Man hasn't eaten or drunk in 70 years or so he claims

[Perknose]

More interesting background and factual details.

Prahlad Jani, a sadhu who claims to have gone without food for decades,[33] spent ten days under strict observation by physicians at Sterling Hospital, Ahmedabad, India, in 2003.[34] The study was led by Dr Sudhir Shah, the same doctor who led the study of Hira Ratan Manek.

Reportedly, during the observation, he was given only 100 millilitres of water a day to use as mouthwash, which was collected and measured after he used it, to make sure he hadn't consumed any. He was reported to enter Samadhi state of consciousness almost daily during meditation. Throughout the observation, he passed no urine or stool, but doctors say urine appeared to form in the bladder, only to be reabsorbed.[33]

However, Jani was not engaged in strenuous exercise during the ten-day trial, and longer trials were not recorded under similarly strict observation. Further, his weight did drop slightly during the 10 days, casting some doubt on his claim to go indefinitely without food. Jani claims a goddess sustains him through amrit that filters down through a hole in his palate.[33] The Indian Rationalist Association has criticised the Indian Ministry of Defence for agreeing to take part in the tests, and for being taken in by a "village fraud".[35] Sanal Edamaruku of the Indian Rationalist Association claimed to have been repeatedly denied sending an independent team to survey the room where Jani was held. He also claimed that "this particular hospital, led by this particular doctor, keeps on making these claims without ever producing evidence or publishing research." The Indian Rationalist Association also said that individuals making similar claims have all reportedly been exposed as frauds.[36]

As of April 22, 2010, new tests are being conducted on Prahlad Jani under surveillance of 35 doctors and researchers of Defence Institute of Physiology & Allied Science (DIPAS).[37][38][39] He was kept for fifteen days, until May 6, and reportedly did not eat, drink or go to the toilet once during the time. This was apparently shown by blood tests, hormone profiles, MRIs and angiographs. The doctors also claimed to have found that he was "more healthy than someone half his age."

Hmmmm, despite the intellectual musings of a certain poster, we already know that you can't absorb water through your skin, so that's out, and the studies measured the water he gargles, so that's out, plus he never peed or pooped once in either study . . . so that's out.

Additionally,this was all backed by "blood tests, hormone profiles, MRIs and angiographs." Certainly seems pretty damn scientifically rigorous.

Otoh, in the first 10 day study from 2003, his weight did drop some, "casting some doubt on his claim to go indefinitely without food."

And, apparently Indian Rationalist Association remains adamantly skeptical of the claims and procedures, to say the least.

Pretty intriguing and not so easily dismissed, on balance, say I, at least with what little "evidence" we have to go on.

I'd be at least a little surprise if the Indian Ministry of Defense were somehow going to such great lengths to fund and perpetuate a total hoax.

 

[Perknose]

No. They are not the same. That is like saying a yard and a meter are practically the same. No they are not.

A Liter is a Liter
and
A Quart is a Quart.

What is this, insistent retard night on OT?

AS I SAID, Sparkalina, a liter and a quart are virtually the same, no matter how yellow you pee your knickers trying to claim otherwise: 1 liter = 1.0556 quarts.

When you (finally) get to high school, be sure to pay attention when one of your teachers introduces you to the concept of "meaningless specificity."

For the purposes of the daily minimum of water a person needs to survive, it varies sufficently enough depending on the size of the person and the amount of the activity the person engages in, not to mention the ambient environment such that the difference between 2.5 quarts and 2.5 liters IS FUCKING MEANINGLESS FOR THIS MEASUREMENT!!

Read it, absorb it, let the meaning percolate through your simian excuse for a brain, then STOP POSTING, short bus boy, you didn't win the Special Olympics debating prize even though you think you have.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Nope. That smell is your Mom. Please tell her to go absorb some water in a bath.

What is this, insistent retard night on OT?

AS I SAID, Sparkalina, a liter and a quart are virtually the same, no matter how yellow you pee your knickers trying to claim otherwise: 1 liter = 1.0556 quarts.

When you (finally) get to high school, be sure to pay attention when one of your teachers introduces you to the concept of "meaningless specificity."

For the purposes of the daily minimum of water a person needs to survive, it varies sufficently enough depending on the size of the person and the amount of the activity the person engages in, not to mention the ambient environment such that the difference between 2.5 quarts and 2.5 liters IS FUCKING MEANINGLESS FOR THIS MEASUREMENT!!

Read it, absorb it, let the meaning percolate through your simian excuse for a brain, then STOP POSTING, short bus boy, you didn't win the Special Olympics debating prize even though you think you have.

I think maybe someone should take a bit of a break from posting themselves. What's with the childish attitude?

 

[Mani]

Give me a break! I thought this forum was full of intelligent people. India has credible organizations? Get real.

If they believe this shit their credibility is no more.

Yea everyone, don't believe these organizations - believe this random twat on the internet telling you that you are all morons. He knows his shit.

 

[Perknose]

I think maybe someone should take a bit of a break from posting themselves. What's with the childish attitude?

You missed the context. In both cases, you caught me at the tail end of responding to repeated trolling.

Sequence A:

Unless they somehow effed up, this guy survived two weeks under constant surveillance not eating or drinking anything with flying colors.

Is he dead yet?

RTFT!

[Repeated troll]Is he dead yet?

Nope. That smell is your Mom. Please tell her to go absorb some water in a bath.

Sequence B:

Quarts or Liters?

Quick make up your mind.

You do know they are virtually the same, don't you?

1 liter = 1.0556 quart.

No. They are not the same. That is like saying a yard and a meter are practically the same. No they are not.

A Liter is a Liter
and
A Quart is a Quart.

What is this, insistent retard night on OT?

AS I SAID, Sparkalina, a liter and a quart are virtually the same, no matter how yellow you pee your knickers trying to claim otherwise: 1 liter = 1.0556 quarts.

When you (finally) get to high school, be sure to pay attention when one of your teachers introduces you to the concept of "meaningless specificity."

For the purposes of the daily minimum of water a person needs to survive, it varies sufficently enough depending on the size of the person and the amount of the activity the person engages in, not to mention the ambient environment such that the difference between 2.5 quarts and 2.5 liters IS FUCKING MEANINGLESS FOR THIS MEASUREMENT!!

Read it, absorb it, let the meaning percolate through your simian excuse for a brain, then STOP POSTING, short bus boy, you didn't win the Special Olympics debating prize even though you think you have.

Not saying either response was my finest hour, but in both cases I was being pointedly and persistently trolled.

So . . . I think you jumped to an all too hasty conclusion here. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

You might notice that I do have several substantive, on topic posts in this thread as well.

Thank-you and good morning.

 

[Mani]

More interesting background and factual details.



Hmmmm, despite the intellectual musings of a certain poster, we already know that you can't absorb water through your skin, so that's out, and the studies measured the water he gargles, so that's out, plus he never peed or pooped once in either study . . . so that's out.

Additionally,this was all backed by "blood tests, hormone profiles, MRIs and angiographs." Certainly seems pretty damn scientifically rigorous.

Otoh, in the first 10 day study from 2003, his weight did drop some, "casting some doubt on his claim to go indefinitely without food."

And, apparently Indian Rationalist Association remains adamantly skeptical of the claims and procedures, to say the least.

Pretty intriguing and not so easily dismissed, on balance, say I, at least with what little "evidence" we have to go on.

I'd be at least a little surprise if the Indian Ministry of Defense were somehow going to such great lengths to fund and perpetuate a total hoax.

Agreed. There's really no reason why they would create such an elaborate hoax. This certainly stretches believability, but it's not like the guy is levitating or walking through walls - what is happening is conceivable if his body has some set of biological adaptations.

 

[Matthiasa]

patches are for small lipophilic drug molecules.... not water molecules

I was only stating stuff can go through the skin, and used that as an examle.

 

[Minjin]

The problem is that the scientists are looking for HOW he is doing it and not IF he is actually doing it. We are all assuming that these tests are rigorous and that he has no access to any sustenance and that he can't leave the room. What if he is allowed to have an hour outside every night for unsupervised meditation or something like that? My point is that we don't know the particulars and fooling doctors and scientists is quite easy if they lack experience in detecting treachery or aren't even looking for it in the first place.

Example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Alpha

 

[pcgeek11]

What is this, insistent retard night on OT?

AS I SAID, Sparkalina, a liter and a quart are virtually the same, no matter how yellow you pee your knickers trying to claim otherwise: 1 liter = 1.0556 quarts.

When you (finally) get to high school, be sure to pay attention when one of your teachers introduces you to the concept of "meaningless specificity."

For the purposes of the daily minimum of water a person needs to survive, it varies sufficently enough depending on the size of the person and the amount of the activity the person engages in, not to mention the ambient environment such that the difference between 2.5 quarts and 2.5 liters IS FUCKING MEANINGLESS FOR THIS MEASUREMENT!!

Read it, absorb it, let the meaning percolate through your simian excuse for a brain, then STOP POSTING, short bus boy, you didn't win the Special Olympics debating prize even though you think you have.

I think you need to up your meds.

 

[Perknose]

I think you need to up your meds.

Iow, you've got nothing but are unwilling to admit how red-faced wrong you were even though the facts are staring you right in the face.

Pathetic.

 

[pcgeek11]

Iow, you've got nothing but are unwilling to admit how red-faced wrong you were even though the facts are staring you right in the face.

Pathetic.

What facts?

That a Man lives years without food and water?

Sorry, Not a fact. This man is not a God and would have died long ago, but for the cheating going on somewhere. I have seen magic acts I cannot explain either, but that doesn't make it more than tricks.

That a quart is not equal to a liter or vice versa. Not a fact either. It is also nothing to get your panties in a bunch about and start acting like a three year old calling names and such.

If you hadn't flown off the handle you would have known that in your post in one sentence you stated 2.5 liters and in the very next one you stated 2.5 quarts. All I said was to make up your mind quarts or liters at which point you went all female on me.

If you are going to state scientific facts you need to maintain some continuity between sentences in the same post at least. If not your credibility goes out the window.

Try wearing your testicles on the outside for a change and see how that works out for you.

 

[mugs]

What facts?

That a Man lives years without food and water?

Sorry, Not a fact. This man is not a God and would have died long ago, but for the cheating going on somewhere. I have seen magic acts I cannot explain either, but that doesn't make it more than tricks.

That a quart is not equal to a liter or vice versa. Not a fact either. It is also nothing to get your panties in a bunch about and start acting like a three year old calling names and such.

If you hadn't flown off the handle you would have known that in your post in one sentence you stated 2.5 liters and in the very next one you stated 2.5 quarts. All I said was to make up your mind quarts or liters at which point you went all female on me.

If you are going to state scientific facts you need to maintain some continuity between sentences in the same post at least. If not your credibility goes out the window.

Try wearing your testicles on the outside for a change and see how that works out for you.

WTF is wrong with you? Whether he used quarts or liters or both in his original post is unimportant, the difference is inconsequential in the context. Quit arguing over something so stupid.

 

[gaidensensei]

I kind of get his point from a perspective, that's because its related to my field. Ever heard your teachers to "get your metric system straight?"

But for the sake of this argument it's not a groundbreaking change, a +6% change in water consumption won't make or break Prahalad Jani's "osmotic" or plant-like rejuvenation abilities, even if he got it or not. Even if he got that 6% change in the daily water requirement, it isn't going to kill him. Or help him survive.

 

[OverVolt]

This is so obviously untrue it's not even worth argueing over quarts and liters, lol.

 

[Sea Moose]

Guys, i hate to break it to you, but the Courier Mail is NOT a reliable source for anything.

Trust me on this

 

[Mani]

What facts?

That a Man lives years without food and water?

Sorry, Not a fact. This man is not a God and would have died long ago, but for the cheating going on somewhere. I have seen magic acts I cannot explain either, but that doesn't make it more than tricks.

That a quart is not equal to a liter or vice versa. Not a fact either. It is also nothing to get your panties in a bunch about and start acting like a three year old calling names and such.

If you hadn't flown off the handle you would have known that in your post in one sentence you stated 2.5 liters and in the very next one you stated 2.5 quarts. All I said was to make up your mind quarts or liters at which point you went all female on me.

If you are going to state scientific facts you need to maintain some continuity between sentences in the same post at least. If not your credibility goes out the window.

Try wearing your testicles on the outside for a change and see how that works out for you.

You must be a masochist - Perknose straight owned your ass and you keep coming back for more. Give it up already.

 

[DrPizza]

I'm surprised no one has questioned the 2.5 quarts/2.5 liters of water thing, other than point out that they're not the same measurement. First, when you're talking about something like water that your body is intaking, the difference between the two is completely negligible.

However, 2 1/2 quarts?! The recommendation used to be eight 8-oz glasses. That's 64 ounces - only 2 quarts. However, in recent years, that number has been pointed out multiple times to be a myth. Most people do NOT need 2 quarts of water a day to survive.

Also, the body DOES absorb water while bathing - that's the reason your fingers get all "pruned." The skin is one layer (pun intended) of regulating body water, so it seems quite feasible that if someone were slightly dehydrated, they would absorb more water. Additionally, the amount of water that can be absorbed rectally should not be dismissed - one of the things the lower colon does is absorbs water from waste, and things can be absorbed fairly rapidly - i.e. some drugs are administered rectally.

 

[SP33Demon]

Ever heard of David Copperfield or David Blaine? Do you know what a magician is?

 

[gaidensensei]

Also, the body DOES absorb water while bathing - that's the reason your fingers get all "pruned." The skin is one layer (pun intended) of regulating body water, so it seems quite feasible that if someone were slightly dehydrated, they would absorb more water.

I am not fully sure about the daily water intake requirement part. Perhaps when we approach the question of how much exactly is mandatory, these days it it sounds reasonable to split it by BMI categorization, we know for a fact that the bigger one is, the more water they need.

I had questioned this several posts back. We do realize that water can get through keratin skin cells. It's not some giant skin wall, there are little weaving sequences stacked over layers of skin layers along the epidermis. Most of the water absorption in our lives is done in the kidney, not by means of diffusion over the skin.

The true problem with the whole situation, which is why the scientists are shocked, is how is a human being able to retain water this way?
Admittedly this is a very recent area of science that is not readily known by all people, need to take cell biology to understand the whole concept of aquaporin proteins, active transport and the function of how the animal cell's lipid permeable bilayer works.

In plants, where many of us have the understanding there. Water is simply taken into the roots, travels along the stem and leaves. They can easily enter osmosis with their roots and directly get water like that in a snap. Water storage is done by their very own cell walls, storage water vacuoles, specific channels of the xylem, transfer of nutrients (sucrose and minerals) thru the phloem, etc, without going into the lecture you know the whole deal if you've taken a basic bio course.

Now how is this done in an animal cell? We have no means of regulating water within our bodies as we are completely lacking in that department. Our vacuoles are for a whole different purpose unrelated to storage properties. Per the educational approach, water isn't just dumped over our epidermis and we can let the cells do the work, there is some transport work (whether passive or how it's done) required in the whole process.

That is the honest issue I can think of given my experience and understanding with cellular biology.

 

[pcgeek11]

You must be a masochist - Perknose straight owned your ass and you keep coming back for more. Give it up already.

Thanks for your 2 cents.

 

[SagaLore]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/enter...ink-for-70-years/story-e6frep26-1225859946801
Mr Jani is regarded as a "breatharian" who can live a "spiritual life-force" alone. He believes he is sustained by the "elixir" of a goddess.

...

The research organisation believes Mr Jani could hold the key to helping soldiers or disaster victims survive without food for longer periods in times of crisis.
"If his claims are verified, it will be a breakthrough in medical science," said Dr G Ilavazhagan, director of the Defence Institute of Physiology & Allied Sciences

What if the goddess doesn't want to share her elixir with disaster victims? :\

 

[cheezy321]

Is he dead yet?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

bump

Is he dead yet?

 

[Josh]

...There will be many who maintain that the latest tests prove nothing — and that Mr Jani’s survival is down to nothing more mysterious than trickery.

That’s the view held by the Indian Rationalist Association, an organisation which publicly campaigns against superstition and spiritual fraudsters.

It has attacked the Indian Ministry of Defence for even agreeing to take part in the tests, accusing them of being ‘taken in by the absurd claims of a village fraud’.

Sanal Edamaruku, the association’s secretary general, told the Mail: ‘I asked to be allowed to send an independent team to survey the room where this test is taking place, but I was repeatedly turned down.

‘Dr Shah has been in charge of three similar investigations over the past ten years, and he has never allowed independent verification.

'In 2000, he was asking for funds to investigate a man he claimed got his energy from the sun, just like plants do.

‘In 2003, he even approached NASA for funds to investigate Mr Jani, claiming astronauts might benefit from the research. This particular hospital, led by this particular doctor, keeps on making these claims without ever producing evidence or publishing research.’

Mr Edamaruku is convinced that Mr Jani must have had access to food and water at the hospital, and does not believe that he was kept under strict supervision around the clock.

He says that whenever the Rationalist Association has investigated individuals making similar claims, all have been exposed as frauds.

In 1999, they investigated a woman who claimed that she was the reincarnation of another Hindu goddess. For five years, she had remained alone in a small closet where it was claimed she had not eaten nor passed any urine or faeces.

In co-operation with the police, investigators from the association searched the room, finding a toilet hidden behind a shelf and a disguised hole through which she received food. Blood tests revealed the presence of glucose, indicating the intake of food.

To further prove the case, a gas was released into the room that made the woman vomit. The contents of her stomach were found to include pieces of recently-eaten chapatti and potatoes. (whaaaaatt)

Mr Edamaruku is concerned that by publicising the activities of individuals such as Mr Jani, others will be encouraged to copy.

‘The Hindu religion is a belief system that’s all about magical thinking, about great things happening that are not understandable to the ordinary person,’ he explained.

‘These claims are very dangerous, because people try to follow these holy men and can end up hurting themselves.

‘In any other religion there’s a priest who requires a lot of training and there’s a structure which means people can’t just make up their qualifications.

'In Hinduism, anyone can become a guru overnight. You just decide that’s what you are, dress the part and become it.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...eriously.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0npDNCVco

 

[Juked07]

Thanks for your 2 cents.

I was stopping in to post a link to an article w/ results but was clearly way too late. I'm posting anyway to corroborate Mani's assertion that you were soundly owned, and are still continuing to troll. Why?