Man dum MS has to do this. Well i think this will destory themselfs with Windows Product Activation on Windows XP.

[WyteWatt]

AaronP What if the subscription program does happen in Windows XP?
then what ?
i bet a lot of people will be very angry and not upgrading.
or what if windows xp is released then soon after a lot of people have it maybe they start to do the subscription program.
it could happen
look at other countries they have the subscription program.

The subscription program will 100% sure make me not use any new MS OSs forever.
and thats a for sure answer

 

[AaronP]

yeah, I think I might go the Linux route, and Dual Boot to 98SE for my gaming.

 

[WyteWatt]

i may do like win2k and linux or just linux
i rather just linux cause its just better i think.
no more MS i got to look at.
and i can finally say bye bye MS

 

[Shudder]

Boycotting Windows XP would be nice, but with 1 billion in advertising thrown at a consumer society that will gladly promote for Tommy Hilfiger by becoming a human billboard while wearing their shirts, it's just not going to happen.

 

[WyteWatt]

But you can make windows 2000 look extraly like windows xp i seen even the start menu.
and everything

and plus win2k is easy enough i think.
Windows XP is like tooo easy.

you can even make win98 look extraly like windows xp so the look of windows xp is easy to get if you got the right programs

 

[lucidguy]

The average computer user is smarter than the average Tommy Hilfiger fan.

The average early adopter and the average influential technology buyer is significantly smarter and is significantly more influential in his social circle than the average Tommy Hilfiger fan.

I think this smarter group can do a whole lot in speaking out against XP and discouraging their friends, colleagues and employers from adopting it.

 

[WyteWatt]

Shudder yeah but maybe we can hurt Windows XP and make it the least selling windows OS of all time lol
that would be bad.
i am telling my friends and everyone not to get windows xp and how its not good. They should listen. And plus they wont upgrade cause win98 does everything they want it to do.
plus there hardware requirements.
i think the hardware requirements will help a lot of people not buy window xp and stay with windows 9x !

 

[WyteWatt]

lucidguy i think it would be cool if we could have a big impact on making windows xp not sell as well.
Cause its not illegal its just giving a lot of people really good advice
i mean hey whats wrong with windows 2000 or even win9x even thou i dont like win9x.

 

[Psychoholic]

imtim83


<< Psychoholic u will like the subscription program for a yearly charge?
or having to call MS everytime you change hardware?
because i build my own computers >>


First of all I have yet to see anything that will cause me to move from W2K to XP. However, if I do I will pay and do what's necessary to stay compliant with the agreement I have with them. I know that going into it, just like I know that running a stop sign is also against the law. If I don't want to abide by the rules they have set I can choose another OS or continue with the one I have. I see no point in finding illegal methods to defeat they piracy protection.

skace


<< If they had wanted to break the hacking community, they would have set something up like a WON server. Example: When you are online with WinXP it sends a request for your product key and then checks if more than 2 people are using currently, if it is being used it disables the OS. >>


That's nice, but what happens when the legimate owner fires up his computer and a person who make an illegal copy, without the knowledge of the legimate owner, is already verified as the user. Then the person who pays for the software doesn't get to use it.

Solutions to stop piracy aren't foolproof but they have to stop somewhere. It's also undeniable that if piracy would have never begun then protection would be a moot point. If you produced software and you lost money due to piracy wouldn't you want to do something about it???

 

[WyteWatt]

i would make open source linux software.

 

[WyteWatt]

Psychoholic but i am talking about not cracking the product activatation cause i wouldnt.
but i wont use windows xp.
i wont even look at the box at the store , or touch it.
i will not even look at windows xp advertising.
i will do whatever it takes because i do not want to use it. And i dont have to use it if i dont wish. i will just use win2k.

 

[Psychoholic]

Good for you, now how would you get paid???

 

[WyteWatt]

i wouldnt
it would be just to do it.
i would build my own computers for people.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< Psychoholic but i am talking about not cracking the product activatation cause i wouldnt.
but i wont use windows xp.
i wont even look at the box at the store , or touch it.
i will not even look at windows xp advertising.
i will do whatever it takes because i do not want to use it. And i dont have to use it if i dont wish. i will just use win2k. >>


But there are some here that support that sort of thing. You are perfectly within your rights to not use XP, there are many people who still use DOS.

 

[WyteWatt]

But what is not fair is thar MS i think is going to try to make everyone have to upgrade to windows xp i think. Or make them want too more. But maybe i am wrong. Thats not fair i dont think what MS will do to make people have to upgrade maybe.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< i wouldnt
it would be just to do it.
i would build my own computers for people. >>


If you can build computers and make money that's good. Many people are finding that harder and harder to do these days. There's a lot of competition.

As far as writing code for free it's nice that you have the time to do that and expect no compensation. However there are people out there who are very talented and they don't have the time to do something for free due to the fact their time is limited. Therefore they have the right to charge, just like you have the right to buy. If they choose to protect their protect that does not make them wrong.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< But what is not fair is thar MS i think is going to try to make everyone have to upgrade to windows xp i think. >>


Has Microsoft forced people to upgrade from DOS????

 

[Rogue]

Look, despite my previous statements to answer the &quot;extremist&quot; bunch on this issue, I can and will admit that Microsoft could have chosen a much better method to enforce this. Some sort of activation card sold along side the boxed, retail version of the product would have been an alternative. A second &quot;Activation Disk&quot; of some kind would work too. Seems like a lot of trouble all around just to prevent Jim Bob from installing it on his friend's computer. I hold a strict &quot;buy your own damn software&quot; policy for the stuff that I purchase. Microsoft can't stop Warez, so if a friend wants something I bought, I tell them to warez it themselves, cuz they're not gonna get mine. I understand both sides of the issue here. Perhaps Microsoft would do good to create a &quot;Personal Licensing&quot; system whereby you can purchase a second OS license for home use for half the price of the media. In all reality though, if Microsoft would simply drop the price of Windows further, it would saturate the market at a lower pricepoint forcing more people to feel &quot;sympathetic&quot; about not buying two copies. If something is cheap enough, most people have no problem purchasing more than one copy of the same thing.

 

[WyteWatt]

no but i was hearing MS will do something to make people have to upgrade to windows xp. but i am not sure what it was.
i guess its just stop supporting the OS who knows.

I dont write programs btw for linux for free. i dont even know how i was just saying. But yes i do have a right to charge if i made a program but i wouldnt go crazy to keep it safe i mean man bill gates has enough money to live 100 lives really well. He can buy anything the world he wants. all he got to do is name it and its his. I mean who needs more than 58 billion dollars
shhhhh
or even 1 billion
give me 1 million and i be happy and sell my company or shut it down.

i dont need to be greedy
heck give me $500,000

 

[WyteWatt]

Rogue but still Windows xp a yearly charge no way.
thats expersive like upgrading every year which i dont do and wont upgrade ever again.
Its good bye MS with future OSs forever.
may be formating and reinstalling but wont be upgrading to any new MS OS ever again.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< no but i was hearing MS will do something to make people have to upgrade to windows xp. but i am not sure what it was.
i guess its just stop supporting the OS who knows. >>


Now maybe you're seeing a lot of the problem. Most of the anger surrounding XP is just unsubstantiated hype.



<< i mean man bill gates has enough money to live 100 lives really well. He can buy anything the world he wants. all he got to do is name it and its his. I mean who needs more than 58 billion dollars
shhhhh
or even 1 billion
give me 1 million and i be happy and sell my company or shut it down. >>


That isn't the point. Stealing is stealing, no matter how rich the person is. If you take what is someone else's than you have stole something. It's this decline in lack of morals that contributes to the decay of our nation as a whole.

FWIW
When I say morals I don't necessarily mean it in a religious sense. Morals are not necessarily tied to religon. I wanted to make that clear so we didn't stray off topic,and head toward a religion debate. There's been enough of threads that stray off topic in this forum today.

 

[WyteWatt]

Psychoholic

true
very true

But dont you think he has enough money to live good? lol

 

[BreakApart]

<< Psychoholic wrote:
Solutions to stop piracy aren't foolproof but they have to stop somewhere. >>




That's our point exactly!!!
Did you read the ZDNET article i posted in the other thread? Legal user, legal software, no hardware changes-yet it locked him out. So when will it stop?


You want the truth?
The truth is MS is using this &quot;activation&quot; user info as a stepping stone to its next OS. The next OS will collect all your info, credit card#s, habits, and purchases. Then it will HELP you with advertising, and selling your info to third parties.

STOP pretending MS is our best friend. As YOU have stated over 15 times now MS is out to make all the money they can. This we all agree on, but how far do we have to let this go before we speak out?

So, get real MS is looking towards the future when they can make HUGE money selling your info to vendors. Example: this person has a geforce-3, we should allow our Geforce#5 vendor to buy advertising time to sent to his computer.

 

[skace]

Psych,


<< That's nice, but what happens when the legimate owner fires up his computer and a person who make an illegal copy, without the knowledge of the legimate owner, is already verified as the user. Then the person who pays for the software doesn't get to use it. >>

Although that would be an interesting situation, The point is that the way I listed was one that has already been used by multiple games and shown it can work. The one MS is using is destined for failure. Which one would you pick to start off at? Anyways, how many times have you seen someone break into your house to steal a CD key to an operating system and then leave.


<< Has Microsoft forced people to upgrade from DOS???? >>


Lol, you honestly believe DOS is a viable solution for the needs of today? Sorry boss, I couldn't get that write-up done - I only run DOS at home. Microsoft has forced people to continue upgrading to maintain the best compatability. Otherwise they might as well be using a VAX.

 

[WyteWatt]

Well i wont be going to Windows XP to find out hehe.
i will let other people go and see what happens. If many go to Windows XP at all.