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Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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Ns1 said:
maybe the same janitorial ninjas that planted the thermite @ WTC used their extensive experience to line the 777 with thermite. I guess we'll have to wait for the paint chips.
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What will we do with those, eat them?

Can someone not wearing an aluminum foil hat succinctly explain why so many people care so passionately about all this? I'm content to wait a few weeks, or whatever, until the investigation turns something up.

I'm certainly not going to change anything by worrying about it from the other side of the world, but if I were so inclined I'd be busting an ulcer over the Ukraine before giving even a second thought to this missing plane. History will likely shove this crash in a footnote somewhere; the Ukraine situation already has its own paragraph and may well be starting on a chapter.
 
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rudeguy said:
Don't help him. He is convinced the evil muslims did this. Because all muslims are evil.
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i guess you can continue to ignore all the violence they've did and continue to believe that the religion they follow is a peaceful one


Quit threadcrapping with politico-religious BS.

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Fern said:
That's not my understanding.

I believe they used all pings. The pings showed that the plane never moved closer to, or further from the satellite, thus the arcs.


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304017604579443603302188102

Fern
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I do agree that the article you linked is very clear that all pings were used, but that goes against most of the other information I saw being reported elsewhere.

My understanding is that they drew a circle around the location of the satellite, based on an estimated distance from the satellite that the flight's final signal was received. The inner/middle break of the circle is based solely on minimum speed of the plane from last known location (when they lost it from radar). The outer breaks are based on maximum range of the flight from last known location.

Not sure what to believe...
 
Got an alert from my wall street journal app that the aussies see some objects on satellite imagery that appears to be from the aircraft. Their app sucks so it doesnt link to details. Cant find this anywhere else.
 
LegendKiller said:
Got an alert from my wall street journal app that the aussies see some objects on satellite imagery that appears to be from the aircraft. Their app sucks so it doesnt link to details. Cant find this anywhere else.
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Watching the local news, they're saying the Australian Gov't just announced that they have found a couple of objects that could be from the plane. Ships and planes are heading to the location.
 
I have a friend who has been an air traffic controller for 25 years. We just had a Facebook exchange regarding her view of this story.

First, she finds the Ledgerwood theory more plausible than the Goodfellow one:

I still don't think the Goodfellow theory is simple or logical. [She was responding to my comment that the simplicity of the Goodfellow theory made it appealing.] In fact, in my mind it makes some rather large leaps. First is that a pilot would look to an airport behind him in an emergency. I could keep rambling on from there, but I won't because I am tired of debunking that particular theory.

I think the Ledgerwood theory is more plausible, though to line up with the other 777 by luck also seems a leap of reason. They would have to have flown pretty close to the other aircraft to not make an additional primary radar target (assuming other countries still use primary radar along with secondary &/or ADS-B).
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I asked her whether she has a preferred theory about what happened, and here was her response:

Not anything specific. Since we began to learn that it wasn't a simultaneous loss of ACARS, transponder, and radar data then adding the fact that the aircraft made several maneuvers I stopped believing in the idea of "catastrophic failure" of some sort. I believe that someone intended to fly the aircraft somewhere. Whether they were successful or not is the big question. I do believe if the aircraft hit the ocean, there would be some debris field. I don't think an aircraft that large could crash without breaking up to some extent. I also recently saw a theory that they tried to fly below radar and possibly crashed in the mountains. I think that is plausible. Flying below radar was the first thought that came to mind for me, though in populated areas flying low enough to be below en route radar coverage would quickly draw attention.
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https://www.facebook.com/SevenNewsPerth

STATEMENT FROM TONY ABBOTT REGARDING THE MISSING MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT MH 370

"I would like to inform the House that new and credible information has come to light in relation to the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH 370 in the southern Indian Ocean. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information, based on satellite imagery, of objects possibly related to the search. Following specialist analysis of the this satellite imagery two possible objects related to the search have been identified. I can inform the House that a RAAF Orion has been diverted to attempt to locate the objects. This Orion is expected to arrive in the area at about this time. (1400 AEDT) Three more aircraft will follow this Orion. They are tasked for a more intensive follow-up search. I have spoken to my Malaysian counterpart Prime Minister Najib Razik, and informed him of these developments. I must inform the house the task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult and it may turn out that they are not related to the search for Flight MH 370."
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On Nightline ABC news, one of their reporters is in an US P8 subhunter plane flying to the debris and their plane is close enough to pick-up large sized objects on radar.

Looks like they found it.
 
pbnj said:
Man, with you guys on the FF thing. Everything I've read leads me to believe it's at Diego Garcia.
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Do you know how small Diego Garcia is?

Diego Garcia is the largest land mass in the Chagos Archipelago (which includes Peros Banhos, the Salomon Islands, the Three Brothers, the Egmont Islands and the Great Chagos Bank), being an atoll occupying approximately 174 square kilometres (67 sq mi), of which 27.19 square kilometres (10 sq mi) is dry land.
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It only has 10 square miles of dry land. You couldn't hide a Fart on Diego Garcia. It is barely out of the water. No civilian inhabitants and is entirely military. Half is used by the British and the other half the USA for a ship repair facility, rapid deployment forces and Merchant Marine traffic.
 
Ruptga said:
Can someone not wearing an aluminum foil hat succinctly explain why so many people care so passionately about all this? I'm content to wait a few weeks, or whatever, until the investigation turns something up.
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1. Because most people have flown on an airplane, so it's a familiar thing

2. Because losing an entire airplane in this day & age seems crazy
 
Yeah, Australia found some debris via satellite, but they're days away from getting there on a boat and said it will still be hard to locate in-person. Experts are saying that it may not be related because the size of the parts are pretty large to have survived a crash:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

That would be incredible if they found it this soon...that's not just a needle in a haystack, that's like finding a needle on Mount Everest...
 
Cockpit Voice Recorder normally only has 2 hours of recording usually, so even if they find it, it probably won't have a record of the critical moment of course deviation.
That's been a problem for all cases of cabin pressure loss, as it becomes very difficult to reconstruct what lead to the depressurization and the inadequate response from the cabin crew.
 
judging from where the sat pic is located at, that would be running the plane on fumes to the middle of no where.
 
There is a new unconfirmed report saying that the LHC opened a tear in the space time continuum and when the plane passed through the tear, it was transported into an alternate universe where everyone looked like us but acted the exact opposite way we do.

Still waiting on a link...
 
_Rick_ said:
Cockpit Voice Recorder normally only has 2 hours of recording usually, so even if they find it, it probably won't have a record of the critical moment of course deviation.
That's been a problem for all cases of cabin pressure loss, as it becomes very difficult to reconstruct what lead to the depressurization and the inadequate response from the cabin crew.
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This just seems bananas in a day an age where we have 128GB micro SD cards. You could record months of audio...
 
JBT said:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-satellite-spots-possible-plane-debris-n57296

This one has includes some decently high res shots of the object.
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Meh, is that the best they can do out of a satellite from 2014?

Here's a satellite photo from the 1962 Cuban Missile crisis:

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Those vehicles in the photo which you can clearly make out, are certainly smaller than 24 meters (72 feet). They look comparable to a military deuce and a half, which is approx 7 meters long.
 
lozina said:
Meh, is that the best they can do out of a satellite from 2014?

Here's a satellite photo from the 1962 Cuban Missile crisis:

LE283L3.jpg


Those vehicles in the photo which you can clearly make out, are certainly smaller than 24 meters (72 feet). They look comparable to a military deuce and a half, which is approx 7 meters long.
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Civilian vs military equipment?
 
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