Malaysia Airlines plane crashes in South China Sea with 239 people aboard

[Londo_Jowo]

Sounds like this was a false alarm. http://abcnews.go.com/International...earching-malaysian-jetliner/story?id=22981873 Frankly it didn't make sense to me that large pieces of the plane could still be floating after 12 days anyway.

It all depends on the contents and whether it's still sealed/preventing water from entering. Even if there's jet fuel in a wing it would still be lighter than water.

We had to run over aircraft to ensure it sunk when I was in the Navy to prevent the Russian Navy from getting anything.

 

[werepossum]

It all depends on the contents and whether it's still sealed/preventing water from entering. Even if there's jet fuel in a wing it would still be lighter than water.

We had to run over aircraft to ensure it sunk when I was in the Navy to prevent the Russian Navy from getting anything.

I hadn't thought of that either, but you make a good point.

 

[CZroe]

Sounds like this was a false alarm. http://abcnews.go.com/International...earching-malaysian-jetliner/story?id=22981873 Frankly it didn't make sense to me that large pieces of the plane could still be floating after 12 days anyway.

You say that as if that's what your link concludes. Nope. They couldn't find it and are still looking for the possible debris that was reported, acknowledging that it could have been carried away by currents. If so, the sighting was not a "false alarm."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You say that as if that's what your link concludes. Nope. They couldn't find it and are still looking for the possible debris that was reported, acknowledging that it could have been carried away by currents. If so, the sighting was not a "false alarm."

"Sounds like" is my surmise. Obviously it's possible this was floating debris from the plane. I doubt it, but it is possible.

 

[CZroe]

"Sounds like" is my surmise. Obviously it's possible this was floating debris from the plane. I doubt it, but it is possible.

The images were older than that. It hadn't been 12 days when the images were taken. The images were days old when the possoble debris field was noticed. It's still a very good lead and a bit premature to call it a "false alarm" regardless. In the other thread someone posted the same link thinking that the freighter and dolphins were what was in the images showing a possible debris field (also not what it said at all). That misunderstanding also required the same assumption that the images were more recent than they were.

 

[Fern]

LOL, awesome.

Fern

 

[Fern]

dp

Fern

 

[Fern]

Yeah, he is certainly credible....isn't he the guy that "claimed" the White House had Muslim brotherhood people working there because of Obama?

IDK, you got a legit link?

I've paid attention to him when he was speaking to what the military/intl community was saying. BTW: if he accurately what they said he did his job. This intel community is 50/50 at best; yet I, as are others I suspect, are still interested in their analysis.

And that he doesn't believe Obama was born in the US? And he believed in Iraq's WMD?

Honestly, IDK. I don't watch any one channel enough to know what each 'guest' has to say. I.e., I've never heard that. You're making the claim it's up to you to support it with with respectable links.

A real classy guy, don't you think? And he has a great track record of accuracy too, no?

Fern, you really know how to pick pathetic sources, let me tell you. Why am I not surprised?

You move to judgement, nay accusations, quickly, yet provide exactly zero in the way of links/proofs.

In any case, and this is of paramount importance, assuming you progressives can actually discern 'nuance', so unlike conservatives as your claim, I have only offered him as someone who can reliably communicate what many in our intel community believe. If they're wrong it's on him. If he's mis-communicated their beliefs it's on him.

And, as to your last points, I've made no accusations. I've merely reported things that were in the news.

If you really want a link to his remarks I can provide it. (sigh) I'm not your valet, but if you'll ask I do it.

Fern

 

[OCGuy]

I would think we could get a thread title that reflects the situation correctly, based off what is known currently.

 

[HomerJS]

Someone please explain to me why "Breaking News" is

"we haven't found anything yet"??

 

[dphantom]

Someone please explain to me why "Breaking News" is

"we haven't found anything yet"??

a 24 hour news cycle that has to be fed

 

[Fern]

Someone please explain to me why "Breaking News" is

"we haven't found anything yet"??

a 24 hour news cycle that has to be fed

I think a more current and sober answer would be that 'we' expect immediate gratification, including answers we want.

We're not getting those, in fact we're getting conflicting and incorrect data which makes it all the more frustrating. We simply cannot tolerate that without remark.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Oh BTW, I cannot resist another Tom Clancy type suggestion - the pilots seems by all accounts to be a good fellow so what could possibly compel him to hijack the plane? (Assuming he did so, of course.) Well, his family has been missing since the day before the plane went missing. From what I can see no one has photographed them or confirmed their presence.

Well, they were kidnapped forcing him to comply with the demands of those wanting the plane stolen.

(Yes, that's absurdly fanciful but nevertheless I enjoy exercising my imagination during the 'tax busy season'.. If you're not a tax accountant you wouldn't understand.)

Fern

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

IDK, you got a legit link?

How many links do you want? 10sec on google will show a ton of hits.

Link

“We’ve got Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. government today,” McInerney said on the radio program.

The radio hosts asked McInerney to reveal their names, but he hesitated.

“I haven’t got their names exactly but there’s a list of them, at least 10 or 15 of them in the U.S. government,” McInerney said.

Link

He suggested that the alleged WMD that lead to the Iraq war and never found were “spirited away” just prior to the US invasion by Russia, China and France.

He suggested the reason why the U.S. had not seen terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11 by asking “Why attack here when you have leftists in America who have aided and abetted the enemy more than Tokyo Rose did in World War II?”

He suggested that to prevent another terrorist attack on an American airline the following “If you are an 18 to 28-year-old Muslim man, you should be strip-searched.”

The general has referred to the concerns of the birthers as, quote, “serious and widely held.” He says investigating them is, quote, “absolutely essential to reassuring all military personnel, once and for all, for this president whether his service as commander-in-chief is constitutionally proper.” Now, somebody having crazy ideas about Barack Obama being secretly foreign is not news.

You want me to keep going? You couldn't do this on your own?

Is it no surprise that this guy is employed by Faux News? And that you listen to him? He's a bigot, a birther, and still believes in Iraq WMD....real winner you believe in.

Do you also go to Fred Phelps for all your religious news?

 

[boomerang]

How many links do you want? 10sec on google will show a ton of hits.

You want me to keep going? You couldn't do this on your own?

Is it no surprise that this guy is employed by Faux News? And that you listen to him? He's a bigot, a birther, and still believes in Iraq WMD....real winner you believe in.

Do you also go to Fred Phelps for all your religious news?

As is your norm, your multi-post diatribe over this guy is filled with a lot of drama. Nobody knows what happened at this point and getting your nose all out of joint over people that are throwing out their theory is asinine. But that has never stopped you before so do carry on. Personally, I do find a degree of entertainment value in it, but I must say that it is minimal.

 

[Xellos2099]

I heard from chinese news that there are evidence that the main pilot of the plane either made a phone call or received one short before the flight... suspicious? Also, did thye find the missing pilot family that moved away the day beforehand?

 

[rudder]

I heard from chinese news that there are evidence that the main pilot of the plane either made a phone call or received one short before the flight... suspicious? Also, did thye find the missing pilot family that moved away the day beforehand?

Other than see who was called... these types of calls are probably fairly common. Pilots are away from family and friends for days at a time. There is always some type of business to take care of.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

As is your norm, your multi-post diatribe over this guy is filled with a lot of drama. Nobody knows what happened at this point and getting your nose all out of joint over people that are throwing out their theory is asinine. But that has never stopped you before so do carry on. Personally, I do find a degree of entertainment value in it, but I must say that it is minimal.

I'm pointing out that blindly believing a Fox analyst with a known history of delusion isn't that good of an idea. something that seems to happen a lot around here.

And then I get the whole "you prove it" attitude from Fern...he posted the initial news, he should have vetted it before blindly posted. Not my fauly he blindly believes anything that Fox says.

 

[Jaskalas]

I would think we could get a thread title that reflects the situation correctly, based off what is known currently.

Confirmed: A sequel to Lost is in the works!

 

[MongGrel]

a 24 hour news cycle that has to be fed

:thumbsup:

 

[Fern]

How many links do you want? 10sec on google will show a ton of hits.

You want me to keep going? You couldn't do this on your own?

Is it no surprise that this guy is employed by Faux News? And that you listen to him? He's a bigot, a birther, and still believes in Iraq WMD....real winner you believe in.

Do you also go to Fred Phelps for all your religious news?

How many links do I want?

Well, none really.

I don't give a damn about Rachel Maddow's rants most days (even though I watch her show sometimes).

Accusing someone of partisanship and then pointing to MSNBC as proof is hysterically ironic.

But enough with the digression, what you think of McInerney's political position is of no import. I did not mention him here for his political analysis, but rather his ties with the military/intel community. He could be a marxist or a fascist, it would be of no relevance. We're not interested in his political views, we're interested in him spilling the 'beans' about what the intel community thinks.

A missing Malaysian plane isn't about politics, not about Dems v. Repubs. H3ll, the USA isn't really involved here, it's not even one of our planes and it took place halfway around the world.

We don't know what happened, but assuming he's accurate in relating the thoughts of some of those in the intel community, that theory is as good as anything else we've got ATM.

Fern

 

[Bowfinger]

Breaking news that Malaysian authorities have now announced as a certainty that MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean and that there is effectively no chance of survivors. They've not yet explained the basis for this announcement, though speculation is they've found a piece of wreckage that they can positively tie to that plane.

Here's an update from CNN, but more to come soon: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Edit: updated link: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

 

[werepossum]

Breaking news that Malaysian authorities have now announced as a certainty that MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean and that there is effectively no chance of survivors. They've not yet explained the basis for this announcement, though speculation is they've found a piece of wreckage that they can positively tie to that plane.

Here's an update from CNN, but more to come soon: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Edit: updated link: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

Sad. Where there is uncertainty, there is hope. In this vast, deep area I doubt we'll ever know what happened - or even be 100% sure we know it went down.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Based on the latest news I do not believe that this was due to an act of terrorism nor a suicide attempt. I still suspect something happened onboard and the pilot turned the plane around but became incapacitated before they could return to Kuala Lumpur. The plane then flew until it ran out of fuel.

 

[werepossum]

Based on the latest news I do not believe that this was due to an act of terrorism nor a suicide attempt. I still suspect something happened onboard and the pilot turned the plane around but became incapacitated before they could return to Kuala Lumpur. The plane then flew until it ran out of fuel.

Given that one of the transponders ceased operation before the pilot's last voice communication, how do you posit an on-board emergency that gradually takes out the electrical system without drawing the pilot's attention or rendering the plane uncontrollable? Air isn't uniform, the autopilot still makes thousands of small adjustments an hour to keep the plane stable.