Maine Shooting dozens dead or injured.

[kage69]

I used to live not far from there. I've driven by that place more than a few times on my way downeast, had friends in Lewiston and Auburn. I don't know anyone who knew people there, but some of the stories I've heard are just heartbreaking. The vet that got in front of people to shield them. The bar manager who tried to flank the shooter and take him down with a knife. Maybe it's all the Gaza shit that's got me angry and disgusted already, but I had to stop listening and reading about it. So close to home.

I'll say this: my empathy for mental illness goes out the window when you murder innocent people. I'm glad he offed himself. He didn't take any more people down with him and spared the taxpayers lengthy trials and incarceration. No keeping people scared and hiding like with the DC sniper (something I was in DC/Maryland for coincidentally). No prolonged manhunt in what can be some of the thickest bush north of the Darien Gap, and for someone proficient too. Guy doesn't sound like a nervous teen new to guns and afraid of the woods.

I guess now we wait and see if the people who felt personally affected will do something about it. A bunch of right wing politicians and demagogues have homes there though. Maine is their east coast hunting/fishing/summer sanctuary. I expect they will resist any additional gun legislation with extra vigor. Hope I'm wrong though. We've seen right wingers do about faces once they are personally affected, maybe it can happen here to a degree.

 

[soulcougher73]

The best way to stop gun violence is to just start shooting Republicans.

Wouldnt that also be gun violence?

 

[kage69]

Have you met the Massey (R-KY) Family?

Every finger off the trigger except his. Telling.

 

[soulcougher73]

from a practical perspective, nuclear is kind of a dead end. plants take 10-20 years to bring online, let alone to pay off. i wish that weren't the case, but that is the case. maybe SMRs will change things, especially for large manufacturing facilities.

renewables are brought online much faster.

Took 10 years for unit 3 and 4 to go online this year at Vogtle in Georgia. They are not cheap. Had a ex co-worker who worked on this engineering some.

Vogtle Electric Generating Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't agree. For starters, I seriously doubt the US as a country survives til that time.

So much of what you say is projection. Even the name you chose for yourself refers to darkness and weapons. The above tells us of your deep pessimism and mistrust of humanity generally. As I have told you before, I think you often see what others gloss over or miss entirely. But the reason you see so much more that many, in my opinion is because you are rather deeply bitter. You hate how the world and the blindness of the people in it create so much pain.

We share many points of view. Perhaps you may remember that I have said that people would rather die or kill rather than awaken. Guns keep the Boogieman at bay. They create a sense that one’s personal safety is in one’s own hands. It also adds to the worry that others who want to do harm might be better armed. This, I think is the reason for the popularity of the AR platform. Civilian gun innovation drives military weapon design rather than the other way round, historically.

Anyway, the point I think you miss is that the personal negativity and bitterness from which you see the world is not a reflection of abstract truth, but derives from you own painful personal experience. Someone did a number on you, perhaps more than one person. Your world is dark because you believe it. I do not. The world is and has always been perfect.

You're also grossly underestimating youth and guns. I know shitloads of younger people that are fucking obsessed with guns. It got started 2 ways, either gun-nut family members and/or video games (them obsessing over their Call of Duty "loadouts" and the like). The percentage of them buying guns might be lower, but the ones buying are more obsessed with them than even these older gun owners (who viewed them more as tools or occasional fun at the shooting range).

I think some are going one way and others another way, but basically in a state of sleep so much truth here. But the despair this may bring has no solution out there.

Its because his brain is desperately calling out for help.

I am full of interest in my psychological state and aware that there is much I am unaware of, but I defeated the darkness that haunted my years and years ago. I would say I am pretty mentally healthy because I know that real personal anguish is the product of self hate, and I have no need to pretend that I feel that unconsciously and don’t blame anybody else for any pain that I might feel, like your need to put me in a save box on your shelf.

He hates himself, because he's so consumed by fear. Its why he's been seeking guidance, unfortunately all he found was pathetically broken man-children like JP who is teaching people like Moonie to turn their hatred outwards, which to his credit, Moonie mostly sees through, but unfortunately he can't overcome the near constant fearmongering by the right wingers (whilst they tell people that legitimate fears are all made up or should be dealt with by psychotic violence).

That box. I am a nobody. I don’t have the tools to help you but I will guide you as I can.

PS: Jordan Peterson does not know he hates himself. I know that I do and that he does too. He focuses on half of the way out. It’s an important part.

 

[Moonbeam]

I really hope so.

We create what we fear. The wheel of Karma spins in a circle, every half turn a mirror image of the other side. You seek your own madness reflected back at you. The truth is always a third way. You drink from the cup of ego certainty. You are a nobody and you know nothing. Too bad you don't see what a wonderful place that is to be. Pillar to post we lurch like drunken sailors.

 

[Meghan54]

Took 10 years for unit 3 and 4 to go online this year at Vogtle in Georgia. They are not cheap. Had a ex co-worker who worked on this engineering some.

Vogtle Electric Generating Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I worked at the closest hospital (of any size/capability) to Vogtle back in late ‘80’s. Hosp was designated first stop for nuclear accident victims.

Helped get the hosp/ER/MD’s and select nursing staff to pass the testing by NRC, etc. Was a fun time in Waynesboro, GA back then. 🤪

 

[Moonbeam]

NYT: “There’s paranoia, there’s some conspiracy theorist piece,” said Commissioner Michael J. Sauschuck of the state’s public safety department. He said the man believed, wrongly, that “people were talking about him” and may have also been hearing voices.

This is diagnostic of self hate, where your own feelings about yourself that are profoundly repressed leak out as projection, the suspicion that others can see the truth of your inner condition that you struggle to deny. The tension between hearing ones own feelings about oneself appearing to be echoed by others and the need to deny the feeling those feelings represent ones actual worth create an inner dynamic of panic and fear that the imagination fancies can be stilled by silencing those imaginary voices.

This is such a simple obvious fact it's hard to imagine people don't see it, but they don't because we all suffer the same condition. How many here in this forum think that I tell you you hate yourselves to make you feel bad. You already feel it and hate me for seeing it. But I only see in you what I have allowed myself to see about myself. I'm just past the denial stage. Nothing about that makes me unique or special, or better than other people. Once upon a time I became a seeker because I hurt inside too badly to stay asleep. Seek and you will find if your need is sufficient.

 

[Moonbeam]

I used to live not far from there. I've driven by that place more than a few times on my way downeast, had friends in Lewiston and Auburn. I don't know anyone who knew people there, but some of the stories I've heard are just heartbreaking. The vet that got in front of people to shield them. The bar manager who tried to flank the shooter and take him down with a knife. Maybe it's all the Gaza shit that's got me angry and disgusted already, but I had to stop listening and reading about it. So close to home.

I'll say this: my empathy for mental illness goes out the window when you murder innocent people. I'm glad he offed himself. He didn't take any more people down with him and spared the taxpayers lengthy trials and incarceration. No keeping people scared and hiding like with the DC sniper (something I was in DC/Maryland for coincidentally). No prolonged manhunt in what can be some of the thickest bush north of the Darien Gap, and for someone proficient too. Guy doesn't sound like a nervous teen new to guns and afraid of the woods.

I guess now we wait and see if the people who felt personally affected will do something about it. A bunch of right wing politicians and demagogues have homes there though. Maine is their east coast hunting/fishing/summer sanctuary. I expect they will resist any additional gun legislation with extra vigor. Hope I'm wrong though. We've seen right wingers do about faces once they are personally affected, maybe it can happen here to a degree.

I'm sure things will change, if slowly, so long as the mental health aspect of the problem, the real problem, remains unaddressed. We can't have people running around not killing other people because they have discovered that the source of gun violence lies, not out there with guns, within themselves.

 

[Greenman]

People control is useless when these people have already killed.

No gun transfers without a full background check sale or gift. Gun registration is tied to the owner. Even if stolen owner is responsible for any crime with that gun.

No gun transfers without psychological screening and mandatory training. Required on a recurring basis.

Federally mandated red flag laws

So a person is responsible for the use of his firearm even if it's taken from them by force. Making the victim of a crime into the perpetrator. I'll go along with that, as long as we also implement family guilt. All family members are guilty of the crimes any one of them commit. Let go full North Korea and make it generational.

 

[fskimospy]

So a person is responsible for the use of his firearm even if it's taken from them by force. Making the victim of a crime into the perpetrator. I'll go along with that, as long as we also implement family guilt. All family members are guilty of the crimes any one of them commit. Let go full North Korea and make it generational.

Why not just ban guns? It works in so many other places.

Is the US just uniquely incompetent? Are we just not able to do the things other countries do because we are too stupid?

 

[MrSquished]

Wouldnt that also be gun violence?

I wasn't being serious, I was just imitating the MAGA fucks these days, who want to just start shooting liberals.

 

[eelw]

Is the US just uniquely incompetent? Are we just not able to do the things other countries do because we are too stupid?

lol YES!!!

 

[fskimospy]

It’s always funny to me how people say the US is the greatest country in the world but when you ask them to solve problems they don’t like all of a sudden the US is uniquely incompetent.

 

[brycejones]

So a person is responsible for the use of his firearm even if it's taken from them by force. Making the victim of a crime into the perpetrator. I'll go along with that, as long as we also implement family guilt. All family members are guilty of the crimes any one of them commit. Let go full North Korea and make it generational.

Bless your heart

 

[Greenman]

Why not just ban guns? It works in so many other places.

Is the US just uniquely incompetent? Are we just not able to do the things other countries do because we are too stupid?

This is list of countries where guns are banned. It doesn't seem all that impressive to me.

• Brunei
• Cambodia
• Comoros
• Eritrea
• Fiji
• Guinea-Bisseau
• Maldives
• Marshall Islands
• Myanmar (except for Chin people)
• Nauru
• North Korea
• Palau
• Seychelles
• Solomon Islands
• Somalia
• Timor-Leste
• Vatican City / Holy See

 

[brycejones]

This is list of countries where guns are banned. It doesn't seem all that impressive to me.

• Brunei
• Cambodia
• Comoros
• Eritrea
• Fiji
• Guinea-Bisseau
• Maldives
• Marshall Islands
• Myanmar (except for Chin people)
• Nauru
• North Korea
• Palau
• Seychelles
• Solomon Islands
• Somalia
• Timor-Leste
• Vatican City / Holy See

Now you're just being dishonest.

 

[fskimospy]

This is list of countries where guns are banned. It doesn't seem all that impressive to me.

• Brunei
• Cambodia
• Comoros
• Eritrea
• Fiji
• Guinea-Bisseau
• Maldives
• Marshall Islands
• Myanmar (except for Chin people)
• Nauru
• North Korea
• Palau
• Seychelles
• Solomon Islands
• Somalia
• Timor-Leste
• Vatican City / Holy See

Any reason you left out the entire developed world where if guns are not totally banned they are very difficult to obtain?

No need to answer that - we both know why.

 

[fskimospy]

Now you're just being dishonest.

To me this is the most telling part about how gun ownership and gun culture is about feeling good emotionally.

They never make a single argument for it on the merits. (Because it has no merits)

 

[HomerJS]

NYT: “There’s paranoia, there’s some conspiracy theorist piece,” said Commissioner Michael J. Sauschuck of the state’s public safety department. He said the man believed, wrongly, that “people were talking about him” and may have also been hearing voices.

This is diagnostic of self hate, where your own feelings about yourself that are profoundly repressed leak out as projection, the suspicion that others can see the truth of your inner condition that you struggle to deny. The tension between hearing ones own feelings about oneself appearing to be echoed by others and the need to deny the feeling those feelings represent ones actual worth create an inner dynamic of panic and fear that the imagination fancies can be stilled by silencing those imaginary voices.

This is such a simple obvious fact it's hard to imagine people don't see it, but they don't because we all suffer the same condition. How many here in this forum think that I tell you you hate yourselves to make you feel bad. You already feel it and hate me for seeing it. But I only see in you what I have allowed myself to see about myself. I'm just past the denial stage. Nothing about that makes me unique or special, or better than other people. Once upon a time I became a seeker because I hurt inside too badly to stay asleep. Seek and you will find if your need is sufficient.

Yet take this same guy with same mental illness in Austrailia and up to 18 people are still alive today.

Why?

 

[HomerJS]

This is list of countries where guns are banned. It doesn't seem all that impressive to me.

• Brunei
• Cambodia
• Comoros
• Eritrea
• Fiji
• Guinea-Bisseau
• Maldives
• Marshall Islands
• Myanmar (except for Chin people)
• Nauru
• North Korea
• Palau
• Seychelles
• Solomon Islands
• Somalia
• Timor-Leste
• Vatican City / Holy See

I guess you don’t need the rest of us to tell you why you are being an intellectually dishonest shitbag

 

[HomerJS]

So a person is responsible for the use of his firearm even if it's taken from them by force. Making the victim of a crime into the perpetrator. I'll go along with that, as long as we also implement family guilt. All family members are guilty of the crimes any one of them commit. Let go full North Korea and make it generational.

If you lock up your gun properly how is someone going to take it by force?

 

[fskimospy]

Yet take this same guy with same mental illness in Austrailia and up to 18 people are still alive today.

Why?

That wouldn’t happen because clearly the reason why the rest of the developed world has so much less gun violence is they all collectively cured mental illness.

It’s really awful that they’ve made this tremendous medical advance and won’t share it with the US.

 

[Greenman]

Any reason you left out the entire developed world where if guns are not totally banned they are very difficult to obtain?

No need to answer that - we both know why.

I searched for "countries where guns are banned". I based that on your statement about countries that had banned guns. You didn't say restricted, you said banned. I'll take a look at the restricted list.

 

[fskimospy]

I searched for "countries where guns are banned". I based that on your statement about countries that had banned guns. You didn't say restricted, you said banned. I'll take a look at the restricted list.

I don’t know why you’re playing dumb here. What’s the point?