anyone who saysHe's lucky he plays for the Yanks. Nobody would give a him a second look if he didn't is automatically disqualified from having their baseball-related opinions mean anything.....
Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Considering the Yankees have about 20+ WS title and the Redsox has none since 1918, I think is pretty much a given Yankee = better than the Redsox
Well if every team spent the same amount as the Yankees to buy their championships that wouldn't be the case.
And I'm not a Red Sox fan, and I don't even care for baseball...
not true, look at the mets.
Originally posted by: Lifer
Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Considering the Yankees have about 20+ WS title and the Redsox has none since 1918, I think is pretty much a given Yankee = better than the Redsox
Well if every team spent the same amount as the Yankees to buy their championships that wouldn't be the case.
And I'm not a Red Sox fan, and I don't even care for baseball...
not true, look at the mets.
The Mets don't spend the same amount of money that the Yankees do. The Yankees are the only team this year that is over the luxury tax mark.
Soriano was bought. Not many teams would spend a few million on a player that was completely unproven. He's willing to spend more money b/c he has a larger revenue stream from his team than any other team.
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They spent money on him because they have really good scouting who saw the potential in him. Other people weren't willing to take the chance. He was horrible when he first came up.
George has a bigger revenue stream because he puts a really good product on the field year after year. It's smart business, and he's willing to make the investment. Who's to say if other teams spent money, they wouldn't get the big TV contracts a few years down the line?
Are you kidding? Jeter's contract gives him an average of almost $19 million/year. The Yankees have some signficant backloaded contracts.
$189 million is not decent money for a player of Jeter's abilities. He's a good player, but not worth $19 million a year. If Jeter is worth $19 million/year, then AROD is easily worth $25 million/year.
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The Mets? LOL... they spent 64 Million less and take 2nd place, and teams with higher payrolls aren't going to ALWAYS win it. You say it like it's a law of nature (it's a trend), lol. Note that this $64 million difference between #1 and 2 is about the budget of THIRTEEN teams. That's close to 50% of the league for Christ's sake!Originally posted by: Lifer
Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Considering the Yankees have about 20+ WS title and the Redsox has none since 1918, I think is pretty much a given Yankee = better than the Redsox
Well if every team spent the same amount as the Yankees to buy their championships that wouldn't be the case.
And I'm not a Red Sox fan, and I don't even care for baseball...
not true, look at the mets.
He obviously would not be as famous - I think he would be like Vidro or Abreu in terms of popularity and acknowledgement.
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Oh please. How many players in the league would have made the play to the plate that he did a couple of years back to get Jeremy Giambi? The guy is a heads up, solid fundamental, leader and player. He'd make a great manager one day.
That doesn't eliminate the fact that he was actually bought over other teams b/c the Yankees were willing to spend $3.1 million on him. Not many teams would have the money to do that. It's not like Soriano was the only 'prospect' that the Yankees bought. What about El Duquecito, Morales, Henson, etc? Don't try to make it like he wasn't bought.
George has a bigger revenue stream for the same reason that the Mets have a bigger revenue stream than the A's. It's called the market size.
Oh please, if he played for the Royals, he OBVIOUSLY would not be as famous. He's a good player, but so are players like Vidro or Abreu. This is not a 'knock' on Jeter - he's a good player, one of the best SS in the game. However, if he wasn't on the Yankees or any other big market team, then he wouldn't be as well known.
Just because someone's home grown, doesn't mean that money does help that. There is a reason why they have
so many home grown stars. Because not only do they pay for alot of "potential talent" which they have, but if it
really becomes good, they have the money to keep it.
Do say that other owners have more money than Steinbrenner is easy. He isn't Bill Gates. however he spent 180 million
this year. And teh Yankees made money. While alot of teams either made who spent less, either made little or lost money.
San Fran has to cut payroll because they lost money. Do forget the YES network makes alot of money for the Yankees.
And that money goes into helping making the Yankees better.
Its true that just having a high payroll will make you good isn't true, but it doesn't hurt either. If the Yankees want a player,
they will pay for him. No matter the price. They paid 32 million for Contreras, just so they Sox wouldn't get him. You know they
will pay for Vlad if they want him. And if Jeter wasn't a Yankee, ARod would be a Yankee making even more than what he is now.
The Yankees get the players they want. However not winning a World Series is a failure. No other team is like that. While the
Sox might be mad to not get past the Yankees, they were not expected to win the world series, so while a disappointment,
its not failure. While if the Yankees don't win the World Series someone will get fired. Kind of odd when an owner expects titles.
so many home grown stars. Because not only do they pay for alot of "potential talent" which they have, but if it
really becomes good, they have the money to keep it.
Do say that other owners have more money than Steinbrenner is easy. He isn't Bill Gates. however he spent 180 million
this year. And teh Yankees made money. While alot of teams either made who spent less, either made little or lost money.
San Fran has to cut payroll because they lost money. Do forget the YES network makes alot of money for the Yankees.
And that money goes into helping making the Yankees better.
Its true that just having a high payroll will make you good isn't true, but it doesn't hurt either. If the Yankees want a player,
they will pay for him. No matter the price. They paid 32 million for Contreras, just so they Sox wouldn't get him. You know they
will pay for Vlad if they want him. And if Jeter wasn't a Yankee, ARod would be a Yankee making even more than what he is now.
The Yankees get the players they want. However not winning a World Series is a failure. No other team is like that. While the
Sox might be mad to not get past the Yankees, they were not expected to win the world series, so while a disappointment,
its not failure. While if the Yankees don't win the World Series someone will get fired. Kind of odd when an owner expects titles.
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If it's just market size, then the Mets should have the same payroll as the Yankees. They don't, why? If the owner is just not willing to spend, then screw him if they can't win. But if he can't afford it, then why can the Yankees afford it? Probably because of the TV contracts. Why do the Yankees get such big TV money? Because people want to watch a good team, a winner. And that's only because George is willing to pay the money. (I realize that now with the YES network things are a little different, but the concept is the same.)
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What does Nomar make again? (Hint: 10.5)... Now either he's severely underpaid, or Jeter's overpaid. After all, Nomar hits alot better than Jeter.
Jeter also makes more than anyone on the Boston team. Yet NINE Boston players had more RBI's than him. Look up overpaid in the dictionary, and you'll see the Yankees logo under it.
Well it's not only market size, as you just illustrated. Even when losing, I'm sure that the Yankees (and to a lesser extent the Mets/Red Sox/etc) would have a significantly larger revenue stream than a team like the A's.
Ummm...I was saying that Jeter is overpaid with his $19 million/year on average contract. Actually, this year Nomar was not a better hitter than Jeter. However, I guess you could say that he was a little better if you factor in defense as STATISTICALLY, Jeter is usually ranked fairly low.
If Garciaparra was a free agent today, he would probably make more than $10.5 million. He signed this contract a while ago.
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Well then, I go back to my original point. Maybe if the A's made a big investment and spent alot of money, they'd become winners year in and year out. If that happened, maybe people would want to watch them. If people want to watch them, then they get the big TV money too. Then they can compete with the Yankees on a level playing field.
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Yes, that's why I said 'to a lesser extent'.
Although I'm a fan of a big market baseball team, I wish things were a little more even between the small market teams and the big market teams. I don't think that a small market team, even after winning 4 WS in a row, would be able to significantly increase their base market size to support the team enough to consistently spend $100 million more.
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