man dies after NYPD cop puts him in chokehold

[Sinsear]

When you see it

 

[QueBert]

I believe police are taught that when someone (particularly someone with a long rap sheet and who is physically gargantuan) begins to get belligerent and starts to resist arrest, the priority is to subdue that person as fast as they possibly can.

I think they're taught this because of how quickly things can go south, and an officer can end up injured or dead, if they hesitate.

A person who is facing arrest can often be a very desperate and violent individual because of that situation. Hence the old "I can't go back to jail" line hardened criminals are stereotypically known for saying as they do whatever it takes to avoid apprehension.

Now, I fully agree that Mr. Garner's violation was minor, but I don't think this sort of life saving police training allows for such considerations. For it to work, it has to get to the point where it is almost a reflex for them. Someone starts getting rowdy? Take them down instantly and forcefully.

How many rookie officers have learned this the hard way when a suspect pulled a hidden weapon or even grabbed the officer's own gun? It happens.

Regardless of it the method they use to subdue the person isn't legal right?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Choke hold by cop ruled as cause of death.
Fan, meet fecal matter.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The New York City medical examiner's office Friday confirmed what demonstrators had been saying for weeks: A police officer's choke hold on a man being arrested for selling loose cigarettes killed him. The death has been ruled a homicide.

Good, it was painfully obvious to anyone that this cop went beyond reasonable force in subduing the suspect. May the full weight of the law be carried down on him and any other responsible parties.

 

[smackababy]

Choke hold by cop ruled as cause of death.
Fan, meet fecal matter.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Good, it was painfully obvious to anyone that this cop went beyond reasonable force in subduing the suspect. May the full weight of the law be carried down on him and any other responsible parties.

They don't give a link to the report or the actual verbiage used... Why in the world I expected that to be part of a story is beyond me though...

 

[SpatiallyAware]

"There was no immediate reaction from Garner's family but they were expected to speak at a Harlem rally with the the Rev. Al Sharpton"


=instant loss of credibility

 

[Victorian Gray]

They don't give a link to the report or the actual verbiage used... Why in the world I expected that to be part of a story is beyond me though...

There are direct quotes from the examiner's office in the article such as this one:

"The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The death was ruled a homicide."

and as the report has yet to be officially released why would you expect a direct link at this point?

 

[werepossum]

They don't give a link to the report or the actual verbiage used... Why in the world I expected that to be part of a story is beyond me though...

lol American journalism - we don't need to give you unbiased facts or useful context, we're already telling you what to feel about it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

lol American journalism - we don't need to give you unbiased facts or useful context, we're already telling you what to feel about it.

Same answer I gave above:

There are direct quotes from the examiner's office in the article such as this one:

"The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The death was ruled a homicide."

and as the report has yet to be officially released why would you expect a direct link at this point?

 

[HomerJS]

Same answer I gave above:

There are direct quotes from the examiner's office in the article such as this one:

"The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The death was ruled a homicide."

and as the report has yet to be officially released why would you expect a direct link at this point?

official

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death/index.html

Next problem jurisdiction is Staten Island and a grand jury will hear this case. SI has a history of dismissing these type of cases. I won't go there myself you can look it up.

 

[Attic]

The reasons it's a corrupt nation of laws is because the rules are selectively applied. Given this is the clear case in many many areas, I don't expect this norm to change, in this case particularly.

The corruption of language and thought in the case will be to make out the dead man as having deserved it while not explicitly stating "he deserved it". In other words, it will be the defense of the indefensible. We should be used to this perversion of language and thought given the forum here and daily topics.

 

[SandEagle]

When you see it

i think i see it. he's choking the guy in the picturez?

 

[dmcowen674]

Choke hold by cop ruled as cause of death.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Good, it was painfully obvious to anyone that this cop went beyond reasonable force in subduing the suspect.

May the full weight of the law be carried down on him and any other responsible parties.

It was and is not obvious to the Authoritarian and America Hater supporters in here.

A lot of disgusting people populate this place.

 

[dmcowen674]

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Speaking as somebody with a very low post count, what does post count have to do with anything? What's wrong with simply stating your disagreement with an internet forum post and backing it up with facts and/or logic? You do have facts and/or logic, right?

And how is a low post count indicative of shillitude? Since shills like to shill a lot, wouldn't a shill actually have a very high post count...say 53,271+ posts? And wouldn't a shill resort to personal attacks and irrelevant/insulting comments about post counts? That's something I didn't see in the "shill's" post that you quoted. I did see it somewhere though. Can you guess where?

I think I kind of agree with your viewpoint on this particular issue based on the current facts that I have...I just think you are choosing to present your viewpoint in the way that I'd expect an unintelligent douchebag to present their standpoint. I don't know you, but I have great hopes that you can do better in the future.

Yet another shill comes out of the woodwork.

Coroner ruled the choke as the cause of death.

Your buddy other shill buddy Random admitted to being biased having multiple family members as cops.

What do you have to say for yourself now?

 

[dmcowen674]

100 posts isn't that many... and over half of them are on my own threads on illegal immigration and those in the love and relationship forum without any relation to cops at all...

do I feel protective of cops and a little more biased in their favor - probably, since a lot of my family are cops (city or state)

and I know how they do their job and I know the cops and their families that are in their offices - and I recognize that I am a bit biased... I probably should not think every cop is like one of them - but the majority of them are I believe... and I think if more people had cops in their family they would understand cops a little better - just like if everyone had a military person in their family they probably would understand them a bit better.

Well thank you for being an honest shill.

 

[QueBert]

How could the cause of death be choking? Multiple people in this thread went out their way to CLEARLY point out Mr. Garner couldn't have actually unable to breath like he was yelling out. Because if you're being choked and can't breath you would be unable to speak! The medical examiner's office is probably wrong here, as I'd listen to the experts on P&N over basically any professional hands down.

 

[master_shake_]

How could the cause of death be choking? Multiple people in this thread went out their way to CLEARLY point out Mr. Garner couldn't have actually unable to breath like he was yelling out. Because if you're being choked and can't breath you would be unable to speak! The medical examiner's office is probably wrong here, as I'd listen to the experts on P&N over basically any professional hands down.

yay for sarcasm 😀

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

How could the cause of death be choking? Multiple people in this thread went out their way to CLEARLY point out Mr. Garner couldn't have actually unable to breath like he was yelling out. Because if you're being choked and can't breath you would be unable to speak! The medical examiner's office is probably wrong here, as I'd listen to the experts on P&N over basically any professional hands down.

you win the Internet for the day :thumbsup:

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Yet another shill comes out of the woodwork.

Coroner ruled the choke as the cause of death.

Your buddy other shill buddy Random admitted to being biased having multiple family members as cops.

What do you have to say for yourself now?

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The death was ruled a homicide

 

[QueBert]

I am a bit shocked and impressed they didn't go the P&N route and claim the reason he died was he was an overweight black male with Diabetes. Gotta love how when a dude is getting choked by the police on video plain as day. People on here still wanted to come up with reasons he died that weren't due to him being choked by a police officer.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I am a bit shocked and impressed they didn't go the P&N route and claim the reason he died was he was an overweight black male with Diabetes. Gotta love how when a dude is getting choked by the police on video plain as day. People on here still wanted to come up with reasons he died that weren't due to him being choked by a police officer.

Chest compression when he was down.

 

[Sinsear]

 

[Newell Steamer]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nyc-panel-nears-decision-police-chokehold-death-27237705

The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide caused in part by the chokehold. But police union officials and Pantaleo's lawyer have argued that the officer used a takedown move taught by the police department, not a chokehold, and that Garner's poor health was the main reason he died.

Wow,... that is some serious gall.

 

[Matt1970]

The problem with calling it a takedown move only, is once he is down, you let go of the stranglehold around his neck. If you don't, it now becomes a chokehold.

 

[Blanky]

The problem with calling it a takedown move only, is once he is down, you let go of the stranglehold around his neck. If you don't, it now becomes a chokehold.

Yep.

The guy looked like a future heart attack, and probably his health did contribute, but ultimately when you have this many cops and the guy isn't even being violent and one is actively choking him to death, I hold that cop primarily responsible for his death, and it was not warranted. It is not the first time a bunch of cops have basically crushed a person to the point of death, either. It's almost as if they don't appreciate that people need to breath. Forcing submission through limiting of oxygen works okay on movies but in real life it's damned dangerous.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Where's the personal responsibility? It's your personal responsibility to ensure you are fit to receive the beating.