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Man apparently seeking help killed by police

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I feel really sorry for people like you. So much anger and so little understanding.

I feel sorry for those incapable of expecting to be treated the same as everyone else. No one above another. So much delusion and blind trust.

Police officers are trained that if you pull your weapon and fire, you unload the clip. The point being that if an officer feels the need to use deadly force, then make sure the attacker cannot hurt you. I.e., use deadly force. That is why headlines like "XXX number of shots fired at victim" are very misleading. ANY headline or article that counts the number of shots fired has an agenda.

Training doesn't excuse an immoral act. Try again.

Of course, because you choose to not educate yourself on the training that is supplied to officers of the law, you don't understand that at all.

Of course, because you choose not to educate yourself in moral principles, you cannot understand this at all.

The mistake here is that he pulled the gun and started firing it. The lawful definition of murder is not met. The definition of manslaughter is. The office is being charged with the correct crime - an essentially accidental death caused by a mistake he made. The same law would be applied to a civilian who killed someone with their car through negligence.

Except we aren't talking about a car wreck. Does the same apply to a civilian who feels threatened and shoots a cop 10 times? The leap you have to make to justify this act is very telling.

However, I don't expect you to understand that. You already seem to have fully seated an ignorant view of the event in your mind, and to hell with the facts.

And I don't expect you to understand either. You've never been taught to expect to be treated as an equal when "authority" is involved. What you see is a man of the "law" doing his duty and just so happened to make a mistake. Yet that very same "mistake" cannot be committed by a civilian on an officer and expect the same result.

You seem to have had your mind twisted to where you cannot think clearly and to hell with morality.
 
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The darker the skin tone, the more bullets will come your way.

I can only assume that the cops associate black people with a threat. THink about it. If there is a robber in the neighborhood, WTF would he charge a group of police officers? Doesn't make any sense. It only makes sense if the cops associate all black people with criminal mischief. That way, if they see one, they feel threatened and pull out the hammer.
 
Oh make no mistake, we remember that mistakes and errors do happen and that nobody is perfect. However the vast majority of us also know that those mistakes and errors carry consequences depending on how big said mistake and error is.

When said single mistake ends another persons life and is completely negligent, yeah thats kinda the way it works.

Do you say the same thing about drunk drivers who accidentally kill someone?

And why the hell shouldn't they? I couldn't think of a better example of a wrongful death by a police officer that wasn't actually murder or some premeditated act. Why exactly do you think the family should pay for the negligent mistake of a police officer employed by the state?

I'm going to try to draw a line of distinction, to see where you really fall. What you say is in moderation and makes sense. The guy should lose his job. The guy should be charged with manslaughter. But what you're responding to is my response to StateofMind's nonsense. He's taking the standpoint that this was murder. It wasn't: it wasn't premeditated, it was accidental. There's a whole heap of difference between the two. He's arguing the extremist point of view, but judging from you post I don't think you are. In my opinion, it's ok to be angry. It's not OK to pull the nuclear option when it isn't warranted.

I'll reiterate, again, that police are taught that if you shoot your gun you don't stop shooting. So waving around the number of shots fired is really just rhetoric to try to inflame people.

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I'm going to go on a tangent for a moment. Look at this article:
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/16/4486160/police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-in.html

It's factually correct. But it's written intentionally to inflame. The very first sentence states the man was unarmed and in a car accident. Factually correct. Even correct based on the timeline of what occurred. But by presenting that portion of the event first, it puts the reader in the position of immediately knowing the man was not a threat. So when you reach the second part of the sentence and find he was shot, your first response is anger.

If it were worded in an effort to allow the reader to understand how the events actually unfolded then the reactions would be a lot more neutral, unless of course you already have some bias one way or the other. It also doesn't make good reading if it's written like this:

"Policemen answering a call of an attempted house invasion were approached by a man fitting the invaders description. After attempting to tase the man with no effect, he was shot at close range by another officer."

Now you can go about explaining all the extenuating circumstances and post the pictures of him when he's 12 years old all dressed up, or in his nice football getup. It's amazing how different a person looks in a nice posed picture versus in the dark, in the middle of the night, in a situation where police were on the scene expecting a house invader.

It's unfortunate that so many reporters and editors choose this method of maintaining or generating reader interest. Anger is always the best way to get people to comment, so they exploit it. As a result these cases are tried in the court of public opinion in whatever manner the media wishes.

I wish people would think very, very hard about their reactions to this event. Is it right to be angry? Or is it right to be sad for the tragedy, and resovled to see that the justice system follows through on trying the policeman?
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The darker the skin tone, the more bullets will come your way.

I can only assume that the cops associate black people with a threat. THink about it. If there is a robber in the neighborhood, WTF would he charge a group of police officers? Doesn't make any sense. It only makes sense if the cops associate all black people with criminal mischief. That way, if they see one, they feel threatened and pull out the hammer.

Holy fuck. Are you for real? Tell me this is sarcasm.
 
I'm sure he was up to no good. Probably wearing a hoodie to conceal positive ID. I bet his earrings were stolen too. Probably his car, too.
 
Well, if you always look for racism, then I'm sure you'll find it. Ask Sharpton and Mr. Jackson.

Since you chose not to respond to my post. I'll make it easy for you. I will be floored if you answer. I'm not holding my breath.


If a regular joe shoots a cop 10 times does he get manslaughter?
 
Well, if you always look for racism, then I'm sure you'll find it. Ask Sharpton and Mr. Jackson.

Listen, racism exists. It's real. I don't need to ask two bottom feeders because I see how police treat blacks vs whites here.
 
If a regular joe shoots a cop 10 times does he get manslaughter?

No. He probably mysteriously ends up getting beaten half to death on the car ride to the station. You don't kill a cop and get away with it. Accidentally or otherwise. Wish it was the same for cops that gun down civilians chasing a crazy guy through the streets and those who would shoot someone 10 times for running towards them. They said the asshole didn't even identify himself as an officer. Fuck him.

These cops think they can do whatever the fuck they want. Shame on the bitch that called the cops and said the kid was trying to break into her house. Im sure he didn't just bang on her door without saying a word about what was happening. Some of that kid's blood is on her hands.
 
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I feel really sorry for people like you. So much anger and so little understanding.

Police officers are trained that if you pull your weapon and fire, you unload the clip. The point being that if an officer feels the need to use deadly force, then make sure the attacker cannot hurt you. I.e., use deadly force. That is why headlines like "XXX number of shots fired at victim" are very misleading. ANY headline or article that counts the number of shots fired has an agenda.

Of course, because you choose to not educate yourself on the training that is supplied to officers of the law, you don't understand that at all.

That is terrible training. That's an execution and an accident away from a stray bullet from hitting a bystander.
 
That is terrible training. That's an execution and an accident away from a stray bullet from hitting a bystander.

Already happened in NYC a few days ago. Dumb-Dumb cops wielding guns chasing a dude through NYC and they decided to shoot while there were hundreds of people around. One of the people hit was an old lady.
 
That is terrible training. That's an execution and an accident away from a stray bullet from hitting a bystander.
Agreed. In Chattanooga (actually East Ridge for those who know the area) there was an old man who had been involved in a domestic dispute and was sitting on his porch with a shotgun in his lap. At one point he shifted or lifted it and warfare commenced, the cops firing (if memory serves) almost seventy rounds and not only killing him and striking his house but actually striking two other houses. At this point the man presented little or no actual threat to anyone given a shotgun's range and lack of sights. Besides the case SheHateMe presents, there was another not too long ago where the cop's fire killed the perp, but also the hostage he was nominally there to save.

Cops need to be trained like Marines, to use well-aimed, measured fire. Today too often it's more like suppressive fire.
 
tip #1. Don't run towards anyone, especially the police and more so especially if its dark out. It's just no safe to do so.

That aside, if the man was hurt, he should have just laid there and yelled help me or something. Sounds like both were a couple of dumbasses which never helps when one encounters the other.
Its easy to judge...dumbasses judge...so the guy should have just layed there and died??
 
No, if you are injured, you lay still. dumbasses. You don't move if you are that badly injured! You can't be that stupid to justify things that no doctor nor right minded individual would advise. You can further injure yourself or cause others to improperly react. god that's so stupid. You do just enough to go for help, you end it there.

that depends on the severity of the injuries and if there is someone else involved. there have been cases where people have been trapped in cars for days because the car could not be seen from the road. and if there is someone else in the car with you who may be more severely injured then you had better go find help even if it's flagging down a car on the road. just sitting there waiting for help that may never come is not a good idea.
 
I'm going to try to draw a line of distinction, to see where you really fall. What you say is in moderation and makes sense. The guy should lose his job. The guy should be charged with manslaughter. But what you're responding to is my response to StateofMind's nonsense. He's taking the standpoint that this was murder. It wasn't: it wasn't premeditated, it was accidental. There's a whole heap of difference between the two. He's arguing the extremist point of view, but judging from you post I don't think you are. In my opinion, it's ok to be angry. It's not OK to pull the nuclear option when it isn't warranted.

When you draw your weapon and fire off 12 rounds and 10 of them hit the target your shooting at, it's murder. Their was an intent to stop/kill the "suspect". It's going to be hard to argue that the gun accidentally discharged 12 times. 😀
 
When you draw your weapon and fire off 12 rounds and 10 of them hit the target your shooting at, it's murder. Their was an intent to stop/kill the "suspect". It's going to be hard to argue that the gun accidentally discharged 12 times. 😀

In court in Charlotte, all he has to say is that a big black man was running towards him. EVERYONE will know what that means...
 
Don't run toward cops. They're not there to help you, they're there to collect a paycheck. If you have to go towards them, it's best to put your hands behind your head or preferably, handcuff yourself first before dropping to the ground and slowly flop towards them as feebly as possible. But don't flop too fast, they might take that as a sign of aggression and accidentally discharge their weapon 12 times, reload, and accidentally discharge their weapon again.
 
When you draw your weapon and fire off 12 rounds and 10 of them hit the target your shooting at, it's murder. Their was an intent to stop/kill the "suspect". It's going to be hard to argue that the gun accidentally discharged 12 times. 😀
I don't know it was murder but it certainly wasn't accidental.

Seems to me that manslaughter should be an inadvertent or accidental but foreseeable death. Shooting someone ten times (while attempting to shoot them twelve times) is in no way inadvertent or accidental. That's just not survivable. I'd lean toward Murder 2, not premeditated but an intentional and unlawful homicide.

I have a lot of sympathy for cops, but if you're going to "protect and serve" you've got to accept some level of risk and not simply kill anyone running toward you. Otherwise you're just another predator. Of course, there's a flip side to that. http://www.odmp.org/officer/16270-police-officer-julie-rochelle-jacks
This cop refused to shoot a large man running toward her. He took away her gun and murdered her with it. I know which one of these cops I'd be and it's not Julie Rochelle Jacks, which is one big reason I'm not a cop.
 
Laws don't apply to "law enforcement" the same way it does to everyone else.

I found this sad and amusing at the same time.

After Tuesday's hearing, defence attorney Michael Greene said the officer's actions "were justified on the night in question", but declined to take questions.

and


"The evidence revealed that Mr. Ferrell did advance on Officer Kerrick and the investigation showed that the subsequent shooting of Mr. Ferrell was excessive," police said in a statement issued late Saturday night. "Our investigation has shown that Officer Kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during this encounter."

All three officers were placed on paid leave.

and

http://www.wcnc.com/news/crime/Lawyer-CMPD-officer-was-justified-in-shooting-man-224105871.html

"It's not a justified shooting, especially when the two officers flanking you don't shoot at all. And the sequence of shooting-- four shots, pause -- shot six more times, pause -- shot twice more. That's not justified," said attorney Christopher Chestnut, who represents the family.

Chestnut was at the courthouse to monitor Tuesday's developments.

He says the family met with CMPD Chief Rodney Monroe Monday, and was allowed to see dash cam video of the incident.

It's called murder. No other way to see it. This double standard BS needs to fucking stop.

If I get pulled over here I'm throwing my hands outside the window and when the pig walks up and asks why I'll tell him "With you itchy trigger finger motherfuckers I want to make sure you don't mistaken my steering wheel for a fucking weapon".
 
Im looking for that liveleak video where the cops raided the wrong house, came bursting through the front door, guns blazing. Someone was home and ran out to see what the commotion was about...they gave the guy like 2 seconds to comply with "HANDS UP" before they open fired on him in his hallway.
 
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