Malaysia Airlines plane crashes in South China Sea with 239 people aboard

[MomentsofSanity]

possible debris:

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/393063/pieces-aircraft-found-floating-andhra.html

Pieces of what is suspected to be an aircraft were seen washed up on Andhra coast Wednesday, a Telugu television channel reported.

Fishermen, who saw them floating at Kutta Gouduru beach in T.P. Gudur mandal of Nellore district in south coastal Andhra off Bay of Bengal, informed the police.

According to a channel, the authorities alerted the top officials. However, there was no confirmation from any official if the objects seen floating were indeed pieces of an aircraft.

This right here is the first piece of information I've seen in this entire debacle that I find even remotely encouraging at least on finding out what happened.

 

[Fern]

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Wouldn't the curvature of the Earth mask the radar signal of a grounded plane? If nothing else, surely such a small return would be masked in ground clutter.

The maps I've seen of the satellite coverage don't suggest any problems with curvature of the earth. (You wrote "radar" but I was talking about the Inmarsat pings.)

IDK but the Inmarsat's purpose is to monitor the engines' performance. I would think take off and landing performance would be important so I would expect it to function even if on ground.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney (retired AF) is claiming his sources in the military/intel community believe the missing plane is in Pakistan, specifically in western Pakistan where the Taliban have control.

Says the US govt and others know more than they're telling us.

Also says he expects us to hear more in about 48 hours.

Fern

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Whoever the pilot was on that flight had to have some wicked skills to fly below 5,000 ft for thousands of miles and avoid being detected by radar.

Must be nice to be a talking head/s that can continually gin up interest and line their pockets from the BS they sell.

 

[OCGuy]

Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney (retired AF) is claiming his sources in the military/intel community believe the missing plane is in Pakistan, specifically in western Pakistan where the Taliban have control.

Says the US govt and others know more than they're telling us.

Also says he expects us to hear more in about 48 hours.

Fern

Oh geez heads will roll in the PAF. If they missed a 777 entering their airspace, expect trials and executions.

I am a member of a beloved patriot forum, and boy were they embarrassed when our Blackhawks made it to Abbottabad without being noticed. I can't imagine what a 777 would do to their defense psyche.

 

[CZroe]

Oh geez heads will roll in the PAF. If they missed a 777 entering their airspace, expect trials and executions.

I am a member of a beloved patriot forum, and boy were they embarrassed when our Blackhawks made it to Abbottabad without being noticed. I can't imagine what a 777 would do to their defense psyche.

Unless they were the ones doing it.

 

[OCGuy]

Unless they were the ones doing it.

The Pakistani people?

 

[uclabachelor]

This right here is the first piece of information I've seen in this entire debacle that I find even remotely encouraging at least on finding out what happened.

I wouldn't hold my breath. There have been numerous false alarms in the last week on finding wreckage.

 

[PG]

I wouldn't hold my breath. There have been numerous false alarms in the last week on finding wreckage.

You are probably right. I can't find it now but earlier today I saw an article saying that this debris was not from MH370. It's sad we have some much garbage and junk floating around in the oceans. We are destroying the planet, but that's another conversation.

 

[CZroe]

The Pakistani people?

PAF

And it was a joke.

Despite conspiracy theories about Pakistan protecting the Taliban and bin Laden, despite their harsh treatment of our medical collaborator, I don't think the PAF has plans to attack us.

 

[Fern]

A new tidbit;

Malaysia confirms it has new radar data on missing plane flying over another country (but won't say where for security reasons)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...flying-country-wont-say-security-reasons.html

Fern

 

[werepossum]

The maps I've seen of the satellite coverage don't suggest any problems with curvature of the earth. (You wrote "radar" but I was talking about the Inmarsat pings.)

IDK but the Inmarsat's purpose is to monitor the engines' performance. I would think take off and landing performance would be important so I would expect it to function even if on ground.

Fern

Ah, my bad, I was thinking radar. Inmarsat would not be affected. Heard on the radio today that the plane pinged for 7-1/2 hours after take-off. Makes me wonder which band it was using and how much tracking data they really have and aren't divulging.

Oh geez heads will roll in the PAF. If they missed a 777 entering their airspace, expect trials and executions.

I am a member of a beloved patriot forum, and boy were they embarrassed when our Blackhawks made it to Abbottabad without being noticed. I can't imagine what a 777 would do to their defense psyche.

Pretty sure it would be the Pakistani government if that happened. BTW I used to spend a lot of time on beloved patriot military forums. Had a devil of a time with viruses that Norton and McAfee hadn't yet seen. That not a problem for you?

A new tidbit;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...flying-country-wont-say-security-reasons.html

Fern

Interesting. I can't help thinking this is a sophisticated hijacking, probably including at least one of the pilots. If one pilot merely wanted to kill himself and take a lot of infidels with him, surely a simple nosedive would have done the trick. Flying around to burn up the fuel to avoid leaving an oil slick is a possibility if for some reason he didn't want to be found, but the 777-200 has the ability to jettison fuel as well, which would be much quicker, and from 30,000 ft it would be too well dispersed to make a slick. Makes me believe that somebody wanted someone on that plane, but with plausible deniability.

 

[dphantom]

PAF

And it was a joke.

Despite conspiracy theories about Pakistan protecting the Taliban and bin Laden, despite their harsh treatment of our medical collaborator, I don't think the PAF has plans to attack us.

ISI and I am not joking. The Taliban is a creature of the ISI and this is a pretty good speculative guess from McKierney. A guess like many others but interesting.

ISI could possibly make sure the 777 got into P air space undetected.

 

[OCGuy]

The beloved patriot government nor the ISI is hijacking a plane full of Chinese citizens.

Once the US teat is dry, the Pakistanis are going to rely heavily on the Chinese.

 

[werepossum]

The beloved patriot government nor the ISI is hijacking a plane full of Chinese citizens.

Once the US teat is dry, the Pakistanis are going to rely heavily on the Chinese.

That's a good point, but if there truly are a couple dozen electronic warfare experts on board and the ISI truly needs them to continue its terrorism it might be worth the risk. If they alienate the Chinese they can always turn to the Russians and the Iranians.

 

[PG]

Andhra Officials Deny Spotting Pieces of Missing Aircraft

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...ft/2014/03/19/article2118697.ece#.Uyo131fNuUk

Officials in Andhra Pradesh Wednesday denied TV reports that pieces of what was suspected to be an aircraft were seen near the coast.

Officials in Nellore district in south coastal Andhra off the Bay of Bengal found the report by a Telugu news channel to be untrue.

The district authorities deputed some officials along with boats to Kutta Gouduru beach in T.P. Gudur mandal following reports that some fishermen saw objects resembling parts of an airplane.

The fishermen had informed police, who in turn alerted district-level authorities. However, after a search in the area, it was dismissed as a rumour.

 

[PG]

Austrailians may have found something:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...otted-in-southern-indian-ocean-australia-says


MH370: two objects spotted in southern Indian Ocean, Australia says

Prime minister Tony Abbott tells MPs that ‘new and credible information has come to light’ based on satellite images


more:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malays...g-objects-possibly-related-to-plane-1.2579606

 

[ThinClient]

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I hope for the family's sake that the debris seen by satellite off the western coast of Australia turns out to be the Malaysia Airline plane. Though it won't be easy, at least they can have some closure.

I also hope that it's the plane so I can watch the talking heads and news broadcasters/those that took what they offering hook, line, and sinker have to admit they were wrong/fools for taking the bait.

 

[brycejones]

Maybe they will find the plane now the aliens are done replacing the people who were on the plan with fake bodies.

 

[dphantom]

The beloved patriot government nor the ISI is hijacking a plane full of Chinese citizens.

Once the US teat is dry, the Pakistanis are going to rely heavily on the Chinese.

I also don't think the beloved patriot government would but do think ISI would if it was in their best interests.

But I don't think this scenario is at all likely though remotely possible with what little we know today. That is, hijack a 777, land it, do something with passengers and crew, and then use the aircraft in some type of terrorist act. Sounds good in a movie, not so sure in real life.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney (retired AF) is claiming his sources in the military/intel community believe the missing plane is in Pakistan, specifically in western Pakistan where the Taliban have control.

Says the US govt and others know more than they're telling us.

Also says he expects us to hear more in about 48 hours.

Fern

Yeah, he is certainly credible....isn't he the guy that "claimed" the White House had Muslim brotherhood people working there because of Obama? And that he doesn't believe Obama was born in the US? And he believed in Iraq's WMD?

A real classy guy, don't you think? And he has a great track record of accuracy too, no?

Fern, you really know how to pick pathetic sources, let me tell you. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I hope for the family's sake that the debris seen by satellite off the western coast of Australia turns out to be the Malaysia Airline plane. Though it won't be easy, at least they can have some closure.

I also hope that it's the plane so I can watch the talking heads and news broadcasters/those that took what they offering hook, line, and sinker have to admit they were wrong/fools for taking the bait.

Sounds like this was a false alarm. http://abcnews.go.com/International...earching-malaysian-jetliner/story?id=22981873 Frankly it didn't make sense to me that large pieces of the plane could still be floating after 12 days anyway.

 

[werepossum]

OMG. That is perfect.

Sounds like this was a false alarm. http://abcnews.go.com/International...earching-malaysian-jetliner/story?id=22981873 Frankly it didn't make sense to me that large pieces of the plane could still be floating after 12 days anyway.

Yeah, didn't make sense to me that pieces that large could be floating.

I know this is hard on the families, but until the plane is found there is hope.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Sounds like this was a false alarm. http://abcnews.go.com/International...earching-malaysian-jetliner/story?id=22981873 Frankly it didn't make sense to me that large pieces of the plane could still be floating after 12 days anyway.

It all depends on the contents and whether it's still sealed/preventing water from entering. Even if there's jet fuel in a wing it would still be lighter than water.