Man apparently seeking help killed by police

[werepossum]

Protect and serve.


How come nobody has reported how dumbass cops gunned down a few bystanders yesterday while they were trying to chase someone else?

One of the people they shot was a lady with a walker. Minding her own damn business and gets shot down by retard cops.

LOL I saw that. "Look, he's trying to get hit by a car. Let's shoot him! So he, um, doesn't get hit by a car . . ."

Ought to be a DAMN good reason to shoot on a crowded street.

 

[HumblePie]

Wow, massive over reaction and bad decision by the officers on the scene. They seriously need better training. Shoot first and ask questions later is NOT the proper response ever by an officer. I get very sad when I see shit like this.

 

[HeXen]

Both? No, I doubt it. Seems a pretty clear cut case of rife police ineptness resulting in death of a guy. Further I will assume that his size and color played into their decision, since I need to find SOME motivation for how a guy after a car accident ends up dead in a situation like this.

The first mistake was almost certainly tazing him. I can't imagine that was warranted whatsoever. I assume big black guy running at night lets get the tazer out!

A lot of assumptions are to be made here. But running towards anyone in general isn't a good idea but if it's dark, your running in a threatening manner..etc then becomes just plain stupid.

Again, we can assume anything but the officer didn't just tazer, then shoot the guy because he thought the situation was cool...something made him feel threatened. LIke I said, they are BOTH dumbasses and the officer more at fault than the injured guy but still, injured or not there are certain things you just don't do whether you speak the language or not. If i'm injured that bad, i'm just going to fcking lay there and wait for assistance, not take off and run towards anyone.

 

[Darwin333]

tip #1. Don't run towards anyone, especially the police and more so especially if its dark out. It's just no safe to do so.

That aside, if the man was hurt, he should have just laid there and yelled help me or something. Sounds like both were a couple of dumbasses which never helps when one encounters the other.

Tip #2. Don't shoot someone who isn't a clear and present danger to you or someone else. Someone running towards you, in the context of the incident, was not a clear and present danger.

I am impressed that the officer was actually charged with voluntary manslaughter. Usually they get a paid vacation and then are out back on the streets.

 

[OverVolt]

I wouldn't taze someone charging at me honestly I wouldn't trust that it would work in time.

Its really unfortunate for the guy and I will definitely remember this. The cop at the same time is no doubt a little trigger happy though. I consider myself to have good judgement in situations like that but not everyone does. Maybe the cop has a bit of PTSD from an earlier, similar incident you never really know.

 

[Darwin333]

Probably just a simple mistake. The police obviously didn't understand the situation. The guy did not clearly communicate what the problem was. It's really sad, but sometimes bad things happen.

A simple mistake????

When an innocent and unarmed person seeking help is shot and killed by the police there is nothing "simple" about it nor is it a "mistake", it is a crime.

 

[her209]

He was shot 10 times. God damn!

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/16/4486160/police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-in.html

 

[woolfe9998]

A simple mistake????

When an innocent and unarmed person seeking help is shot and killed by the police there is nothing "simple" about it nor is it a "mistake", it is a crime.

There is such a thing as committing an error which is reasonable under the circumstances. This might not be that situation. Even the cops' own investigation found this to be an unjustified shoot. Still, it isn't automatically a crime just because the person was unarmed and innocent.

 

[OverVolt]

A simple mistake????

When an innocent and unarmed person seeking help is shot and killed by the police there is nothing "simple" about it nor is it a "mistake", it is a crime.

I would have to see the cop myself to make a judgement call. It could have been a mistake or he could be trigger happy. People who know him might be thinking "this was bound to happen someday" or feel sorry for him because he was in a messed up situation. You'd have to know him to make a good judgement, I dunno.

 

[NoStateofMind]

A lot of assumptions are to be made here. But running towards anyone in general isn't a good idea but if it's dark, your running in a threatening manner..etc then becomes just plain stupid.

Your synopsis works in only one direction. A "law enforcer" is deemed to have the right to defend himself against those who "look threatening" but dare a civilian use the same retort and he'll find his ass in a sling before sundown.

Again, we can assume anything but the officer didn't just tazer, then shoot the guy because he thought the situation was cool...something made him feel threatened. LIke I said, they are BOTH dumbasses and the officer more at fault than the injured guy but still, injured or not there are certain things you just don't do whether you speak the language or not. If i'm injured that bad, i'm just going to fcking lay there and wait for assistance, not take off and run towards anyone.

The let's not assume anymore. We now know that the officer fired 12 shots and hit 10 times. He has been charged with manslaughter which he will probably plea down to a couple years max and the "city" (read that as "law abiding tax payers") will foot the lawsuit bill. Switch the roles and have the cop shot ten times out of twelve and the charge won't be manslaughter, it would be murder. Do you see the double standard?

The NAACP is claiming this is racism and thats why it happened. Sadly this misses the mark. Black people in general are so jaded from recent history they can't see past their own color and recognize that all of us are under the thumb of those who believe they have more rights than others (authority). Until whats good for the goose is good for the gander that will never change.

 

[OverVolt]

He was shot 10 times. God damn!

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/16/4486160/police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-in.html

They are trained to unload the magazine AFAIK.

 

[NoStateofMind]

There is such a thing as committing an error which is reasonable under the circumstances. This might not be that situation. Even the cops' own investigation found this to be an unjustified shoot. Still, it isn't automatically a crime just because the person was unarmed and innocent.

LMFAO! Only in "legal land" would such a thing be considered an "error" and not what the fuck it truly is....murder.

 

[Pulsar]

I wonder at point people in this country will re-learn the fact that mistake and errors do happen, and that nobody is perfect.

Because right now there are a whole shitload of people who believe that a single mistake should ruin your life. That just compounds the tragedy of an accident like this one, because now two people lose their lives rather than just one. See 'nostateofmind' in the prior post for a perfect example, as well as a perfect example of someone who has no clue what murder is versus manslaughter.

I wonder how long it will be before the family files wrongful death to try to collect millions.

 

[werepossum]

LMFAO! Only in "legal land" would such a thing be considered an "error" and not what the fuck it truly is....murder.

He didn't say THIS SHOOT wasn't a crime, merely that it's possible, and it certainly is.

We all need to approach cops just like any other armed person we might encounter. In fact, we need to treat cops more gingerly, for the cop not only expects someone to try to kill him, he also knows he enjoys some presumption of innocence should he shoot someone. Therefore a cop is probably more dangerous than a civilian randomly (legally) carrying a gun. In this case, this man may have been stunned or seeking help for someone else.

 

[woolfe9998]

LMFAO! Only in "legal land" would such a thing be considered an "error" and not what the fuck it truly is....murder.

What are you even talking about? Are you saying it is literally impossible to kill an innocent person unless it is "murder?"

Note, I wasn't talking about this case in particular. I was rejecting the idea that the victim being innocent automatically makes the shooting a crime.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I wonder at point people in this country will re-learn the fact that mistake and errors do happen, and that nobody is perfect.

Mistakes happen. Murders don't.

Because right now there are a whole shitload of people who believe that a single mistake should ruin your life. That just compounds the tragedy of an accident like this one, because now two people lose their lives rather than just one. See 'nostateofmind' in the prior post for a perfect example, as well as a perfect example of someone who has no clue what murder is versus manslaughter.

In your beloved "legal land" officers are not held to the same standard as us "common folk". How do you get 12 shots as a mistake? Did he slip, fall and pull the trigger 12 times or what? For someone who apparently didn't read the thread before mouthing off (at least I hope so for your sake) please explain how this is manslaughter and not murder. The answer? Its an "officer of the law" and not one of the serfs.

I wonder how long it will be before the family files wrongful death to try to collect millions.

Does that bother you? A coward kills an unarmed man who was seeking help. How dare the family that lost him seek compensation! Stay in your place!

 

[HeXen]

Your synopsis works in only one direction. A "law enforcer" is deemed to have the right to defend himself against those who "look threatening" but dare a civilian use the same retort and he'll find his ass in a sling before sundown.



The let's not assume anymore. We now know that the officer fired 12 shots and hit 10 times. He has been charged with manslaughter which he will probably plea down to a couple years max and the "city" (read that as "law abiding tax payers") will foot the lawsuit bill. Switch the roles and have the cop shot ten times out of twelve and the charge won't be manslaughter, it would be murder. Do you see the double standard?

The NAACP is claiming this is racism and thats why it happened. Sadly this misses the mark. Black people in general are so jaded from recent history they can't see past their own color and recognize that all of us are under the thumb of those who believe they have more rights than others (authority). Until whats good for the goose is good for the gander that will never change.

What are you debating here? They are both dumbasses. Your making it out like the injured guy did the most intelligent behavior possible.

 

[NoStateofMind]

What are you even talking about? Are you saying it is literally impossible to kill an innocent person unless it is "murder?"

All I am trying to point out here is that your "error" scenario only goes in one direction. No such thing exists for serfs. At least not when a "law enforcement officer" is on the receiving end.

 

[NoStateofMind]

What are you debating here? They are both dumbasses.

Wrecking your car and seeking help a dumbass does not make.

Also I don't know if anyone has heard but apparently when the guy went to the house and asked for help she went nuts, dialed 911 and claimed that she was being robbed or some such. Only heard it on the radio so I don't know if its true or not.

 

[Darwin333]

I consider myself to have good judgement in situations like that but not everyone does.

If you can't make good judgement calls on who to shoot and who not to shoot then police officer is not the career for you.

In this situation, "bad judgement call" is another word for criminal negligence.

Maybe the cop has a bit of PTSD from an earlier, similar incident you never really know.

Again, shouldn't be a cop and if the above is true it would be even worse because he has knowledge beforehand that he can not make a good decision. Its like getting behind the wheel of a car drunk off your ass, you may not intend to kill anyone but your negligent actions put others in harms way and in this case caused the death of an innocent man.

 

[Darwin333]

What are you debating here? They are both dumbasses. Your making it out like the injured guy did the most intelligent behavior possible.

He was just involved in a major car accident and did absolutely nothing that any reasonable person would conclude would get you shot. Sure we can sit here in the comfort of our homes and say we would have done things differently but neither of us are in a state of shock from just being in a major accident. Again, I reiterate, the man did absolutely nothing to warrant the use of deadly force. Period. Full stop. End of story.

You or I do the exact same things under the exact same circumstances and we get charged with full on murder, as we should.

 

[HeXen]

He was just involved in a major car accident and did absolutely nothing that any reasonable person would conclude would get you shot. Sure we can sit here in the comfort of our homes and say we would have done things differently but neither of us are in a state of shock from just being in a major accident. Again, I reiterate, the man did absolutely nothing to warrant the use of deadly force. Period. Full stop. End of story.

You or I do the exact same things under the exact same circumstances and we get charged with full on murder, as we should.

No, if you are injured, you lay still. dumbasses. You don't move if you are that badly injured! You can't be that stupid to justify things that no doctor nor right minded individual would advise. You can further injure yourself or cause others to improperly react. god that's so stupid. You do just enough to go for help, you end it there.

 

[Pulsar]

Mistakes happen. Murders don't.



In your beloved "legal land" officers are not held to the same standard as us "common folk". How do you get 12 shots as a mistake? Did he slip, fall and pull the trigger 12 times or what? For someone who apparently didn't read the thread before mouthing off (at least I hope so for your sake) please explain how this is manslaughter and not murder. The answer? Its an "officer of the law" and not one of the serfs.



Does that bother you? A coward kills an unarmed man who was seeking help. How dare the family that lost him seek compensation! Stay in your place!

I feel really sorry for people like you. So much anger and so little understanding.

Police officers are trained that if you pull your weapon and fire, you unload the clip. The point being that if an officer feels the need to use deadly force, then make sure the attacker cannot hurt you. I.e., use deadly force. That is why headlines like "XXX number of shots fired at victim" are very misleading. ANY headline or article that counts the number of shots fired has an agenda.

Of course, because you choose to not educate yourself on the training that is supplied to officers of the law, you don't understand that at all.

The mistake here is that he pulled the gun and started firing it. The lawful definition of murder is not met. The definition of manslaughter is. The office is being charged with the correct crime - an essentially accidental death caused by a mistake he made. The same law would be applied to a civilian who killed someone with their car through negligence.

However, I don't expect you to understand that. You already seem to have fully seated an ignorant view of the event in your mind, and to hell with the facts.

 

[Darwin333]

I wonder at point people in this country will re-learn the fact that mistake and errors do happen, and that nobody is perfect.

Oh make no mistake, we remember that mistakes and errors do happen and that nobody is perfect. However the vast majority of us also know that those mistakes and errors carry consequences depending on how big said mistake and error is.

Because right now there are a whole shitload of people who believe that a single mistake should ruin your life.

When said single mistake ends another persons life and is completely negligent, yeah thats kinda the way it works.

That just compounds the tragedy of an accident like this one, because now two people lose their lives rather than just one.

Do you say the same thing about drunk drivers who accidentally kill someone?

I wonder how long it will be before the family files wrongful death to try to collect millions.

And why the hell shouldn't they? I couldn't think of a better example of a wrongful death by a police officer that wasn't actually murder or some premeditated act. Why exactly do you think the family should pay for the negligent mistake of a police officer employed by the state?

 

[ch33zw1z]

He was shot 10 times. God damn!

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/16/4486160/police-cop-shot-unarmed-man-in.html

yeesh, talk about excessive..