MADD campaingning to erradicate drunk driving entirely

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: TravisT
The technology was said to happen on contact through your skin on the steering wheel. There would be no penalty to having this technology for those that didn't drive intoxicated. I would be in favor of having the technology to know that my safety is being looked after while i'm on the road. Afterall, many cases the drunken driver survives the fatality accident in which they caused.

This isn't about protecting the drunken drivers, because hoenstly, i don't care. I care about my child in the backseat of my car when the intoxicated person steps behind the wheel of a car.

Wear gloves?

What if i've touched alchohol but haven't drank any?

I'm guessing gloves wouldnt allow for any blood reading. it would need to be able to verify that yes a human hand was on the wheel. If there is alchohol on your hands I'd consider drying your hands and trying again. You are looking for extreme examples for why it wouldnt work instead of how it could work.

Thats just it though. There are too many ways the system wouldnt work as intended. I sure as hell dont want my car not starting when I have every right (yes, right) to drive.

you aren't being realistic if you are seeking out these extreme cases. The odds of encountering one of these extreme cases where you just got done splashing around in vodka and need to drive right that second .....jeeeeeez.......you may as well play powerball that day.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Also, what's the cutoff # needed before we get auto HDD scanners to check for kiddie porn or anytime of copyright infringement?

copyright infrigement is killing people?

Fine. How about speeders, dangerous & inappropriate lane changes, impeding the flow of traffic, not wearing a seatbelt, etc...

What's the cutoff # for those before we install something in all cars to make sure they follow the speed limit, make safe lane changes, not hold up traffic, wear their seatbelt?

Well we already allow officers to use radar/laser on you car to determine your speed. Is this an invasion of privacy too? Are you being treated like a criminal?

We already allow officers to pull you over for suspected DUI as well.

Actually if you want to get technical officers don't need a reason anymore to pull you over.

And this helps your argument how?

you are all whining about privacy and being treated like a criminal. This is 100x less invasive than what currently goes on on a daily basis.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlimIts a very slippery slope once someone goes into the system. They tend to never get out. They go away to jail come out. no one will hire them now how can they feed there kids or pay rent? The system doesn't rehabilitate you. Its like criminal training school. He won't want to go back there probably but his need to survive surpasses that. and he will do what it takes to survive. but this is getting off the topic.

very true.

but that is what happens when you do something wrong. with #2 DUI they are beyond rehabiltation.

as i said. i would rather punish those that break the law then the innocent. put in the breath thing. stearing wheel thing and a gps. reduce the driving to work/home/doctor.

IF they drive beyond that take them to jail. if caught driving a diffrent car take t hem to jail.

punish those that do the crime. NOt those that may do the crime.

 

[BoberFett]

Do you have one of these devices in your car? If not, you're a hypocrite and a jackass. Lead by example.

 

[L1FE]

Maybe instead of installing these in cars we should look at countries that don't have high rates of drunk driving accidents and see what they've done to solve the problem. I know in England they have special services where someone goes and pick up their car for them. Or maybe we can look at the psychology of having a higher than average drinking age. It just seems like we often try to solve a problem without ever finding out the cause, especially when there are other countries out there that don't seem to have our problems.

 

[sswingle]

I can see the ATOT posts now:

"Oh Noes!!! My car wont start because I had some cough syrup!"

 

[1prophet]

What about all the money the courts, lawyers, cops on overtime, insurance companies, motor vehicle penalty fees, that are made because of drunk driving?

Does anyone think they would give that up so easily by eradicating drunk driving?

 

[So]

All the people piping up for a police state in this thread make me mourn the America that once was the land of the free (and the independent spirited).

 

[Mashed Potato]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Damn... knock off the nested quotes! At least edit out all but the part to which you are directly replying.

I second that. Let us revise this topic and bring it back down to one page. Blowing into a device that would PREVENT you from starting your car if your blood alcohol level was over the legal limit, is a preventative measure. I wish we could erase all irrelevant arguments because scanning a hd for kiddie porn, getting caught speeding, copyright infringement scans, and most of the others mentioned are not preventative measures. That said, these devices are mainly put in cars of repeat offender drunk drivers, with their own money, and usually drive drunk by themselves. As far as ways of getting around it, what are the chances any sane person is going to blow in a strangers steering wheel? As for the MADD suggestion of putting it in every car, that is an implication of proving one's innocence which is not how our system works (already stated). Although MADD is a wonderful group, there is a poor outlook on that suggestion.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: L1FE
Maybe instead of installing these in cars we should look at countries that don't have high rates of drunk driving accidents and see what they've done to solve the problem. I know in England they have special services where someone goes and pick up their car for them. Or maybe we can look at the psychology of having a higher than average drinking age. It just seems like we often try to solve a problem without ever finding out the cause, especially when there are other countries out there that don't seem to have our problems.

Blasphemy. What we need to do it build a system that automatically dials the police if you sit down in your car after one drink and then you get automatically imprisoned for life, for the crime of multiple vehicular homicide.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
you are being left alone. Nobody is bothering you. Your car starts or it doesnt. Its only a bother to you if you are trying to break the law. I'd say checkpoints are many times more bothersome.

WHAT? Each and every single time I get in my car, I have to blow into a tube to prove I'm not drunk, and that's not a bother? GTFO

this OP creature is impervious to reason and logic. your weapons are useless here. run away while there is still time!!!

 

[Mashed Potato]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: L1FE
Maybe instead of installing these in cars we should look at countries that don't have high rates of drunk driving accidents and see what they've done to solve the problem. I know in England they have special services where someone goes and pick up their car for them. Or maybe we can look at the psychology of having a higher than average drinking age. It just seems like we often try to solve a problem without ever finding out the cause, especially when there are other countries out there that don't seem to have our problems.

Blasphemy. What we need to do it build a system that automatically dials the police if you sit down in your car after one drink and then you get automatically imprisoned for life, for the crime of multiple vehicular homicide.

Oh Yeah? I want the drivers seat to turn into an electric chair. No no, I want Zeus to throw a lightning bolt at the offender as he is drinking the first sip of alcohol. No court, no police, no tax dollars wasted.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Mashed Potato

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Damn... knock off the nested quotes! At least edit out all but the part to which you are directly replying.

I second that. Let us revise this topic and bring it back down to one page. Blowing into a device that would PREVENT you from starting your car if your blood alcohol level was over the legal limit, is a preventative measure. I wish we could erase all irrelevant arguments because scanning a hd for kiddie porn, getting caught speeding, copyright infringement scans, and most of the others mentioned are not preventative measures. That said, these devices are mainly put in cars of repeat offender drunk drivers, with their own money, and usually drive drunk by themselves. As far as ways of getting around it, what are the chances any sane person is going to blow in a strangers steering wheel? As for the MADD suggestion of putting it in every car, that is an implication of proving one's innocence which is not how our system works (already stated). Although MADD is a wonderful group, there is a poor outlook on that suggestion.

OK, you want preventative? Software that scans every incoming packet and if it senses something that might be kiddie porn or copyrighted material, it shuts down your computer and you have to have the police reenable it after they check your drive to make sure there was no offending material. That preventative enough for you?

 

[brandonb]

I just got a reckless driving added to my driving record yesterday...

My crime. I had a few beers during the evening and stopped at a DUI checkpoint. I was honest with the officer, he gave me field sobriety, took me to station, gave me breathalizer, etc.

I was under the legal limit. So, I was charged anyways with a "lesser" crime. (Alcohol related Reckless is no different than DUI)

They should just ban alchohol altogether, because I was under the assumption that if I was not 0.08 I was legal to drive. And that wasn't the case. I made sure I was not drunk. But you know what... My testimony to prove my innocence, was determined impermissible by the court. I had no way to defend myself.

Thanks MADD....

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: L1FE
Maybe instead of installing these in cars we should look at countries that don't have high rates of drunk driving accidents and see what they've done to solve the problem. I know in England they have special services where someone goes and pick up their car for them. Or maybe we can look at the psychology of having a higher than average drinking age. It just seems like we often try to solve a problem without ever finding out the cause, especially when there are other countries out there that don't seem to have our problems.

Very good point. The US tries to preach that we are the land of the free...but really our Puritan roots have us so screwed up. We repress so much and just sweep it under the rug until it's piled up so high that it can't be contained any more.

Drinking? It's bad and evil so we'll wait till you are 21 when you can handle it responsibly.

Driving? Old people suck at it, but we won't do anything because we don't want to lose their votes.

Drug addiction? You are evil scum of the earth and we'll waste billions a year on enforcing laws instead of discouraging use.

Sex? It's bad. And only should be used for procreating. How dare you do it for pleasure. You can only have it if you are married and that will prevent STD's and our bastard children problems.

Homosexuality? Don't ask, don't tell. But we'll have a statewide vote to further supress it.

We as a nation are society of reaction. Not prevention. We kneejerk respond when something bad happens because we are too proud to admit that we had the problems in the first place.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Besides, those things don't work right half the time. A colleague of mine had to put one in his car, and half the time it just plain doesn't work and he can't go anywhere.

Hint: HES DRUNK

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: L1FE
Maybe instead of installing these in cars we should look at countries that don't have high rates of drunk driving accidents and see what they've done to solve the problem. I know in England they have special services where someone goes and pick up their car for them. Or maybe we can look at the psychology of having a higher than average drinking age. It just seems like we often try to solve a problem without ever finding out the cause, especially when there are other countries out there that don't seem to have our problems.

Very good point. The US tries to preach that we are the land of the free...but really our Puritan roots have us so screwed up. We repress so much and just sweep it under the rug until it's piled up so high that it can't be contained any more.

Drinking? It's bad and evil so we'll wait till you are 21 when you can handle it responsibly.

Driving? Old people suck at it, but we won't do anything because we don't want to lose their votes.

Drug addiction? You are evil scum of the earth and we'll waste billions a year on enforcing laws instead of discouraging use.

Sex? It's bad. And only should be used for procreating. How dare you do it for pleasure. You can only have it if you are married and that will prevent STD's and our bastard children problems.

Homosexuality? Don't ask, don't tell. But we'll have a statewide vote to further supress it.

We as a nation are society of reaction. Not prevention. We kneejerk respond when something bad happens because we are too proud to admit that we had the problems in the first place.

Amen. Now how do we fix the downward spiral?

 

[Mashed Potato]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Mashed Potato

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Damn... knock off the nested quotes! At least edit out all but the part to which you are directly replying.

I second that. Let us revise this topic and bring it back down to one page. Blowing into a device that would PREVENT you from starting your car if your blood alcohol level was over the legal limit, is a preventative measure. I wish we could erase all irrelevant arguments because scanning a hd for kiddie porn, getting caught speeding, copyright infringement scans, and most of the others mentioned are not preventative measures. That said, these devices are mainly put in cars of repeat offender drunk drivers, with their own money, and usually drive drunk by themselves. As far as ways of getting around it, what are the chances any sane person is going to blow in a strangers steering wheel? As for the MADD suggestion of putting it in every car, that is an implication of proving one's innocence which is not how our system works (already stated). Although MADD is a wonderful group, there is a poor outlook on that suggestion.

OK, you want preventative? Software that scans every incoming packet and if it senses something that might be kiddie porn or copyrighted material, it shuts down your computer and you have to have the police reenable it after they check your drive to make sure there was no offending material. That preventative enough for you?

Very good BoberFett, that is a preventative measure. If we had more relevant posters like you, the world of AT would be a better place. However, I am voting nay for your relevant preventative measure, just as I am against the proposal of steering wheel sensors.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: brandonb
I just got a reckless driving added to my driving record yesterday...

My crime. I had a few beers during the evening and stopped at a DUI checkpoint. I was honest with the officer, he gave me field sobriety, took me to station, gave me breathalizer, etc.

I was under the legal limit. So, I was charged anyways with a "lesser" crime. (Alcohol related Reckless is no different than DUI)

They should just ban alchohol altogether, because I was under the assumption that if I was not 0.08 I was legal to drive. And that wasn't the case. I made sure I was not drunk. But you know what... My testimony to prove my innocence, was determined impermissible by the court. I had no way to defend myself.

Thanks MADD....

That's stupid. It sucks, but if you'd had a lawyer, you might have been alright, but of course, then you'd be out the money for a lawyer.

 

[vi edit]

Amen. Now how do we fix the downward spiral?

Short of a generation or two of absolute chaos and anarchy, I don't have a clue.

I think that any *major* decriminalization would take a decade or two to really settle down and be able to have objective measurements.

Burning lobbiests at the stake would also provide some decent progress...and great entertainment.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Amen. Now how do we fix the downward spiral?

Short of a generation or two of absolute chaos and anarchy, I don't have a clue.

I think that any *major* decriminalization would take a decade or two to really settle down and be able to have objective measurements.

Burning lobbiests at the stake would also provide some decent progress...and great entertainment.

And since most lobbyists are lawyers, that's like a two for one!

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
http://www.suntimes.com/news/commentary/145842,CST-EDT-edits22a.article

i think they should really push for this technology to be mandatory in all cars like a seat belt and airbags

This is ridiculous...are they going to retro-fit every car in the country? Who's going to pay for that? If you go out to dinner and have 1 glass of wine is your car going to lock you out and leave you stranded?

No thanks. :thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Whoever opposes this is a selfish dick with no friend or relative, and with no concern for other people's safety and well-being.

Now, it's different if the device has a 50% failure rate and thinks I'm drunk half the time.

Can I sign you up for a hard drive screening as well? You haven't got any kiddie porn to hide, so you wouldn't mind me browsing your computer?

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Vic
Has MADD become like PETA?

What do you mean become? They've been this way for a long time. Who do you think pushes the continual lowering of BAC limits? Technology is just starting to catch up with their insane lust for authoritarian control over people.

Yeah, I've always felt the lowering of BAC limits made no sense given that almost all drunk driving accidents occur at high BAC levels. This is a solid lesson I guess that emotionally bitter people should not be allowed to gain control over the rest of us, no matter how sorry we feel for their losses.

I couldn't agree more....

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: B00ne
Wow I just checked some statistics - the US sure seems to have a problem with alcohol related fatalities: 39% of all.

Actually, fatalities are quite high in the US in general especially considering the speed limits

Have any statistics based on miles driven?

No, but I think for the US there are such statistics - however they would get those...
Besides, that should be fairly irrelevant. Most miles are certainly driven on interstates, and still have probably the lowest number of accidents/fatalities

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Do you have one of these devices in your car? If not, you're a hypocrite and a jackass. Lead by example.

There Steering wheels are not in production yet from what the article says.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Amen. Now how do we fix the downward spiral?

Short of a generation or two of absolute chaos and anarchy, I don't have a clue.

I think that any *major* decriminalization would take a decade or two to really settle down and be able to have objective measurements.

Burning lobbiests at the stake would also provide some decent progress...and great entertainment.

Lobbyist has to be made as bad of a word as Liberal.

Until that happens nothing will change.