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man dies after NYPD cop puts him in chokehold

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I agree that the Michael brown decision was the right one. This one is simply fucked up and a demonstrated failure of the basic tenet of protect and serve. this guy died because of police actions, not because of resisting or posing a threat to officer safety.
 
lotus503 said:
I agree that the Michael brown decision was the right one. This one is simply fucked up and a demonstrated failure of the basic tenet of protect and serve. this guy died because of police actions, not because of resisting or posing a threat to officer safety.
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No, he died because he's a tax dodging thug who scared the shit out of the five or six armed police officers who were surrounding him and who were scared for their lives.


/s
 
you only need 12 people out of 23 people on a grand jury to agree to indict in New York. That is a very low burden in my opinion. These people heard some of the evidence and chose not to indict (a majority of them). I probably would have voted to indict based on the video but I didn't hear/see all the evidence so I will defer to the grand jury's decision.
 
lotus503 said:
this guy died because of police actions, not because of resisting or posing a threat to officer safety.
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He technically resisted before the chokehold.

Not that I can find any reason to consciously allow such a deadly maneuver when clearly it was not a deadly force situation.

So basically, what you have is someone who used deadly force to respond to a defensively resisting person. There is if anything, at least some negligence/recklessness to the cause of death.

Now the big question is....was the chokehold the cause of death? Was it the asthma? I realize there is some news saying the med.examiner said it was a homicide, but do we know EVERYTHING that the prosecutors saw
 
chowderhead said:
you only need 12 people out of 23 people on a grand jury to agree to indict in new york. That is a very low burden in my opinion. These people heard some of the evidence and chose not to indict (a majority of them). I probably would have voted to indict based on the video but i didn't hear/see all the evidence so i will defer to the grand jury's decision.
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get out of here with your thoughtful opinion! No room! 😀
 
mizzou said:
He technically resisted before the chokehold.

Not that I can find any reason to consciously allow such a deadly maneuver when clearly it was not a deadly force situation.

So basically, what you have is someone who used deadly force to respond to a defensively resisting person. There is if anything, at least some negligence/recklessness to the cause of death.

Now the big question is....was the chokehold the cause of death? Was it the asthma? I realize there is some news saying the med.examiner said it was a homicide, but do we know EVERYTHING that the prosecutors saw
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The choke hold was against policy, that's a fact.
 
HomerJS said:
What do you mean now?

Its already been shown if a black man does exactly what the cops say he still gets shot.
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Have you not seen the video?

It was excessive force. The guy said he could not breath while ON THE GROUND NOT HARMING anyone. The guy was like a beached whale out of the water while on the ground. No need to continue doing a banned choke hold in that instance.

How can you dismiss those facts?
 
Remobz said:
Have you not seen the video?

It was excessive force. The guy said he could not breath while ON THE GROUND NOT HARMING anyone. The guy was like a beached whale out of the water while on the ground. No need to continue doing a banned choke hold in that instance.

How can you dismiss those facts?
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You will also note that even when he was put in a choke hold he kept his hands up, you can see in the video he consciously resisted resisting and put his left arm back up.


Oh and I think you quotes the wrong person.
 
Remobz said:
Have you not seen the video?

It was excessive force. The guy said he could not breath while ON THE GROUND NOT HARMING anyone. The guy was like a beached whale out of the water while on the ground. No need to continue doing a banned choke hold in that instance.

How can you dismiss those facts?
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huh?
 
mizzou said:
He technically resisted before the chokehold.

Not that I can find any reason to consciously allow such a deadly maneuver when clearly it was not a deadly force situation.

So basically, what you have is someone who used deadly force to respond to a defensively resisting person. There is if anything, at least some negligence/recklessness to the cause of death.

Now the big question is....was the chokehold the cause of death? Was it the asthma? I realize there is some news saying the med.examiner said it was a homicide, but do we know EVERYTHING that the prosecutors saw
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Yes I agree it fell in line with resisting initially. My point was he didn't die because of resisting arrest, he died because of police conduct.
 
think it's time to go back to the Black Panther days.

Cop: Let me see your ID
Panther: Pulls out gun, naw, let me see yours.

😀
 
ivwshane said:
The choke hold was against policy, that's a fact.
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Then I do find it interesting he was not at least indicted with negligent manslaughter. I guess the evidence just wasn't there.

All this fucking outrage on Twitter, people need to be looking at themselves (the people who make up a jury) and ask them, why are WE not finding criminal fault?
 
mizzou said:
Then I do find it interesting he was not at least indicted with negligent manslaughter. I guess the evidence just wasn't there.

All this fucking outrage on Twitter, people need to be looking at themselves (the people who make up a jury) and ask them, why are WE not finding criminal fault?
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Well my understanding is that this prosecutor did another ferguson, a data dump. Luckily we will get to see the info they used to come to their conclusion.



I just saw Michael Steele say something profound, he said and I'll paraphrase, 'it's said that you can indict a ham sandwich, well apparently, based on ferguson and this decision, a black mans life isn't worth a ham sandwich'.






Just a note: while race is an issue, the bigger issue isn't just about race, it's about an overreach of police and a lack of A) accountability B) lack of transparency. The data is surprisingly scarce with regards to police conduct (ie how many police have killed people).
 
ivwshane said:
You will also note that even when he was put in a choke hold he kept his hands up, you can see in the video he consciously resisted resisting and put his left arm back up.


Oh and I think you quotes the wrong person.
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I agree that his BIG size and resisting at first played against him. It is one thing being average size and black but being BIG and black rings the alarm bells so to speak. I imagine the police felt that strong arm tactics were required in such a case.

My issue is this. Why couldn't the Police Officer at least lessen his grip when the man said he could not breath?

As a Police officer he knew that grip could kill a man so why not lessen it a little? Why continue to keep a tight grip that he knew could kill a man (who was already complaining)?
 
Oyeve said:
Has a f*cking cop EVER been indicted on stuff like this? I hate cops. I really do.
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Sadly the info isn't tracked. Yes police have been indicted but if you listen to those that have prosecuted cops you'll hear the faintest of acknowledgment that they are rarely if ever indicted for manslaughter or similar charges. Cops are normally indicted for corruption charges.


While this situation and the results will disgust almost anyone, it's not enough for me to hate all cops. There are simply too many police officers in this country to rule them all pieces of shit. Sadly though, the police culture doesn't allow for good cops to snitch on bad cops.
 
I'm sure our resident police apologist will explain how this was all legal and a good, and how this isn't indicative of any bigger issue of police brutality and their ability to get away with it.

So an unauthorized takedown is used, guy pleads that he can't breathe, and the police let him die. And no charges filed. Just another black man killed.
 
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