Man dum MS has to do this. Well i think this will destory themselfs with Windows Product Activation on Windows XP.

[Psychoholic]

<< We can't all bitch about the bad software you run Psych. Although, you seem about ready to bitch about it yourself - nonetheless that doesn't make Microsofts plan any better. >>


Hmmm... AutoCAD's bad software???? :Q

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

No, AutoCAD GOOD!!

 

[WyteWatt]

Thank you hehe

 

[skace]

I don't use autocad... therefor I won't be bitching about it. I didn't mean the application was bad so much as assuming you were talking about the 2 applications you mentioned to me earlier, which even you admitted had bad/frustrating activation means.

But anyways, the point still remains, just because people arn't bitching about every application you yourself use doesn't mean they shouldn't bitch about the one that may affect them all very soon.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< I don't use autocad... therefor I won't be bitching about it. I didn't mean the application was bad so much as assuming you were talking about the 2 applications you mentioned to me earlier, which even you admitted had bad/frustrating activation means. >>


Doesn't mean it's bad software, as a matter of fact the software itself is very clean, bugfree, and robust.



<< But anyways, the point still remains, just because people arn't bitching about every application you yourself use doesn't mean they shouldn't bitch about the one that may affect them all very soon. >>


Nope, they can bitch. My point is that it could be a much worse protection method, and there is still no basis for the privacy issue yet.

 

[skace]

Yea I guess it could be worse.... your point?

&quot;Damn this car is terrible... but I guess it could be worse... I will take it!&quot;

 

[Psychoholic]

<< Yea I guess it could be worse.... your point? >>


My point is I hardly see it as an issue. Even if I did, I have options. So what's all the bitching for??? Like I've mentioned before it sounds like it all boils down to another way to bash MS.

 

[bigd480]

<< By using exploitative you insinuated evil.

No the comment does make sense due to the fact piracy and stealing are the same thing.....theft

Apply your cheaper price logic to shareware. Winzip and the like is free for thirty days after that for a nominal fee you should pay and register it. How many people do you know that paid for it???

BTW, just a suggestion, try putting you quote before the reply. It's a little less confusing if I know what you're replying to before I read your reply. >>


actually i used the word &quot;extort&quot; implying exploitation, you inferred the evil...

and you just proved my point... I SAID stealing and piracy are the same thing, which is why i said:


<< that comment makes NO sense because under that logic there are ways to get everything free: cars, clothes, jewelry - just steal it (real world piracy) >>


if things are closer to affordable, people wouldn't steal them, like my other example:


<< if it's affordable, less ppl will steal it... for example, everyone at my university can by M$ software for $5 per CD... that's why i have legit copies of WinME and Office2K and Visual Studio... >>

everyone i know has pirated software, except for the M$ stuff we buy on campus for a reasonable price...

Also your shareware analogy is crap because WinZip is given away and registration is optional...

BTW, just a suggestion, try READING and UNDERSTANDING a post before replying. It's a little easier on me if you address what I wrote so I don't have to repeat myself.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< actually i used the word &quot;extort&quot; implying exploitation, you inferred the evil... >>


Excuse me for using evil when talking about something &quot;bad&quot; people do. Is that better???



<< and you just proved my point... I SAID stealing and piracy are the same thing, which is why i said:
<< that comment makes NO sense because under that logic there are ways to get everything free: cars, clothes, jewelry - just steal it (real world piracy) >> >>


So because stealing and piracy are the same thing it makes no sense because you can steal a car???

You must have dwelled on that evil, oops sorry bad issue too long.



<< everyone i know has pirated software, except for the M$ stuff we buy on campus for a reasonable price... >>


Oh, so that makes it right. I wish we really had a rolleyes emoticon.



<< Also your shareware analogy is crap because WinZip is given away and registration is optional... >>


Really. Try reading this, I've put the relivant parts in bolds to make it easier for your one-track mind.



<< WinZip® Copyright © 1991-1998 by Nico Mak Computing, Inc.
All rights reserved.

This license applies to the evaluation version of WinZip. If you have purchased a license for the registered version of WinZip, see the section Copyright/License/Warranty.
License Agreement

You should carefully read the following terms and conditions before using this software. Unless you have a different license agreement signed by Nico Mak Computing, Inc. your use of this software indicates your acceptance of this license agreement and warranty.

Evaluation and Registration
This is not free software. Subject to the terms below, you are hereby licensed to use this software for evaluation purposes without charge for a period of 21 days. If you use this software after the 21 day evaluation period a registration fee of $29 is required. Payments must be in US dollars drawn on a US bank, and should be sent to Nico Mak Computing, Inc., P.O. Box 540, Mansfield, CT 06268. Credit card ordering and quantity discounts are available, as described in the section Ordering Information. When payment is received you will be sent a registered copy of the latest version of WinZip.

Self-extracting ZIP files created by WinZip Self-Extractor Personal Edition (distributed as part of the WinZip evaluation package) contain, among other things, a portion of WinZip Self- Extractor, including copyrighted software, proprietary notices, and identifying information (the ?Extraction Software&quot. You may not alter or modify the Extraction Software and cannot give anyone else permission to modify the Extraction Software. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU LICENSED TO DISTRIBUTE SELF-EXTRACTING ZIP FILES CREATED BY THE EVALUATION VERSION OF WINZIP SELF-EXTRACTOR PERSONAL EDITION.

Unregistered use of WinZip or WinZip Self-Extractor Personal Edition after the 21-day evaluation period is in violation of U.S. and international copyright laws.

Governing Law
This agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of Connecticut.

Disclaimer of Warranty
THIS SOFTWARE AND THE ACCOMPANYING FILES ARE SOLD ?AS IS? AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES AS TO PERFORMANCE OR MERCHANTABILITY OR ANY OTHER WARRANTIES WHETHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED. In particular, there is no warranty for the optional virus scanning feature (WinZip does not scan for viruses, it simply runs external programs that claim to perform this function). Because of the various hardware and software environments into which WinZip may be put, NO WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IS OFFERED.

Good data processing procedure dictates that any program be thoroughly tested with non-critical data before relying on it. The user must assume the entire risk of using the program. ANY LIABILITY OF THE SELLER WILL BE LIMITED EXCLUSIVELY TO PRODUCT REPLACEMENT OR REFUND OF PURCHASE PRICE.
Distribution of Evaluation Version

Provided that you verify that you are distributing the evaluation version (select About from the WinZip Help menu to check) you are hereby licensed to make as many copies of the evaluation version of this software and documentation as you wish; give exact copies of the original evaluation version to anyone; and distribute the evaluation version of the software and documentation in its unmodified form via electronic means. There is no charge for any of the above.
You are specifically prohibited from charging, or requesting donations, for any such copies, however made; and from distributing the software and/or documentation with other products (commercial or otherwise) without prior written permission.

Copyright ¸ 1991-1998 Nico Mak Computing, Inc. >>



BTW, try reading and understanding a License Agreement before you spout off things which you know nothing about.

 

[bigd480]

I'm sorry your mind can't process the fine subtleties of language... &quot;Evil&quot; is a word that dogmatic anti-M$ zealots use (as opposed to you the pro-M$ zealot)... I referred to it as extortion because they are doing it purely for financial leverage...

Also, to spell my point out for the third time, your original post that I replied to said that &quot;people wouldn't pay if there was a way to get it free&quot;... I said that you can get anything free if you are going to resort to the illegal... HENCE stealing and piracy is the same thing... I offered a solution to this problem by saying they should sell the software cheaper and provided your neanderthal ass an example which I won't repeat again because you will probably respond with more non-sensical blathering (ie. i didn't say anything about &quot;making it right&quot;, i said it's cheap, so we pay for it, and don't pirate it)

And finally, yes you can read the WinZip agreement, I'm proud of you... Did you pay for your copy? Did you know zipfile support is a built in feature of newer O/Ss (WinME)? Why would I pay for something I already have ability to do without their software?


<<

<< actually i used the word &quot;extort&quot; implying exploitation, you inferred the evil... >>


Excuse me for using evil when talking about something &quot;bad&quot; people do. Is that better???



<< and you just proved my point... I SAID stealing and piracy are the same thing, which is why i said:
<< that comment makes NO sense because under that logic there are ways to get everything free: cars, clothes, jewelry - just steal it (real world piracy) >> >>


So because stealing and piracy are the same thing it makes no sense because you can steal a car???

You must have dwelled on that evil, oops sorry bad issue too long.



<< everyone i know has pirated software, except for the M$ stuff we buy on campus for a reasonable price... >>


Oh, so that makes it right. I wish we really had a rolleyes emoticon.



<< Also your shareware analogy is crap because WinZip is given away and registration is optional... >>


Really. Try reading this, I've put the relivant parts in bolds to make it easier for your one-track mind.



<< WinZip® Copyright © 1991-1998 by Nico Mak Computing, Inc.
All rights reserved.

This license applies to the evaluation version of WinZip. If you have purchased a license for the registered version of WinZip, see the section Copyright/License/Warranty.
License Agreement

You should carefully read the following terms and conditions before using this software. Unless you have a different license agreement signed by Nico Mak Computing, Inc. your use of this software indicates your acceptance of this license agreement and warranty.

Evaluation and Registration
This is not free software. Subject to the terms below, you are hereby licensed to use this software for evaluation purposes without charge for a period of 21 days. If you use this software after the 21 day evaluation period a registration fee of $29 is required. Payments must be in US dollars drawn on a US bank, and should be sent to Nico Mak Computing, Inc., P.O. Box 540, Mansfield, CT 06268. Credit card ordering and quantity discounts are available, as described in the section Ordering Information. When payment is received you will be sent a registered copy of the latest version of WinZip.

Self-extracting ZIP files created by WinZip Self-Extractor Personal Edition (distributed as part of the WinZip evaluation package) contain, among other things, a portion of WinZip Self- Extractor, including copyrighted software, proprietary notices, and identifying information (the ?Extraction Software&quot. You may not alter or modify the Extraction Software and cannot give anyone else permission to modify the Extraction Software. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU LICENSED TO DISTRIBUTE SELF-EXTRACTING ZIP FILES CREATED BY THE EVALUATION VERSION OF WINZIP SELF-EXTRACTOR PERSONAL EDITION.

Unregistered use of WinZip or WinZip Self-Extractor Personal Edition after the 21-day evaluation period is in violation of U.S. and international copyright laws.

Governing Law
This agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of Connecticut.

Disclaimer of Warranty
THIS SOFTWARE AND THE ACCOMPANYING FILES ARE SOLD ?AS IS? AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES AS TO PERFORMANCE OR MERCHANTABILITY OR ANY OTHER WARRANTIES WHETHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED. In particular, there is no warranty for the optional virus scanning feature (WinZip does not scan for viruses, it simply runs external programs that claim to perform this function). Because of the various hardware and software environments into which WinZip may be put, NO WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IS OFFERED.

Good data processing procedure dictates that any program be thoroughly tested with non-critical data before relying on it. The user must assume the entire risk of using the program. ANY LIABILITY OF THE SELLER WILL BE LIMITED EXCLUSIVELY TO PRODUCT REPLACEMENT OR REFUND OF PURCHASE PRICE.
Distribution of Evaluation Version

Provided that you verify that you are distributing the evaluation version (select About from the WinZip Help menu to check) you are hereby licensed to make as many copies of the evaluation version of this software and documentation as you wish; give exact copies of the original evaluation version to anyone; and distribute the evaluation version of the software and documentation in its unmodified form via electronic means. There is no charge for any of the above.
You are specifically prohibited from charging, or requesting donations, for any such copies, however made; and from distributing the software and/or documentation with other products (commercial or otherwise) without prior written permission.

Copyright ¸ 1991-1998 Nico Mak Computing, Inc. >>



BTW, try reading and understanding a License Agreement before you spout off things which you know nothing about. >>

 

[Psychoholic]

<< I'm sorry your mind can't process the fine subtleties of language... &quot;Evil&quot; is a word that dogmatic anti-M$ zealots use (as opposed to you the pro-M$ zealot)... I referred to it as extortion because they are doing it purely for financial leverage... >>


No actually they're doing it for the reason all other companies do it....to make money. Without which they couldn't pay their employees or survive.



<< Also, to spell my point out for the third time, your original post that I replied to said that &quot;people wouldn't pay if there was a way to get it free&quot;... I said that you can get anything free if you are going to resort to the illegal... HENCE stealing and piracy is the same thing... I offered a solution to this problem by saying they should sell the software cheaper and provided your neanderthal ass an example which I won't repeat again because you will probably respond with more non-sensical blathering (ie. i didn't say anything about &quot;making it right&quot;, i said it's cheap, so we pay for it, and don't pirate it) >>


Really, Winzip's cheap how many people did you know that paid for it???



<< And finally, yes you can read the WinZip agreement, I'm proud of you... Did you pay for your copy? >>


You should be proud of me, reading is obviously something you can't do. I'll take that as an acknowledgement of the fact you were blantantly proved wrong. Guess you're the neanderthal, after all you're the one eating crow.



<< Did you know zipfile support is a built in feature of newer O/Ss (WinME)? Why would I pay for something I already have ability to do without their software? >>


Yes I know that, but did you pay for your copy before it was integrated into the OS. Oh and BTW I did pay for my copy.

I think I've made my point and I'm done toying with you. Call me when your register your shareware.....

I'm out, like bigd480's Legal Agreement reading skills.

 

[bigd480]

yeah and every other software maker is going broke because they don't charge subscription fees...


<< No actually they're doing it for the reason all other companies do it....to make money. Without which they couldn't pay their employees or survive. >>



$30 for a simple utility that you can find a freeware version of online is not cheap, sorry...


<< Really, Winzip's cheap how many people did you know that paid for it??? >>



No crow for me thanks, i'll save it for you - enjoy it next week or whenever you finally get a clue and can make sense of everything we've been telling you...


<< You should be proud of me, reading is obviously something you can't do. I'll take that as an acknowledgement of the fact you were blantantly proved wrong. Guess you're the neanderthal, after all you're the one eating crow. >>



Thank you for letting me get back to my job (writing code, ironically)... Don't call me...


<< I think I've made my point and I'm done toying with you. Call me when your register your shareware..... >>

 

[mastertech01]

I dont think that MS will go ahead with the activation thing, or at least wont keep it. Sales will be affected too much and they will come up with a way to kill it themselves.. maybe after the verified sale.

Linux will never be the ultimate OS simply because as soon as it did gain enough popularity, it would no longer be free. They havent spend endless hours, weeks, months, years on research and development for nothing.. And MS will never let it happen, just like Intel will never let AMD reign as king. IMHO

 

[CocaCola5]

&quot;Evil&quot; is a word that dogmatic anti-M$ zealots use (as opposed to you the pro-M$ zealot)... I referred to it as extortion because they are doing it purely for financial leverage... >>


No actually they're doing it for the reason all other companies do it....to make money. Without which they couldn't pay their employees or survive.


Psychoholic, you must believe that every corporation out there got where they are just by lying and bullying like Microsoft have. So all companies out there that make whole heartedly great products and services, and charge a fair price will not survive because they're not greedy like Microsoft? Man, don't think everybody out there take Darwins views so literally. Would you want every company in the world to adopt Microsoft's way of doing business? The fact is there can only be so many &quot;cheater&quot; before it all comes tumbling down.

 

[lucidguy]

<< when you show me your Juris Doctorate I'll be happy to listen to your legal-ese. >>



One does not have to be a graduate of McDonalds University to know the difference between a hamburger and a cheeseburger. These are simple, everyday terms that most everyone is familiar with.

Similarly, One does not have to be a graduate of a law school to know the difference between stealing and copyright infringement. These are simple, everyday terms that most everyone is familiar with. Except, possibly, MS shills.