/wk
A "9" wife who loves anal and a "10" gf on the side who gives them hummers while they are closing a new $2bil biz deal every day
A BMW suv and a mercedes sports sedan
A 8.5" dick
3 degrees, all achieved by age 23
Has never taken a dime from anyone, even their parents, because they were making 5 figures from age 14 onwards
Goes on exotic trips 4-5 times a year
Has a vacation home and a cabin

 

[BigDH01]

I've been working the last two years to put myself through grad school. In those two years I've saved enough to take a trip to Egypt next week. I drive a 95 Honda Civic (and I just had to replace the exhaust because it rusted through completely). A lot of people my age (25) went out and bought trucks and SUVs when they graduated. I have the last laugh now at $3.50/gallon in gas. I live with my fiance (who also works and graduates this semester) in a 2 bedroom apartment. She was lucky enough to be born into a family that was able to pay her tuition. I was not and have a negative net worth due to undergrad loans. I think a situation like mine is probably more the norm here at AT than 25 year olds that make 100k/yr and drive a new BMW.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80
It's more fun to blame the white man.

That's easy to do when privileged white people like yourself pretend that being born black and poor is not a disadvantage in our society.
No one says that they can't succeed, just that it makes it harder. You can be born rich and stupid and coast your way through life getting break after break, but you gotta be really smart and really good to rise up out of poverty.
If you really believed your talk here, you wouldn't be opposed to a more level playing field so that people really were the result of their choices, instead of supporting a system where they are more the result of their parents' choices.

I'm not white nor privileged. I grew up on a farm and growing up my family was poor. Why would you assume such things? Is it so unbelievable to see a poor minority rise out of poverty to success so fast? Is it so unbelievable to you that someone with nothing can create something?

I would go far as to say being born black and poor is a huge advantage over everyone else due to the countless number of scholarships and government grants available to blacks and affirmative action programs that give preference to those of color.

 

[JS80]

In fact, it's the white privileged jackasses that are the most liberal, elitist and condescending because of their white guilt or blatant racism.

 

[Parkre]

I grew up on a 40-acre farm, work for all the local farmers as a farmhand.

I now make 90k a year (first full year out of college), almost 4 times what my dad makes.

To me, growing up "in poverty" is a huge advantage. By the time you get to college, you know what hard is and how use it to your advantage.

 

[Parkre]

Originally posted by: JS80
In fact, it's the white privileged jackasses that are the most liberal, elitist and condescending because of their white guilt or blatant racism.

That sounded a little strong...repressed any?

lol

 

[Parkre]

Originally posted by: BigDH01
I've been working the last two years to put myself through grad school. In those two years I've saved enough to take a trip to Egypt next week. I drive a 95 Honda Civic (and I just had to replace the exhaust because it rusted through completely). A lot of people my age (25) went out and bought trucks and SUVs when they graduated. I have the last laugh now at $3.50/gallon in gas. I live with my fiance (who also works and graduates this semester) in a 2 bedroom apartment. She was lucky enough to be born into a family that was able to pay her tuition. I was not and have a negative net worth due to undergrad loans. I think a situation like mine is probably more the norm here at AT than 25 year olds that make 100k/yr and drive a new BMW.

I am 25 and pulling 90k and working 100-110 hr work weeks. (yeah, if you work for an oilfield company...you'd know)

I drive an 1989 Wrangler.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Parkre
I am 25 and pulling 90k and working 100-110 hr work weeks. (yeah, if you work for an oilfield company...you'd know)

I drive an 1989 Wrangler.

Where do you live? You working the Barnett here in North TX? Lots of oil and gas field work around here.

 

[Parkre]

Noorth East Colorado, Permian Basin

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: Brigandier
I'm less than a working man, I'm a college student. I envy people with candy bars.

hahahaha!

 

[LS21]

i got 2970.25$ of federal tax withholding on my apr15-30 check. burn

 

[KentState]

A lot of it has to do with what field you get into. Personally, the only rewarding thing about my job is a decent salary. My gf is a teacher, making mid 30s, but she feels that her job is very rewarding.

 

[MaxDepth]

Originally posted by: Brigandier
I'm less than a working man, I'm a college student. I envy people with candy bars.

Sorta of an old timer here. I had the college life where friends thought I wore white lipstick until we found out it was the sodium coming out from eating nothing but packaged ramen noodles for three months.

I think the only rich (in money) people here are Anand (for selling all that crappy ad space) and those who have pretended to be his friend since he started this website.
















j/k





















no, not really

 

[Saint Nick]

College student with a Cavalier, soon to be in debt up to my eyeballs with medical school.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80
It's more fun to blame the white man.

That's easy to do when privileged white people like yourself pretend that being born black and poor is not a disadvantage in our society.
No one says that they can't succeed, just that it makes it harder. You can be born rich and stupid and coast your way through life getting break after break, but you gotta be really smart and really good to rise up out of poverty.
If you really believed your talk here, you wouldn't be opposed to a more level playing field so that people really were the result of their choices, instead of supporting a system where they are more the result of their parents' choices.

I'm not white nor privileged. I grew up on a farm and growing up my family was poor. Why would you assume such things? Is it so unbelievable to see a poor minority rise out of poverty to success so fast? Is it so unbelievable to you that someone with nothing can create something?

I would go far as to say being born black and poor is a huge advantage over everyone else due to the countless number of scholarships and government grants available to blacks and affirmative action programs that give preference to those of color.

What about lets say a 18 year old girl from a recently in the news Texas Sect ranch? Besides not all poor people are the same. One poor family may be emphasizing education and intelligence, another could be a drunk single parent who beats up their kids, for example.

 

[ajtyeh]

i made a post in reference to the profile of ATOT members, please participate =D

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2182994