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Major violent protest in UC Berkeley

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imported_tajmahal said:
Again you have protesters that were actively breaking the law and had been informed by lawful order to disperse. Violent protests by the right to suppress legal free speech not found. Try again.
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Here is just one subset of the right that often uses violence to suppress the constitutionally protected rights of others. You will notice that the link I provided includes a body count - DEAD PEOPLE. Please don't act like violence isn't part of the right wing protest movement. Just this week in Canada, a right wing extremist went on a murder spree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I have no problem condemning the violence of the protesters in Berkeley. They undermine their credibility by engaging in it. If you are going to win in the war of ideas, you should do it with your superior intellect, superior ideas and superior eloquence, not your fists.
 
bshole said:
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If you are going to win in the war of ideas, you should do it with your superior intellect, superior ideas and superior eloquence, not your fists.
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Trump rating 1-10

superior intellect 5
superior ideas 2
superior eloquence -10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 
senseamp said:
Maybe you are getting screwed with recruiting if your Berkeley grads are same level as flyover state grads.
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Doubtful but doesn't matter. The engineering students are too busy doing problem sets and research to bother with silly protests. That is why you never see protests at pure engineering schools like MIT and Cal Tech.
 
So, what Milo Yiannopoulos is peddling at various universities is now considered "conservative thought"?!. Most conservative's I know, beg to differ.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Be careful my friend. Eventually we will engineer and automate away ourselves.
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It's been going on forever. Except us engineers are used to it so we keep on learning new skills and finding new better jobs. Most of the stuff I was doing by hand when out of college is done by software now, but there are far more jobs now. Meanwhile, Trump Trash is praying that dear leader will bring back coal mine and steel mill jobs.
 
I take it this has already been somewhere in this thread?

The university blamed "150 masked agitators" for the unrest, saying they had come to campus to disturb an otherwise peaceful protest.
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At least six people were injured. Some were attacked by the agitators -- who are a part of an anarchist group known as the "Black Bloc" that has been causing problems in Oakland for years, said Dan Mogulof, UC Berkeley spokesman.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/
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http://www.californiagoldenblogs.co...ley-violence-protests-california-golden-bears

They’ve been around for decades, but in the past three months they’ve been especially visible: protesters in head-to-toe black clothing and ski masks, charging through the streets in public demonstrations, provoking police and leaving a trail of broken windows and flaming piles of debris in their wake.

Pockets of them sowed chaos during peaceful protests in Portland the week Donald Trump was elected president, smashing electrical boxes and spray-painting buildings, and prompting a volley of rubber bullets from authorities.

They turned out by the hundreds at Trump’s inauguration in January, vandalizing a Starbucks and a Bank of Americaand torching a limousine in downtown Washington.

And on Wednesday, swarms of them shut down a planned speech by the conservative provocateur and Breitbart writer Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of California at Berkeley. Some 1,500 people had showed up to demonstrate against the event when a black-clad mob of a few dozen started breaking windows and setting fires at the campus.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-from-dc-to-berkeley/?utm_term=.3484eb6db46b
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I appreciate the effort, but again this doesn't show a violent protest in an attempt by the right to silence a speaker. It does show political violence to stop a legal action by Doctors and support staff, but doesn't fit what was asked. I also applaud you for separating yourself from the other leftists in this forum to condemn the violence in Berkeley.

bshole said:
Here is just one subset of the right that often uses violence to suppress the constitutionally protected rights of others. You will notice that the link I provided includes a body count - DEAD PEOPLE. Please don't act like violence isn't part of the right wing protest movement. Just this week in Canada, a right wing extremist went on a murder spree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I have no problem condemning the violence of the protesters in Berkeley. They undermine their credibility by engaging in it. If you are going to win in the war of ideas, you should do it with your superior intellect, superior ideas and superior eloquence, not your fists.
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senseamp said:
It's been going on forever. Except us engineers are used to it so we keep on learning new skills and finding new better jobs. Most of the stuff I was doing by hand when out of college is done by software now, but there are far more jobs now. Meanwhile, Trump Trash is praying that dear leader will bring back coal mine and steel mill jobs.
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Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The power to destroy a job classification is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

There is a display in Terminal 3 at SFO of late 19th century and early 20th century gambling devices. I can't help but marvel at the ingenuity, artistry and engineering of such craft manufactured machines. I feel that through automation and economy of scale, we've lost some of the "machine spirit". I am actually glad to see craft manufacturing making somewhat of a comeback.

Granted, you can't make sophisticated airplanes and buildings in a craft based world, but its the old school engineers and tradesmen who will own the future when the electricity runs out. Software engineering is not a legacy engineering field, and would immediately become obsolete if the computers ever stopped working.
 
Vic said:
"And I believe that all women, blacks, gays, Muslims, Hispanics, liberals, and Democrats should be treated like second class citizens and, if you disagree with me, then you should be treated like a second class citizen too."
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Which pretty much means he meets the description of every single conservative as long as you're getting the description from liberals.

As long as the opponent is endlessly and dishonestly depicted as no better than a Nazi, I guess violence isn't hard to justify.
 
Atreus21 said:
Which pretty much means he meets the description of every single conservative as long as you're getting the description from liberals.

As long as the opponent is endlessly and dishonestly depicted as no better than a Nazi, I guess violence isn't hard to justify.
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I never justified any violence, and the overwhelming majority of the conservatives that I know in real life are compassionate people who are usually completely unaware of Trump's alt-right BS.
 
Vic said:
I never justified any violence, and the overwhelming majority of the conservatives that I know in real life are compassionate people who are usually completely unaware of Trump's alt-right BS.
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Do they believe that all women, blacks, gays, Muslims, Hispanics, liberals, and Democrats should be treated like second class citizens and, if you disagree with them, then they should be treated like a second class citizen as well? Or are they somehow different than your demonic stereotype?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Do they believe that all women, blacks, gays, Muslims, Hispanics, liberals, and Democrats should be treated like second class citizens and, if you disagree with them, then they should be treated like a second class citizen as well? Or are they somehow different than your demonic stereotype?
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Go whack off your straw men with someone else.
 
Vic said:
And you pretend that all that is completely one sided. Which it most definitely is not.
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You keep saying that, and I asked before. Can you provide instances of the evil righties preventing some libbie from talking on campus simply because they didn't like his ideology? Or worse, use violence to make sure that lib would not be allowed to speak on campus?
 
PokerGuy said:
You keep saying that, and I asked before. Can you provide instances of the evil righties preventing some libbie from talking on campus simply because they didn't like his ideology? Or worse, use violence to make sure that lib would not be allowed to speak on campus?
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No, but I can provide an example of a Milo disciple shooting up a mosque.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The power to destroy a job classification is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

There is a display in Terminal 3 at SFO of late 19th century and early 20th century gambling devices. I can't help but marvel at the ingenuity, artistry and engineering of such craft manufactured machines. I feel that through automation and economy of scale, we've lost some of the "machine spirit". I am actually glad to see craft manufacturing making somewhat of a comeback.

Granted, you can't make sophisticated airplanes and buildings in a craft based world, but its the old school engineers and tradesmen who will own the future when the electricity runs out. Software engineering is not a legacy engineering field, and would immediately become obsolete if the computers ever stopped working.
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Automation is a fantastic thing. It has allowed us to produce a lot more than we could before with a lot less effort.
There is a lot of superb craftsmanship in tech, a lot of is just at a microscopic level an in software, so you can't see it. We all like old museum pieces, but the people living in those days would love to have all the stuff we got.
I am not familiar with electricity running out, but I think once there is not enough solar energy to generate electricity, having electricity won't be the biggest problem.
 
senseamp said:
Automation is a fantastic thing. It has allowed us to produce a lot more than we could before with a lot less effort.
There is a lot of superb craftsmanship in tech, a lot of is just at a microscopic level an in software, so you can't see it. We all like old museum pieces, but the people living in those days would love to have all the stuff we got.
I am not familiar with electricity running out, but I think once there is not enough solar energy to generate electricity, having electricity won't be the biggest problem.
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The same technology that people worship can easily be manipulated to work against them. Automation will be used to make the very few rich while possibly hurting many others. Tools ultimately are used by the very powerful to control the many.

Ever see the movie Wall-E? Unfortunately, that is where we are headed due to this blind admiration of technology.

We can already see Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites create such chaos in the world. Think about it: if not for the internet, guys like Trump would have little chance of winning. All this technology that has been pushed down on people is coming from corporate America. These are your owners. They give you the toys to play with and they can one day control you with those same toys.

Yes, technology has helped humans in some ways but there is a lot more to story.
 
raildogg said:
The same technology that people worship can easily be manipulated to work against them. Automation will be used to make the very few rich while possibly hurting many others. Tools ultimately are used by the very powerful to control the many.

Ever see the movie Wall-E? Unfortunately, that is where we are headed due to this blind admiration of technology.

We can already see Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites create such chaos in the world. Think about it: if not for the internet, guys like Trump would have little chance of winning. All this technology that has been pushed down on people is coming from corporate America. These are your owners. They give you the toys to play with and they can one day control you with those same toys.

Yes, technology has helped humans in some ways but there is a lot more to story.
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That's a government policy question. We had industrialization that made a few people very rich but created a lot of inequality, then we solved that problem with New Deal, then we decided to unsolve it with Reaganomics, now we are having automation, and we'll need a New Deal 2.0. Industrialization and automation (and trade) are a net positive, it's the job of the government to distribute the wealth they generate to maintain political stability, which is not yet happening in the US yet, but will be once we try another idiotic conservative approach leading to another epic failure. If you make a bigger pie but distribute it worse than you would a smaller pie, then you don't have a pie problem, you have a pie distribution problem.
 
Vic said:
No, but I can provide an example of a Milo disciple shooting up a mosque.
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I don't know who Milo is...but I would like to know the example, as I am curious.

A disciple is one who follows the teaching or a leader. So in your words Milo told, taught, led others on shooting up a Mosque? This I doubt very much...
 
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