Major violent protest in UC Berkeley

[Murloc]

idk about the US but in Europe it's totally normal for these antifa types to stage organized and destructive protests and fight with the police. They are usually children of middle class parents who provide for them even if they spend their days at the "social centres". And then they pass themselves off as "student protests" and stuff like that in the news.

Point is, they're a minority of the left, but they're very networked and travel to participate in protests on purpose.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So you're either asexual or a virgin? That doesn't bode well. Keep a grip twatwaffle, hang in there. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we'd all prefer not to see you in the news.

It's the same point for your personal attacks, you're angry and mad that someone disagrees with you. So you resort to personal insults and attacks as an attempt to silence their opinion. The difference is that the anti-Milo and other protesters are using violence to achieve their ends.

 

[werepossum]

I don't know what more to tell you as a person that lived in Berkeley for the last 8 years: but those were not students. That simply is not how Berkeley opereates.

You're smarter than this disinformation nonsense, or maybe you once were.

Your argument is that "these aren't students" because "we just know" because "that simply isn't how Berkeley operates". Look at that objectively and you will see that it is beyond weak. These people always show up to protest the exact same speakers and causes as the very vocal, very visible far left students and faculty. One suspects that actual anarchists would not find 100% agreement with those advocating an all-powerful, all-intrusive federal government. Further, if they truly were unwanted outside agitators, they should be easy for Berkeley's "heavily armed" police force to stop.

You guys want the utility of having these violent thug protesters shutting down speech you don't want heard while retaining plausible deniability of them being part of your progressive movement. That only works a couple times before it becomes apparent that they are the heart of your movement.

Personally I think Berkeley firefighters should adopt the same attitude as university police and management. "Put out the fires? Nah, we're going to let the buildings burn. Get it out of their system. That way nobody gets hurt."

 

[Maxima1]

Your argument is that "these aren't students" because "we just know" because "that simply isn't how Berkeley operates". Look at that objectively and you will see that it is beyond weak. These people always show up to protest the exact same speakers and causes as the very vocal, very visible far left students and faculty. One suspects that actual anarchists would not find 100% agreement with those advocating an all-powerful, all-intrusive federal government. Further, if they truly were unwanted outside agitators, they should be easy for Berkeley's "heavily armed" police force to stop.

You guys want the utility of having these violent thug protesters shutting down speech you don't want heard while retaining plausible deniability of them being part of your progressive movement. That only works a couple times before it becomes apparent that they are the heart of your movement.

Personally I think Berkeley firefighters should adopt the same attitude as university police and management. "Put out the fires? Nah, we're going to let the buildings burn. Get it out of their system. That way nobody gets hurt."

"Heart of your movement" ?

What, I don't even...You can't be responsible for what every individual out of millions does. Even Milo said that himself about his followers.

Moreover, Milo describes himself as a troll and provocateur, so it's unreasonable to expect someone with such a large platform wouldn't stir up some violence, etc. when we're talking about a mass of people.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

If American society has sunken to the levels that it can't protest things it disagrees with peacefully, we need trolls to bring the malcontents out of their holes.

 

[Zstream]

"Heart of your movement" ?

What, I don't even...You can't be responsible for what every individual out of millions does. Even Milo said that himself about his followers.

Moreover, Milo describes himself as a troll and provocateur, so it's unreasonable to expect someone with such a large platform wouldn't stir up some violence, etc. when we're talking about a mass of people.

F off you commie asshole. You want violence to be part of the demonstrations? Go suck on Vladdies and the Chinese tit and call it your home.

 

[Maxima1]

F off you commie asshole. You want violence to be part of the demonstrations? Go suck on Vladdies and the Chinese tit and call it your home.

HOLY ****!!! You have serious reading comprehension issues. That came straight out of your ***. I clearly said we're not responsible for a tiny fraction of a mass of people, and mocked the asinine "heart of the movement" drivel, you dolt!!!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Liberals in general aren't responsible, but liberals in positions of power that permit it are. In the case of Berkeley it looks like they responded to an extent at least, but in U of Washington's case they didn't do anything until a person shot in self defense, not to mention riots in Baltimore where the mayor basically endorses it.

 

[werepossum]

"Heart of your movement" ?

What, I don't even...You can't be responsible for what every individual out of millions does. Even Milo said that himself about his followers.

Moreover, Milo describes himself as a troll and provocateur, so it's unreasonable to expect someone with such a large platform wouldn't stir up some violence, etc. when we're talking about a mass of people.

Gotta love it. Hundreds of violent leftists are now "some individual". The left as a whole cannot be held responsible for the very predictable violence of some on the left. However, apparently the right CAN be held accountable for the very predictable violence of some on the left.

 

[werepossum]

If American society has sunken to the levels that it can't protest things it disagrees with peacefully, we need trolls to bring the malcontents out of their holes.

Problem is as long as they are leftist malcontents, they are allowed to "come out of their holes", attack people, and destroy property, then return unimpeded to their holes every time someone on the right threatens to actually speak. With zero consequences - except for blaming the conservative for causing the violence.

 

[Maxima1]

Gotta love it. Hundreds of violent leftists are now "some individual". The left as a whole cannot be held responsible for the very predictable violence of some on the left.

How can we prevent violence from happening at protests? You're a big idiot if you think the people at the top of the movement have the scope to hold millions of people accountable for their actions. According to your logic, Milo is responsible for his Twitter followers making abusive and threatening comments.

However, apparently the right CAN be held accountable for the very predictable violence of some on the left.

Where's your reading comprehension? Milo is responsible insofar that he is trolling/provoking people. If you went outside where there were a lot of black people and started shouting the n-word, you can't just blame the black person.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

How can we prevent violence from happening at protests? You're a big idiot if you think the people at the top of the movement have the scope to hold millions of people accountable for their actions. According to your logic, Milo is responsible for his Twitter followers making abusive and threatening comments.

Where's your reading comprehension? Milo is responsible insofar that he is trolling/provoking people. If you went outside where there were a lot of black people and started shouting the n-word, you can't just blame the black person.

Prevent violence by responding to it swiftly with appropriate force, and arresting those responsible.

Nothing Milo has said is comparable to shouting the n-word at random black people, and even if it were, he does it at a reserved podium in front of a willing audience, not out in the public at passers-by. Further, ANTIFA is not just random people; they react with violence in an organized, politically-motivated, premeditated manner.

 

[Maxima1]

Prevent violence by responding to it swiftly with appropriate force, and arresting those responsible.

Yeah, and law enforcement tends to be conservative, so what exactly is your beef?

Nothing Milo has said is comparable to shouting the n-word at random black people,

Milo says a lot of obnoxious stuff. You're just being argumentative. He even admits he's trolling.

and even if it were, he does it at a reserved podium in front of a willing audience, not out in the public at passers-by. Further, ANTIFA is not just random people; they react with violence in an organized, politically-motivated, premeditated manner.

What don't you get? He agitates people and they'll do ***. How much Americans even know antifa? Stop being disingenuous and obtuse. It's not mainstream by a long shot.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

ANTIFA operates significantly more on the Pacific coast than in, say, Texas. Care to guess why? Because the police in liberal cities permit it (or are told to permit it).

Give examples of things he's said comparable to yelling the n-word at black people on the street.

That's part of the point; they don't know ANTIFA. Despite being an openly criminal political organization, they're allowed to exist along the lines of "Eh, just don't cause TOO much trouble for us in power, kay?" kind of way.

 

[werepossum]

Prevent violence by responding to it swiftly with appropriate force, and arresting those responsible.

Nothing Milo has said is comparable to shouting the n-word at random black people, and even if it were, he does it at a reserved podium in front of a willing audience, not out in the public at passers-by. Further, ANTIFA is not just random people; they react with violence in an organized, politically-motivated, premeditated manner.

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ANTIFA operates significantly more on the Pacific coast than in, say, Texas. Care to guess why? Because the police in liberal cities permit it (or are told to permit it).

Give examples of things he's said comparable to yelling the n-word at black people on the street.

That's part of the point; they don't know ANTIFA. Despite being an openly criminal political organization, they're allowed to exist along the lines of "Eh, just don't cause TOO much trouble for us in power, kay?" kind of way.

this.

And well said.

 

[Thebobo]

F off you commie asshole. You want violence to be part of the demonstrations? Go suck on Vladdies and the Chinese tit and call it your home.

You need a hug, Ask someone else.

 

[0roo0roo]

from false accusations to incitement to outright violence
funny the left still thinks it holds the high moral ground.

 

[Thebobo]

from false accusations to incitement to outright violence
funny the left still thinks it holds the high moral ground.

Yea I saw anarchists attacking her, notice the flag? Maybe read some of the post here first?

 

[zinfamous]

Your argument is that "these aren't students" because "we just know" because "that simply isn't how Berkeley operates". Look at that objectively and you will see that it is beyond weak. These people always show up to protest the exact same speakers and causes as the very vocal, very visible far left students and faculty. One suspects that actual anarchists would not find 100% agreement with those advocating an all-powerful, all-intrusive federal government. Further, if they truly were unwanted outside agitators, they should be easy for Berkeley's "heavily armed" police force to stop.

You guys want the utility of having these violent thug protesters shutting down speech you don't want heard while retaining plausible deniability of them being part of your progressive movement. That only works a couple times before it becomes apparent that they are the heart of your movement.

Personally I think Berkeley firefighters should adopt the same attitude as university police and management. "Put out the fires? Nah, we're going to let the buildings burn. Get it out of their system. That way nobody gets hurt."

fucking horseshit, man. That is absolutely nothing that I have advocated. Stop pretending that you know what my argument is, the kind of protest that I support.

This is pure fantasy on your part, what you think actual liberals are. I generally think of you as one of the smart people on here, but you really need to drag your ass out of eastern Tennessee and try to learn what actual liberals think, and how they engage in dissenting opinion.

I am not arguing "that's just how it is so trust me," but you refused to listen to all of the evidence placed here and on the news that this is an organized group that has NEVER been affiliated with these universities and these protests. You god damn know that when a mob shows up, as peaceful as they are, troublemakers will then show up and try to redefine the event on their own terms, and you lap it up because it is convenient for your self-confirmed assumption of what "the others think."

You absolutely refuse to accept the facts around you, because you want "the others" to be the enemies that you need them to be.

Tell me again that I support these kind of violent, organized, unaffiliated groups engaging with constitutionally supported peaceful protests.

Milo Dipshit is a vomitous, hateful, scum of a human. Berkeley invited him to talk, they didn't turn him away. Students came out to protest his appearance, but he was allowed to talk. This is how things work. Anarchists show up and then start destroying things, then Milo decides not to talk.

The left is blamed. Just how you want it. Stop being so fucking obtuse.

 

[zinfamous]

from false accusations to incitement to outright violence
funny the left still thinks it holds the high moral ground.

You've targeted your next pedophile pizza parlor, yet?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sure, it's obvious that you support violent protests to stifle free speech by conservatives.

"You know American politics is fraying when California liberals are plotting how to secede from the Union, Berkeley is the new poster child for suppressing free speech on college campuses, and fascist gangs dressed in black go around destroying property and physically assaulting people who hold differing political views — all while calling themselves “anti-fascists.”"

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/liberals-743080-berkeley-union.html

fucking horseshit, man. That is absolutely nothing that I have advocated. Stop pretending that you know what my argument is, the kind of protest that I support.

This is pure fantasy on your part, what you think actual liberals are. I generally think of you as one of the smart people on here, but you really need to drag your ass out of eastern Tennessee and try to learn what actual liberals think, and how they engage in dissenting opinion.

I am not arguing "that's just how it is so trust me," but you refused to listen to all of the evidence placed here and on the news that this is an organized group that has NEVER been affiliated with these universities and these protests. You god damn know that when a mob shows up, as peaceful as they are, troublemakers will then show up and try to redefine the event on their own terms, and you lap it up because it is convenient for your self-confirmed assumption of what "the others think."

You absolutely refuse to accept the facts around you, because you want "the others" to be the enemies that you need them to be.

Tell me again that I support these kind of violent, organized, unaffiliated groups engaging with constitutionally supported peaceful protests.

Milo Dipshit is a vomitous, hateful, scum of a human. Berkeley invited him to talk, they didn't turn him away. Students came out to protest his appearance, but he was allowed to talk. This is how things work. Anarchists show up and then start destroying things, then Milo decides not to talk.

The left is blamed. Just how you want it. Stop being so fucking obtuse.

 

[Thebobo]

Sure, it's obvious that you support violent protests to stifle free speech by conservatives.

"You know American politics is fraying when California liberals are plotting how to secede from the Union, Berkeley is the new poster child for suppressing free speech on college campuses, and fascist gangs dressed in black go around destroying property and physically assaulting people who hold differing political views — all while calling themselves “anti-fascists.”"

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/liberals-743080-berkeley-union.html

Probably be best if you didn't get your news from one person's opinion piece.

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[imported_tajmahal]

Probably be best if you didn't get your news from one person's opinion piece.

No shit Sherlock, it's purpose was to show that the mainstream opinion of Berkeley is that it is now a bastion of free speech suppression. That even if it's a fascist/anarchist group that provides the violence it's only with the support and enabling of the liberals/progressives there.

 

[MrSquished]

No shit Sherlock, it's purpose was to show that the mainstream opinion of Berkeley is that it is now a bastion of free speech suppression. That even if it's a fascist/anarchist group that provides the violence it's only with the support and enabling of the liberals/progressives there.

If I lived there I wouldn't support or enable them. I'm also not going to go out there and try to confront a violent mob of hoodlums either. That's the police's job

 

[peonyu]

There is more than meets the eye here. If i had to wager some money on this, id go with the story that the mayor told the police to stand down, and in effect allowed Milo's speech to be disrupted and for Trump supporters to be physically harassed and even assaulted. I dont care what ideology you agree with or dont like, that has no business in this country and the Mayor or WHOEVER told all of the police to hide in the lunch room should be charged.

Also the school should be sued. If i was one of the Trump people there and was physically harmed, i would make a civil rights case and sue over it...im not a big fan of suing but in this case its warranted since a faction of people was [seemingly] intentionally denied protection for nearly 4 hours. And the story of WHY the police allowed this to happen should come out to.