Major violent protest in UC Berkeley

[JSt0rm]

Obviously, he thrives on conflict. That is how he makes money. This is why the violent protests were counter-productive. You are helping the man you claim to oppose when you execute the plays that he has scripted for you. I know this person exists only because of the violence by protesters against him. I am not sure how he monetizes that but he obviously does in some way.

Thats why I think he has people planted in the crowds.

 

[MongGrel]

Yes, but most of those followers/readers/viewers are far left of center looking for something to hate.

I think you fumbled that one badly.

 

[disappoint]

I think you fumbled that one badly.

You would.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So I read the first six pages of Vic making an ass out of himself, is there anything between page six and twelve where he provides an example of how Milo instigates violence?

 

[werepossum]

I agree with a few tidbits of Milo, but overall disagree. However I'm actually VERY glad he is going out to college campus'. One of the biggest problems in our poltiics is the lack of debate. The lack of the ability for 2 sane, rational people to have a disagreement and walk away simply saying "I disagree with their opinion, however, I gave my thoughts, and they gave their thoughts". Milo is a perfect example of this. He might be an extreme side, but he holds no shame and doesn't try to keep liberals out from his speeches. They are free to come in and ask questions or debate as well.

This protesting is simply trying to silence, and it's not healthy for the economy, it's not healthy for our future, and it's not healthy for the future of kids in school that are THIS level of retard.

Keep in mind, all these protests you're seeing... Did it do anything to stop present Trump from being elected? I didn't even vote for the dumbass and I still shake my head knowing that it's the democrats who lost, not the Republicans that won.

Well said.

We're not the Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea.

lol +1

The University should have refused Milo in the first place. He isn't free speech, he's the political equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater. And they have no obligation to provide a platform for every single voice as it is.
As for the moderates on either side, they're still in shock. And, even though Bannon and Breitbart are now public knowledge, most of the public is still unaware of Trump's fascist propaganda tactics, including using agents provocateur like Milo to stir up violence on the campuses.

Man, you guys go full-on brown shirt when you don't get your way.

They were chanting "No borders, no nation, !@#$ deportation". Videos.
No nation? Anarchists by definition.

These are the people who want to "fundamentally transform America".

Let me know when cannibals and child rape advocates are given a platform for this "disagreement".

The bottom line is:

1) There is no such thing as free speech. Having anyone come and speak carries a price tag. The big question is whether or not the cost–benefit ratio makes it worthwhile to have it happen.

2) Opinions are not whimsical and meaningless. They're not subjective. Objectively, they are placed on a scale of accurate to inaccurate based on reality. Garbage-tier opinions aren't worth anyone's time unless they're into Dada humor.

3) People do not have infinite time to vet everything. When garbage-tier opinions are put out there, by invitation, they are given a level of respect that suggests they might be worthwhile.

You, sir, are worse than Hitler. Although luckily, lazier and much less charismatic.

No worries about accusation, I just used your post as a jumping off point because there are people who will think harm is warranted, not you. A problem of violence is that it doesn't always end when you like. Sometimes the response is immediate and sometimes it causes a like response at another time or place. That should be painfully obvious to those time but today I don't take common sense for granted,quite the reverse.

Of course he thinks harm is warranted. He's just another voice in the leftist "I don't agree with violent protests, but they deserve this violence" choir. First they throw out the platitude, then they tell you exactly why they feel the violence is deserved.

 

[Vic]

Man, you guys go full-on brown shirt when you don't get your way

How do you not recognize that Milo's core message, that one should act entitled to freedom without responsibility or accountability, is a threat to our republic?
Freedom can't exist without some level of expected (but ideally unenforced) civility. Violence is the inevitable result of a breakdown of common decency, and this guy is leading that charge.
I'm not defending any violence, I'm just saying that you're idiots if you expected a different result.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

How do you not recognize that Milo's core message, that one should act entitled to freedom without responsibility or accountability, is a threat to our republic?
Freedom can't exist without some level of expected (but ideally unenforced) civility. Violence is the inevitable result of a breakdown of common decency, and this guy is leading that charge.
I'm not defending any violence, I'm just saying that you're idiots if you expected a different result.

What actions specifically should he be held accountable for, and what are the actions required to make right on his part?

 

[Vic]

What actions specifically should he be held accountable for, and what are the actions required to make right on his part?

Well, articles like how women shouldn't be allowed to study the sciences or "the 10 reasons why I hate Muslims" are good starts.
But I guess some people believe that 'free speech' means the right to spread stories about what I did to your mother last night. Or at least, that's what he's selling.
Concepts like 'make right' are irrelevant to this discussion. The biggest lie he's spreading is the notion that social disapproval is the same as a crime. Go away is all I'm looking for.

 

[MongGrel]

You would.

And yet you have not figured out your mistake yet.

I'm not about to point it out, I'll just watch you tie yourself in knots.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

iirc he had a television interview where he said women are best suited at being mothers and that men are better scientists, I don't remember him advocating forbidding women from studying science. That makes a lot of conservative old religious people part of the alt-right and deserving of violence too, huh?

I Googled the other one, nice creative interpretation of the title you got there (hating Islam isn't the same thing as hating Muslims). I quickly skimmed the transcript on Breitbart, he stereotypes and talks in broad terms, but so what? It seemed roughly as offensive as a speech one might make about Christianity using its violent and primitive history.

 

[Vic]

iirc he had a television interview where he said women are best suited at being mothers and that men are better scientists, I don't remember him advocating forbidding women from studying science. That makes a lot of conservative old religious people part of the alt-right and deserving of violence too, huh?

I Googled the other one, nice creative interpretation of the title you got there (hating Islam isn't the same thing as hating Muslims). I quickly skimmed the transcript on Breitbart, he stereotypes and talks in broad terms, but so what? It seemed roughly as offensive as a speech one might make about Christianity using its violent and primitive history.

When did I say that anyone was deserving of violence?

 

[werepossum]

How do you not recognize that Milo's core message, that one should act entitled to freedom without responsibility or accountability, is a threat to our republic?
Freedom can't exist without some level of expected (but ideally unenforced) civility. Violence is the inevitable result of a breakdown of common decency, and this guy is leading that charge.
I'm not defending any violence, I'm just saying that you're idiots if you expected a different result.

Of course you're defending violence - as long as it's against the right people. You're attempting to define civility as saying only what you want said, and defending violence as "the inevitable result" of saying what you don't want to hear. THAT is a threat to our republic. THAT is fundamentally transforming America. But fundamentally transforming America not into some liberal utopia, but into the world's richest third world one party hell hole where mobs descend on anyone speaking what they do not wish to hear.

 

[Vic]

Of course you're defending violence - as long as it's against the right people. You're attempting to define civility as saying only what you want said, and defending violence as "the inevitable result" of saying what you don't want to hear. THAT is a threat to our republic. THAT is fundamentally transforming America. But fundamentally transforming America not into some liberal utopia, but into the world's richest third world one party hell hole where mobs descend on anyone speaking what they do not wish to hear.

So I guess if I told everyone about what I did to your wife last night, that would just be something that you didn't wish to hear? Why are you trying to block my free speech?
Like I said, buddy, violence is the inevitable result of a breakdown of common decency. Partisanship has nothing to do with my opinion in this regard. In fact, I believe it's a big part of the problem.

 

[werepossum]

So I guess if I told everyone about what I did to your wife last night, that would just be something that you didn't wish to hear? Why are you trying to block my free speech?
Like I said, buddy, violence is the inevitable result of a breakdown of common decency. Partisanship has nothing to do with my opinion in this regard. In fact, I believe it's a big part of the problem.

But nothing Milo is saying is revealing any actual offense against you - it's just speech you don't like to hear. If you label speech you don't like as "a breakdown of common decency" worthy of violence, you've effectively opposed free speech and endorsed mob rule.

 

[jackstar7]

But nothing Milo is saying is revealing any actual offense against you - it's just speech you don't like to hear. If you label speech you don't like as "a breakdown of common decency" worthy of violence, you've effectively opposed free speech and endorsed mob rule.

Milo's goal there wasn't speech. It was to fuck up people's lives and show his followers how to do so.

Meh. Milo is no Ken M.

 

[Vic]

But nothing Milo is saying is revealing any actual offense against you - it's just speech you don't like to hear. If you label speech you don't like as "a breakdown of common decency" worthy of violence, you've effectively opposed free speech and endorsed mob rule.

You keep trying to make this personal when it's not. Like I said earlier, the biggest lie this guy is selling is the notion that social disapproval is the same as a crime. Looks like you bought.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Another leftist violent thug mob attack to shut down free speech this time at NYU. It probably deserves it's own thread, since the guy isn't Milo, but some other comedian named Gavin McInnes.
http://www.nyunews.com/2017/02/02/2-2-news-gavin/
I think we're going to see a lot of violent protests by the left in the coming months and years, anything to silence their opposition.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You keep trying to make this personal when it's not. Like I said earlier, the biggest lie this guy is selling is the notion that social disapproval is the same as a crime. Looks like you bought.

Who is calling peaceful protests criminal? ANTIFA is not social disapproval, it's alt-left radicals committing criminal acts (which they are largely not held accountable for, btw, in stark contrast to Milo).

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Another leftist violent thug mob attack to shut down free speech this time at NYU. It probably deserves it's own thread, since the guy isn't Milo, but some other comedian named Gavin McInnes.
http://www.nyunews.com/2017/02/02/2-2-news-gavin/
I think we're going to see a lot of violent protests by the left in the coming months and years, anything to silence their opposition.

lol, I was trying to remember his name but couldn't as an example of a random comedian saying technically sexist/offensive shit not much different from what Milo says. Now it appears it would have been a bad analogy, lol.

 

[mect]

The violent demonstrators were apparently groups of anarchists from around the bay area.

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.co...ley-violence-protests-california-golden-bears

 

[werepossum]

You keep trying to make this personal when it's not. Like I said earlier, the biggest lie this guy is selling is the notion that social disapproval is the same as a crime. Looks like you bought.

Hmmm.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...peech-berkeley-kass-0203-20170202-column.html

There've been many examples over the past year or so, of violence at political rallies and so on, but how about something that's fresh in the news?

Berkeley.

People were beaten there by leftist mobs in the name of social justice, beaten to the ground to prevent free speech. Young Trump supporters were beaten.


Trump hints at cutting federal funds to UC Berkeley after violent protests over Milo Yiannopoulos
This took place on the same University of California at Berkeley campus where the "free speech" movement was born decades ago, back when Scott McKenzie sang his gentle song calling young people to California to wear flowers in their hair.

But you can't smell the flowers when your hair stinks of pepper spray, can you?

Not all the protesters were violent. Many on the left, even the most angry, hold dear to free speech. And legitimate protesters were on campus to demonstrate against a scheduled talk by hard right provocateur, gay bigot and self-described troll Milo Yiannopoulos.

He was supposed to speak to a few hundred. But the riots caused the university to cancel his talk, and the publicity carried the Milo brand to millions. So he of the alt-right got what he wanted. The alt-left gave it to him.

In this, they're symbiotic species, feeding off the same nutrient: rage.

I find the pro-white alt-right repugnant, but then I'm no a fan of Black Lives Matter protesters chanting for "dead cops" either. But I am a fan of liberty and free speech, even speech that I consider objectionable.

And those members of the hard and angry left who used mob violence to silence objectionable speech revealed themselves as fascist.

With pro-and-con protesters outside the assembly hall at Berkeley came a mob of some 150 or so, mostly young, their faces covered, attacking Trump supporters with sticks, rocks, fists. They also set fires, and police said there were Molotov cocktails.

One of the victims was Kiara Robles, a young woman with a red baseball cap, similar in style to Trump's "Make America Great Again" hats.

But her Trump-style hat said, "Make Bitcoin Great Again," and she was willing to talk to a local ABC TV news crew.

Amid the shouts and anger all around her, Robles took pains to credit those on the left who were nonviolent.

"I'm looking to make a statement by just being here, and I think the protesters are doing the same," she said. "Props to the ones who are doing it nonviolently, but I think that's a very rare thing indeed."

Immediately, she was attacked.

And in full view of the news crew and on video, pepper spray was sprayed in her face. She went down.

If you've ever been sprayed in the face with a chemical agent, you'll never forget the feeling.

Your eyes don't merely shut, they disappear. Your lungs disappear. Breath is gone. Control is gone. Resolve is gone, and all by chemical design.

It happened to me. Just out of my teens, I'd been in a brawl and was sprayed by police. They grabbed me by my long hair, pulled my head back, and hit me with the stream from a distance of a few inches. My politics were much different then, but I can still remember the spray.

It takes the fight out of you.

But the sin of what happened to Miss Robles at Berkeley is not that it took the fight out of her.

It's the possibility that it took the tolerance out of her.

Because that's what mob violence does. That's what shaming people on social media can do as well. The application of angry group force can take the dignity from victims. The void fills with anger.

Since the Berkeley riot, a common lament is that it was such a small thing, really, and that by using violence, the hard left has actually helped Trump.

Their violence has colored his legitimate critics with the stain of their mob action. And there is some truth to this.

Trump is an objectionable personality, not remotely conservative, a braggart and a bully. And in his typical ham-handed style, he even went so far as to threaten to deny federal funds to Berkeley for its treatment of Yiannopoulos. Yiannopoulos is connected to Breitbart, a pro-right news site once led by Trump adviser Steve Bannon. Berkeley didn't stop Yiannopoulos. The protesters did.

Yet there is a difference between Trump and the left.

Trump was elected president.

And the left was not.

For all their talk of tolerance and social justice and diversity, the political left is at bottom, all about force.

The force used to silence dissent. The force used to carve out "safe spaces" at universities to protect students from challenging ideas. The force used against those who hold differing views.

And ultimately, it is about using the force of government, under the color of law and with government's awesome power to tax and destroy, to compel outcomes, modify behavior, shape culture and change minds.

And force was on display at Berkeley the other night, an odious mob from the left silencing an odious troll of the right, in the place where the left's free speech movement was born.

http://sfist.com/2017/02/02/video_inside_the_milo_protests_that.php

UC Berkeley will probably think twice before booking another Breitbart histrionic to speak on campus, as last night’s canceled Milo Yiannopoulos event escalated into lively and sometimes violent protests along Bancroft Way, Shattuck Avenue, and Telegraph Avenue. The destroyed generator-powered spotlight seen above was just the beginning of the post-Milo mayhem, with roughly 1,500 protesters gathering outside the MLK Student Union. The protest turned to the streets after an announcement that the event had been canceled, and the situation turned predictably vandalous when some 150 masked black bloc demonstrators directed their fury mostly at bank storefronts, but with a T-Mobile, a Starbucks, and a Target also seeing collateral damage.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...ter-protest/htFyg9NRPl0Q5BQI7zhNyH/story.html

A 21-year-old student who supports President Donald Trump was beaten up on the University of California, Berkeley campus a day after violent protests led authorities to cancel a controversial speech.

Jack Palkovic says he was wearing a ‘‘Make America Great Again’’ cap and on his way to class Thursday when a white SUV slammed to a stop and two young men ran toward him.

One of the men screamed an epithet, grabbed Palkovic’s hat, and pummeled him before the two got back in the vehicle and tried to drive away. An Associated Press reporter witnessed the attack.

Police arrived, blocked their escape and arrested both men.

Hmmm indeed. When "social disapproval" takes the form of assaults, beatings, vandalism and looting, then social disapproval is exactly the same as a crime. Well, multiple crimes, technically. By gangs of leftist thugs.

Hey, here's an idea we can all get behind: Let's show our "social disapproval" by shooting these thugs like any other mad dogs. After all, like you said it's not a crime if it's "social disapproval". That's a big lie.

 

[Maxima1]

I quickly skimmed the transcript on Breitbart, he stereotypes and talks in broad terms, but so what? It seemed roughly as offensive as a speech one might make about Christianity using its violent and primitive history.

It's pretty much always BS when someone complains about stereotyping because generalizing is what everyone does, and isn't really problematic unless false. Many of those who critique Milo as doing that are the one's who claim one gender/race has the privilege and the rest don't and are "oppressed" by society.

 

[John Connor]

A person's house is not a crime or a threat to your liberties.

No, but it's hypocritical. He should spread that wealth around. 🙂

 

[trenchfoot]

This blossoming relationship between Trump, guys like Milo and the folks that empowered these asshole cretins will be most interesting to observe and pick over these next four years.

It's turning out to be a very close approximation of a reality show that should be called "Scaring America Straight".

Donny boy, oh Donny boy-oh, I salute you. Sieg Heil an' all of that kind'a shit.

 

[zinfamous]

The violent demonstrators were apparently groups of anarchists from around the bay area.

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.co...ley-violence-protests-california-golden-bears

I mentioned this two days ago.

Don't worry, Trump and his supporters in this thread will continue to call them students and blame the University.