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Man Impregnates His Girlfriend?s 9-Yr-Old Daughter
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Grasshopper27
Banned
Ok, give him to me, I'll use a butter knife...
😀
Grasshopper
UglyCasanova
Lifer
9 years old equals what? 4th grade? I know that I knew about murder and sex and all of those other "adult" things by the f'ing 4th grade. Kids talk about alot of things, it's part of growing up. By the time I was 9 I knew that killing was wrong and the whole concept of death. How the f- did I get so worked up when my dog ate ant poison and died? If it was beyond my grasp, according to you I would not give a sh!t.
I understand you take this a little personally, but now you're starting to argue semantics which is a pretty useless thing to do. If you want to be offended my me using the word "event" to describe a rape. Pick another term. Your choice. I think you know I wasn't trying to be "flippant".
Maybe I wasn't being clear. I wasn't talking about the rapist. I was (if you read the post, and again, maybe I was unclear) merely saying that the idea that you'd rather have your own child dead rather than raped strikes me as...well...
You get the idea.
If you have a problem with that, fine, your call I guess. But even the most un-diplomatic person would have to concede that there is certainly nothing wrong with someone raising an eyebrow (which is all I did) at the notion that wanting your child dead, regardless of what "events" happened to them.
You have a (justifiably) strong opinion on this matter. And I understand you have personal experiences (I don't remember if I knew what murder was at 9, btw), but with your quote above I have to ask the cut-off point question again. 😉 At what age do children grasp what murder is? Is there a distinct line drawn somewhere, like the one you would have drawn to decide the life or death of others?
Grasshopper27
Banned
This is why I want a new catagory...
Kids 0-12
Teens 12-17
Adults 18 and up
With kids, the sole source of disipline should be parents. The state should not get into the punishment of anyone 12 or younger.
With teens, there should be punishment, but it should be of a whole new nature. Putting a 14 year old in prison until they are 18 solves nothing, it just makes them a career criminal since they missed out on any possible education in those 4 years. We need a completely new set of rules for teens...
With adults, all the rules apply. We need to make it 100% clear to kids that when they turn 18, poof they are adults... They are completely reponsible for everything they do at that point.
Perhaps everyone who turns 18 should go through a government sponsored class where they are brought up to speed on the rules of being an adult. Perhaps it should be a week long and we should make sure that it is completely clear what is expected of them as adults... Pay your taxes, get a job, don't break the law, respect the police, vote in elections, etc...
Grasshopper
UglyCasanova
Lifer
Good lord. I'm sure that will go over well. You never answered, when does a child know what murder is? Their 12th bday? It seems we are treating our children like they are retarted. 11 and they can't understand the concept of death? So, according to you, if a child (let's say they are 9) kills someone it is up to the parent to punish them? I'm sure the family of the victim will love that.
NFS4
No Lifer
Here's an idea. How 'bout the blood thirsty vigilantes get off their ATOT soapbox and run for public office (or lobby your congressman or SOMETHING) and try to get the damn laws changed to start killing all rapists??
Because as far as rape is concerned (with the exception of LA), the DP is out of the question.
The laws are like this for a reason. There are people higher up that have deemed it to be this way, so unless you do something about it pro-actively, screaming for blood here isn't going to change anything.
I'm sorry to sound like an ass, but laws like "Megan's Law" and others didn't get implemented by people sitting on their asses.
Because as far as rape is concerned (with the exception of LA), the DP is out of the question.
The laws are like this for a reason. There are people higher up that have deemed it to be this way, so unless you do something about it pro-actively, screaming for blood here isn't going to change anything.
I'm sorry to sound like an ass, but laws like "Megan's Law" and others didn't get implemented by people sitting on their asses.
Grasshopper27
Banned
Every child is different when it comes to understanding death. That is understanding, not punishment.
You're right, I do think if a 9 year old kills someone, the punishment should be left up to the parent. I don't think any punishment the state hands out means anything in that case...
Grasshopper
This has been asked before in this thread, and I actually hesitate to ask it again.
Where do you draw the line?
Kids are up to 12 and teens are 12 and up. hmmmmm?
I am still torn about punishment for this slimeball.
And before anyone asks, yes I have children - and a 15 y/o grandson and a 10 y/o granddaughter, both of whom live with us 24/7
Grasshopper27
Banned
And I've answered it... You pick a line and draw it, then stick to it...
Otherwise, no one (including the kids) knows where the line is...
Grasshopper
UglyCasanova
Lifer
Why the f*ck should the kids even worry about a line. So they know how long they got until they really do get into trouble?
Grasshopper27
Banned
Twelve doesn't have "teen" in it...
Thirteen does...
Easy for kids to understand... You hit 13 and the rules change on you...
Not scientific, it is a random line. It will never be perfect, but it is better than the current system.
Grasshopper
Grasshopper27
Banned
So they understand when the rules change. It is also for parents, so they can finally know when to make sure their kids are paying attention at 13 and 18 that the rules are changing on them...
It isn't perfect, just better than the current mess...
Grasshopper
UglyCasanova
Lifer
Grasshopper27
Banned
Originally posted by: dparker
omg...
Laugh all you want, it isn't aimed at you, it is aimed at the kids...
Turning 13 means something to a lot a of kids, it means they are no longer a "child' and now they are a "teenager". You need something that makes sense to them, not to you...
Grasshopper
UglyCasanova
Lifer
Originally posted by: Lucky
*Most moronic* post of the thread.
No, no. Look a little deeper, there are some good ones.
OutHouse
Lifer
NY State child rape laws
"First-degree rape if victim is less than 11 and perpetrator is any age. Second-degree rape if victim is younger than 14 and perpetrator is 18 or older. Third-degree rape if victim is less than 17 and perpetrator is 21 or older."
Age changes:
Rape 1 and Sodomy 1 can be charged to anyone over the age of 18 who engages in sexual intercourse with someone under the age of 13.
Rape 2 and Sodomy 2 can be charged to anyone 18 or older when the victim is less than 15 years old.
Age of swearability is lowered from 12 to 9, eliminating a separate hearing to determine whether children between ages of 9 and 12 can provide testimony in a court of law.
Promotion of sexual performances by a child or obscene sexual performances by a child is now prosecutable for victims under the age of 17.
Prosecutors who failed in discovery to reveal some non-essential document to the defense cannot result in a vacated conviction of the case.
Provision sin the Course of Sexual Conduct against a child in the 1st and 2nd degree which stipulate that some 18 years of age or older who engages in two or more acts of sexual conduct with a child less than 13 years of age over a three month period will receive specific charges.
Consensual sodomy is eliminated as a crime
1. My daughter is 9, if some twisted F*CK ever touched her, the F*CK better have tighter security than McVeigh because I will kill him.
2. Yes girls are maturing at younger ages. My daughter is defiantly showing physical maturity when I drop her off at school I see the 6th grade girls and I swear they have the bodies of high school girls. I have a feeling that my daughters first period is very close and its scaring the sh*t out of my wife. My wife keeps saying "she is just too young" but there is nothing we can do about it.
3. The F*CK that impregnated the 9 year old girl (if it was my daughter i stated above what would happen to him) but since she is not my daughter he should get life. He is 42 years old, remove him from the gene pool and let him rot in prison.
4. With the rate that child molesters are getting locked up pretty soon they will be the majority offenders in prison. fricken scary!
"First-degree rape if victim is less than 11 and perpetrator is any age. Second-degree rape if victim is younger than 14 and perpetrator is 18 or older. Third-degree rape if victim is less than 17 and perpetrator is 21 or older."
Age changes:
Rape 1 and Sodomy 1 can be charged to anyone over the age of 18 who engages in sexual intercourse with someone under the age of 13.
Rape 2 and Sodomy 2 can be charged to anyone 18 or older when the victim is less than 15 years old.
Age of swearability is lowered from 12 to 9, eliminating a separate hearing to determine whether children between ages of 9 and 12 can provide testimony in a court of law.
Promotion of sexual performances by a child or obscene sexual performances by a child is now prosecutable for victims under the age of 17.
Prosecutors who failed in discovery to reveal some non-essential document to the defense cannot result in a vacated conviction of the case.
Provision sin the Course of Sexual Conduct against a child in the 1st and 2nd degree which stipulate that some 18 years of age or older who engages in two or more acts of sexual conduct with a child less than 13 years of age over a three month period will receive specific charges.
Consensual sodomy is eliminated as a crime
1. My daughter is 9, if some twisted F*CK ever touched her, the F*CK better have tighter security than McVeigh because I will kill him.
2. Yes girls are maturing at younger ages. My daughter is defiantly showing physical maturity when I drop her off at school I see the 6th grade girls and I swear they have the bodies of high school girls. I have a feeling that my daughters first period is very close and its scaring the sh*t out of my wife. My wife keeps saying "she is just too young" but there is nothing we can do about it.
3. The F*CK that impregnated the 9 year old girl (if it was my daughter i stated above what would happen to him) but since she is not my daughter he should get life. He is 42 years old, remove him from the gene pool and let him rot in prison.
4. With the rate that child molesters are getting locked up pretty soon they will be the majority offenders in prison. fricken scary!
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