Man accidentally shoots himself in testicles! CCW FTL

[TwinsenTacquito]

Glock + mexican carry = fail.

Rule #1, don't point the gun at anything you don't want to shoot. That includes yourself. Mexican carry = always pointed at yourself.

But clearly we need to ban guns so as to save people from making mistakes. Once guns are banned, nobody will ever be hurt again. We can save people from themselves. It will be double good.

 

[jlee]

This. I will never carry with one in the chamber no matter what gun. The chances of me needed my gun are slim and the chances of having an accident with a round in the chamber are slim. That being said, I'll prevent the accident even if it takes me another second or so if I ever need to draw to pull the slide back.

Congratulations - you're carrying around an expensive club. Hopefully you'll never need it.

 

[TheVrolok]

I also don't like how this is a "accidental discharge". No, it's negligent. It happened because of negligence. The trigger was pulled, it's up to the owner to make sure that doesn't happen unless they mean to pull it.

Generally it's called an "accidental discharge" until the court proves it's negligent (which is obviously is).

This. I will never carry with one in the chamber no matter what gun. The chances of me needed my gun are slim and the chances of having an accident with a round in the chamber are slim. That being said, I'll prevent the accident even if it takes me another second or so if I ever need to draw to pull the slide back.

There is NO reason not to have one in the chamber if your gun is being handled properly. In fact, if you're actually carrying for defensive purposes it's kinda stupid to "assume" you'll never use it and think the extra time used to chamber a round is "no big deal."

 

[sandorski]

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[CKent]

Keeping it reeeeeeeal!

Yeah, real dumb.

There's a vas deferens between holster or not.

I see what you did there.

 

[deadlyapp]

Bullshit. All it takes is the safety to snick off, which is entirely possible with a 1911 or 1911 clone, and then you have a loaded gun with a very light trigger pull jostling around in your waistband just ready to go off accidentally.

Carrying a gun in this manner is always a bad idea and nobody who knows anything about firearms and firearm safety would ever advocate carrying a gun in this manner.

Edit-Carry means on your person, not in your hands. Jammed in the waistband of your pants is a method of carry, an unsafe method, but it is a method. In a holster is a much safer method of carry and the only one I would ever advocate. If you can afford a modern handgun then you can afford a decent quality holster for it.

Jules, The times where I've carried without a holster it did not have one in the chamber. I do agree with you. It was only because my holster at that time was defective and I hadn't had time to purchase a new one. This is for maybe 30 minute stretches.

I by no means condone carrying without a holster though.

 

[CrackRabbit]

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No, he won't be doing that anymore. :awe:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Jules, The times where I've carried without a holster it did not have one in the chamber. I do agree with you. It was only because my holster at that time was defective and I hadn't had time to purchase a new one. This is for maybe 30 minute stretches.

I by no means condone carrying without a holster though.

I didn't mean to come off as attacking you it just sounded like you were condoning the practice and defending it.

Is it really that important to be armed all the time that you'd do something unsafe and risk accidentally shooting yourself? I'd probably just leave the gun at home in that situation.

It's kind of funny, my wife and I went out of town for Memorial Day weekend and I brought along my trusty S&W .44 Magnum. We were at my Father-In-Law's vacation home in Rancho Mirage, CA, and I hid the gun up in the top of an armoir so my son wouldn't be able to accidentally find it. Well, we left on Monday to come home and when I got home I realized that I had left the gun behind...Grrr. So, on Tuesday morning I got on my motorcycle and rode the 90 miles back to Palm Springs through the mountains near Idylwild to retrieve it. The ride was fun but I was kind of wishing I had never brought the thing along in the first place. I kept thinking, "what if I get pulled over and they want to know what's in my tank bag?" How do I explain a loaded .44 Magnum revolver? I had to lie to the guards at my In-Law's and tell them I had left my cell phone behind.

I froze my ass off between my house and Temecula, then I was roasting in Palm Springs, then I rode through two swarms of bees on the way back through the mountains and I was sore, tired, and dirty by the time I got home. Oh well, guess I could have taken the cage but that wouldn't have been nearly as much fun.

 

[deadlyapp]

Theres been a string of murders in my area over the last couple months and I've been influenced by a friend of mine to be of the mindset that I won't end up being a victim of some lunatic. Sure the chance that I'd be targetted is slim to none, but I'd rather simply not take that chance.

I was also on my way out to the range to go shooting anyways that day and prefer not to leave it in my car as it's older and I'm sure the locks are weak.

 

[thepd7]

Congratulations - you're carrying around an expensive club. Hopefully you'll never need it.

I'm not concerned with my personal safety, for me carry is solely about preventing instances where I am not the primary target.

So you're wrong.

There is NO reason not to have one in the chamber if your gun is being handled properly. In fact, if you're actually carrying for defensive purposes it's kinda stupid to "assume" you'll never use it and think the extra time used to chamber a round is "no big deal."

Don't use air quotes on a forum. Those are not direct quotes so you should remove them.

You can properly handle a gun and still have an accidental discharge. I'm not willing to take that risk.

Would you advocate a woman carry with a round in the chamber in her purse?

 

[JD50]

Several things.

1. There's nothing wrong with carrying your gun with a round in the chamber, I don't understand why you WOULDN'T carry with one in the chamber. If you're gun is secure it's not going to discharge and the only time you should pull it out is if you're going to use it, if you're going to use it then you probably don't have time to rack a round in the chamber anyways.

2. There's nothing wrong with carrying a gun in your waistband, if you're using a holster designed for that. I used to have one and it was really comfortable.

3. There's nothing wrong with guns that don't have safeties, they all have internal safety mechanisms so the gun won't discharge unless you actually pull the trigger.

4. I've noticed that Analog has a habit of posting news articles in off topic with inflamatory titles that have nothing to do with the actual article and he rarely returns to the thread. He is a troll.

 

[TheVrolok]

Don't use air quotes on a forum. Those are not direct quotes so you should remove them.

You can properly handle a gun and still have an accidental discharge. I'm not willing to take that risk.

Would you advocate a woman carry with a round in the chamber in her purse?

Why can I not use air quotes? I suppose I could use italics to convey the meaning, but obviously you understood and it required less effort, so I don't see the problem. Good argument, though.

You cannot properly handle a gun and have an accidental discharge if that gun is functioning properly. Those two things are mutually exclusive. Yes, I would advise women who carry in their purse to have one in the chamber.

 

[WA261]

The term "ready to explode" fits well here

 

[jlee]

I'm not concerned with my personal safety, for me carry is solely about preventing instances where I am not the primary target.

So you're wrong.

You're not concerned about your personal safety so you carry on an empty chamber to avoid an accidental discharge? Okay then, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Why can I not use air quotes? I suppose I could use italics to convey the meaning, but obviously you understood and it required less effort, so I don't see the problem. Good argument, though.

You cannot properly handle a gun and have an accidental discharge if that gun is functioning properly. Those two things are mutually exclusive. Yes, I would advise women who carry in their purse to have one in the chamber.

I'm trying to remember the last time I've seen a properly handled firearm accidentally discharge.

Nothing is coming to mind.

 

[deadlyapp]

I'm not concerned with my personal safety, for me carry is solely about preventing instances where I am not the primary target.

So you're wrong.




Don't use air quotes on a forum. Those are not direct quotes so you should remove them.

You can properly handle a gun and still have an accidental discharge. I'm not willing to take that risk.

Would you advocate a woman carry with a round in the chamber in her purse?

You pose an interesting question. If in some sort of holster, I'd say yes, that'd be ok. If loose? Not a chance.

Comparing between a purse and on the hip is kinda sketchy as well. If you have to take it out of your purse, you're already not very concerned with speed as it is. For those who carry on the hip, with one in the chamber, it's because they want to be ready at a moments notice.

 

[TheVrolok]

I'm trying to remember the last time I've seen a properly handled firearm accidentally discharge.

Nothing is coming to mind.

I know, it must be magic, right? I've been in too many firearms classes/at the range/just talking to people/etc.. and heard just some absolutely sad things about the ways in which they handle/carry/care for firearms. It's really frightening.

 

[TheVrolok]

You pose an interesting question. If in some sort of holster, I'd say yes, that'd be ok. If loose? Not a chance.

Comparing between a purse and on the hip is kinda sketchy as well. If you have to take it out of your purse, you're already not very concerned with speed as it is. For those who carry on the hip, with one in the chamber, it's because they want to be ready at a moments notice.

I've said yes to chambering a round even carried in a purse on the premise that the firearm is being carried correctly. That is in a holster at the minimum, if not in it's own pocket or other containing device. It would be absolutely absurd to carry a gun in a purse just floating around with other things. Not only would it get incredibly dirty but the odds of bits of dirt/dust/who knows what falling into the barrel (not to mention other parts) would be high. A person carrying a gun completely loose in a purse is simply doing it wrong.

 

[JulesMaximus]

If I were carrying there is no way I'd carry a gun that didn't have a round chambered. What's the point in carrying if the gun isn't ready to use at a moments notice?

 

[TheVrolok]

If I were carrying there is no way I'd carry a gun that didn't have a round chambered. What's the point in carrying if the gun isn't ready to use at a moments notice?

You mean you can't call timeout with the baddy?

 

[thepd7]

Why can I not use air quotes? I suppose I could use italics to convey the meaning, but obviously you understood and it required less effort, so I don't see the problem. Good argument, though.

You cannot properly handle a gun and have an accidental discharge if that gun is functioning properly. Those two things are mutually exclusive. Yes, I would advise women who carry in their purse to have one in the chamber.

Because you are implying I said the extra time is no big deal which is incorrect. I said that the time advantage is not worth the risk to me. That's a personal decision that I am making based on having all the information.

You're not concerned about your personal safety so you carry on an empty chamber to avoid an accidental discharge? Okay then, whatever helps you sleep at night.


I'm trying to remember the last time I've seen a properly handled firearm accidentally discharge.

Nothing is coming to mind.

That's correct.

So firearm manufacturers are perfect? There's no such thing as a gun recall? Wow, I'm impressed.

You mean you can't call timeout with the baddy?

I'm not sure how long it takes you to rack a slide but you must be doing it wrong.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm not sure how long it takes you to rack a slide but you must be doing it wrong.

It's just one more thing for you to fuck up when you're under pressure...nancy.

 

[spidey07]

I've said yes to chambering a round even carried in a purse on the premise that the firearm is being carried correctly. That is in a holster at the minimum, if not in it's own pocket or other containing device. It would be absolutely absurd to carry a gun in a purse just floating around with other things. Not only would it get incredibly dirty but the odds of bits of dirt/dust/who knows what falling into the barrel (not to mention other parts) would be high. A person carrying a gun completely loose in a purse is simply doing it wrong.

They make purses with a decent holster built inside for this. I'm getting the wife a revolver for this very reason. Aim, and pull the trigger as fast as you can.

 

[thepd7]

It's just one more thing for you to fuck up when you're under pressure...nancy.

ah good, we've deteriorated into name-calling. I'm glad someone with your maturity is not carrying.

 

[spidey07]

ah good, we've deteriorated into name-calling. I'm glad someone with your maturity is not carrying.

How much have you trained doing so? For even the best it adds an extra 2 seconds.

I'm not downplaying your decision, as long as you know the risk it carries with it. You've made a judgement call and I don't blame you. I just don't want to take that risk.

Jules point still stands, it is indeed one more thing you can fuck up. Not you personally, you as in anybody that carries not ready to fire, or ready to fire safety on.

 

[JulesMaximus]

WTF...double post.