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Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?
 

sswingle

Diamond Member
Mar 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

So, you're my Mom from when I was 16?

find me any legal document that says driving a car/truck/train/boat is a right.

Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

That might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on OT.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
That might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on OT.
Let's keep this moron going. I bet we can get him to say things far more stupid than that.

 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

But you could use your computer for all sorts of illegal purposes, hence, why others in this thread have suggested that you need to let all of us scan your hard drive on a regular basis to ensure that you're not.

im sure I could choke with my toothbrush too. Do we want to just use extremes for the rest of this conversation? I can go get my tin foil hat on if so.

You're the one who started using extremes. These stats of death to drunk drivers is the extreme. Out of the hundred million Americans who drive a car every month, only 1000 people are killed. That means that only 0.00001% of people on the road will be killed by a drunk driver. You're probably more likely to die in a bathroom accident, say choking on your toothbrush, than you are to be killed by a drunk driver. So who's the one going to extremes? I say it's you.

Are the deaths tragic. Yep. Should the drunk driver be held responsible? Yep. But I'll be damned if you're going to treat me like a criminal because of the acts of a tiny minority.

how are you being treated as a criminal? :confused:
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
how are you being treated as a criminal? :confused:
Because you want me to prove I'm not drunk every time I start my car. Are you stupid or do you just play stupid on the internet?

 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
29,932
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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

You want to bring out numbers then support them with evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Also, I'm still waiting on what is the cutoff limit before we use those "numbers" for another privacy invasion like this.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
how are you being treated as a criminal? :confused:
Because you want me to prove I'm not drunk every time I start my car. Are you stupid or do you just play stupid on the internet?

I have to prove I'm over 21 everytime I want to drink......whats your point?
 

sswingle

Diamond Member
Mar 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

How does having a drink make someone drunk?
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

You want to bring out numbers then support them with evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Also, I'm still waiting on what is the cutoff limit before we use those "numbers" for another privacy invasion like this.

how is this a privacy invasion.......??????? there is no reports to authorities. your car starts or it doesn't.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

How does having a drink make someone drunk?

I said driving under the influence. Not drunk. driving under the influence is any amount over .00 b.a.c.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

You want to bring out numbers then support them with evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Also, I'm still waiting on what is the cutoff limit before we use those "numbers" for another privacy invasion like this.

how is this a privacy invasion.......??????? there is no reports to authorities. your car starts or it doesn't.

The right to privacy is the right to control information about yourself in two situations. You have the right to exclude information about yourself and you have the right to be left alone (Business Law, PBS episode aired December 15th).

Still waiting on numbers and evidence.
 

sswingle

Diamond Member
Mar 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

How does having a drink make someone drunk?

I said driving under the influence. Not drunk. driving under the influence is any amount over .00 b.a.c.

Ah, so you want to keep people off the roads who are under the legal limit also?
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
29,932
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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

You want to bring out numbers then support them with evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Also, I'm still waiting on what is the cutoff limit before we use those "numbers" for another privacy invasion like this.

how is this a privacy invasion.......??????? there is no reports to authorities. your car starts or it doesn't.

The right to privacy is the right to control information about yourself in two situations. You have the right to exclude information about yourself and you have the right to be left alone (Business Law, PBS episode aired December 15th).

Still waiting on numbers and evidence.

you are being left alone. Nobody is bothering you. Your car starts or it doesnt. Its only a bother to you if you are trying to break the law. I'd say checkpoints are many times more bothersome.

ALCOHOL
Alcohol is the drug that is consumed by the greatest number of users?and by a considerable margin. Roughly two-thirds of the American population age 12 and older (in 1994, this figure was 67 percent) say that they have used alcohol once or more in the past year; 54 percent did so in the past month; and in 1993, just over one in five (21.5 percent) say that they drank once a week or more during the past year (HHS, 1994a, p.119; 1995a, p.85). The "Monitoring the Future" study of secondary, high school, and college students and young adults also shows high levels of alcohol use. Nearly half of eighth-graders (47 percent for 1994) had consumed alcohol in the past year, and nearly a fifth (18 percent) admitted having being drunk at least once during that period of time. Half of high school seniors (50 percent) said that they had drunk alcohol in the past month; over seven out of 10 college students (72 percent) and noncollege young adults (70 percent) had done so (Johnston, O'Malley, and Bachman, 1994, pp.85, 162; 1995, p.43).
Sales of alcohol average out to roughly 2.3 gallons of absolute alcohol per person for the population age 18 or older per year, or just under one ounce per person per day (Williams, Clem, and Dufor, 1994, p.15). This means that the American population as a whole consumes about 60 to 70 billion "doses" of alcohol per year. (Keep in mind that distilled beverages are 40 to 50 percent alcohol, wine is 12 percent, and beer is about 4 percent; thus, how much alcohol is consumed in a given quantity of a beverage has to be calculated from its potency.) However, there is great variation from one person to another in the amount of alcohol consumed. There is a kind of polarization in use: While one-third of the American population is made up of abstainers, and over half are moderate or "social" drinkers, that very small one-tenth of the population which is made up of the heaviest drinkers imbibes more than half the total alcohol consumed. Thus, the category "drinker" or alcohol "user" represents an extremely mixed bag. It should be emphasized that the concept "alcoholic" is extremely controversial; different experts define it radically differently, and the field cannot agree on how many alcoholics there are in the population (Hilton, 1989). However, taking as our handy working definition of addiction the use of a psychoactive substance on a frequent, repetitive, and compulsive basis to the point of physical or psychological dependence, one researcher estimated that there are between 10 and 15 million alcohol addicts in the United States today (Goldstein, 1994, pp.7, 263).
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
you are being left alone. Nobody is bothering you. Your car starts or it doesnt. Its only a bother to you if you are trying to break the law. I'd say checkpoints are many times more bothersome.

WHAT? Each and every single time I get in my car, I have to blow into a tube to prove I'm not drunk, and that's not a bother? GTFO
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
14,090
2
81
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

You want to bring out numbers then support them with evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Also, I'm still waiting on what is the cutoff limit before we use those "numbers" for another privacy invasion like this.

how is this a privacy invasion.......??????? there is no reports to authorities. your car starts or it doesn't.

The right to privacy is the right to control information about yourself in two situations. You have the right to exclude information about yourself and you have the right to be left alone (Business Law, PBS episode aired December 15th).

Still waiting on numbers and evidence.

you are being left alone. Nobody is bothering you. Your car starts or it doesnt. Its only a bother to you if you are trying to break the law. I'd say checkpoints are many times more bothersome.

ALCOHOL
Alcohol is the drug that is consumed by the greatest number of users?and by a considerable margin. Roughly two-thirds of the American population age 12 and older (in 1994, this figure was 67 percent) say that they have used alcohol once or more in the past year; 54 percent did so in the past month; and in 1993, just over one in five (21.5 percent) say that they drank once a week or more during the past year (HHS, 1994a, p.119; 1995a, p.85). The "Monitoring the Future" study of secondary, high school, and college students and young adults also shows high levels of alcohol use. Nearly half of eighth-graders (47 percent for 1994) had consumed alcohol in the past year, and nearly a fifth (18 percent) admitted having being drunk at least once during that period of time. Half of high school seniors (50 percent) said that they had drunk alcohol in the past month; over seven out of 10 college students (72 percent) and noncollege young adults (70 percent) had done so (Johnston, O'Malley, and Bachman, 1994, pp.85, 162; 1995, p.43).
Sales of alcohol average out to roughly 2.3 gallons of absolute alcohol per person for the population age 18 or older per year, or just under one ounce per person per day (Williams, Clem, and Dufor, 1994, p.15). This means that the American population as a whole consumes about 60 to 70 billion "doses" of alcohol per year. (Keep in mind that distilled beverages are 40 to 50 percent alcohol, wine is 12 percent, and beer is about 4 percent; thus, how much alcohol is consumed in a given quantity of a beverage has to be calculated from its potency.) However, there is great variation from one person to another in the amount of alcohol consumed. There is a kind of polarization in use: While one-third of the American population is made up of abstainers, and over half are moderate or "social" drinkers, that very small one-tenth of the population which is made up of the heaviest drinkers imbibes more than half the total alcohol consumed. Thus, the category "drinker" or alcohol "user" represents an extremely mixed bag. It should be emphasized that the concept "alcoholic" is extremely controversial; different experts define it radically differently, and the field cannot agree on how many alcoholics there are in the population (Hilton, 1989). However, taking as our handy working definition of addiction the use of a psychoactive substance on a frequent, repetitive, and compulsive basis to the point of physical or psychological dependence, one researcher estimated that there are between 10 and 15 million alcohol addicts in the United States today (Goldstein, 1994, pp.7, 263).

Where's the bit about "literally millions drive under the influence daily"? I don't see anything there supporting your claim.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
29,932
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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

How does having a drink make someone drunk?

I said driving under the influence. Not drunk. driving under the influence is any amount over .00 b.a.c.

Ah, so you want to keep people off the roads who are under the legal limit also?

I think it would need to be determined at the federal level what the limit should be. Right now each state has its own laws its very uncertain....why am drunk in CT but in New Orleans I'm good to drive after a couple more drinks. A standard needs to be set. What is that standard? I do not know. But as a whole this country is moving quickly towards zero tolerance.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
14,090
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81
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

How does having a drink make someone drunk?

I said driving under the influence. Not drunk. driving under the influence is any amount over .00 b.a.c.

Ah, so you want to keep people off the roads who are under the legal limit also?

I think it would need to be determined at the federal level what the limit should be. Right now each state has its own laws its very uncertain....why am drunk in CT but in New Orleans I'm good to drive after a couple more drinks. A standard needs to be set. What is that standard? I do not know. But as a whole this country is moving quickly towards zero tolerance.

So, when did you become a supporter of the WCTU?
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I think it would need to be determined at the federal level what the limit should be. Right now each state has its own laws its very uncertain....why am drunk in CT but in New Orleans I'm good to drive after a couple more drinks. A standard needs to be set. What is that standard? I do not know. But as a whole this country is moving quickly towards zero tolerance.

It already has been, nitwit. The feds declared 0.08 was the limit or they withhold highway funds. All states have adopted 0.08.

Any more ignorant statements to make?

As for zero tolerance, I've implemented a Zero Tolerance for Dipsh!ts policy. Hence my constant verbal assaults on you.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

You want to bring out numbers then support them with evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Also, I'm still waiting on what is the cutoff limit before we use those "numbers" for another privacy invasion like this.

how is this a privacy invasion.......??????? there is no reports to authorities. your car starts or it doesn't.

The right to privacy is the right to control information about yourself in two situations. You have the right to exclude information about yourself and you have the right to be left alone (Business Law, PBS episode aired December 15th).

Still waiting on numbers and evidence.

you are being left alone. Nobody is bothering you. Your car starts or it doesnt. Its only a bother to you if you are trying to break the law. I'd say checkpoints are many times more bothersome.

ALCOHOL
Alcohol is the drug that is consumed by the greatest number of users?and by a considerable margin. Roughly two-thirds of the American population age 12 and older (in 1994, this figure was 67 percent) say that they have used alcohol once or more in the past year; 54 percent did so in the past month; and in 1993, just over one in five (21.5 percent) say that they drank once a week or more during the past year (HHS, 1994a, p.119; 1995a, p.85). The "Monitoring the Future" study of secondary, high school, and college students and young adults also shows high levels of alcohol use. Nearly half of eighth-graders (47 percent for 1994) had consumed alcohol in the past year, and nearly a fifth (18 percent) admitted having being drunk at least once during that period of time. Half of high school seniors (50 percent) said that they had drunk alcohol in the past month; over seven out of 10 college students (72 percent) and noncollege young adults (70 percent) had done so (Johnston, O'Malley, and Bachman, 1994, pp.85, 162; 1995, p.43).
Sales of alcohol average out to roughly 2.3 gallons of absolute alcohol per person for the population age 18 or older per year, or just under one ounce per person per day (Williams, Clem, and Dufor, 1994, p.15). This means that the American population as a whole consumes about 60 to 70 billion "doses" of alcohol per year. (Keep in mind that distilled beverages are 40 to 50 percent alcohol, wine is 12 percent, and beer is about 4 percent; thus, how much alcohol is consumed in a given quantity of a beverage has to be calculated from its potency.) However, there is great variation from one person to another in the amount of alcohol consumed. There is a kind of polarization in use: While one-third of the American population is made up of abstainers, and over half are moderate or "social" drinkers, that very small one-tenth of the population which is made up of the heaviest drinkers imbibes more than half the total alcohol consumed. Thus, the category "drinker" or alcohol "user" represents an extremely mixed bag. It should be emphasized that the concept "alcoholic" is extremely controversial; different experts define it radically differently, and the field cannot agree on how many alcoholics there are in the population (Hilton, 1989). However, taking as our handy working definition of addiction the use of a psychoactive substance on a frequent, repetitive, and compulsive basis to the point of physical or psychological dependence, one researcher estimated that there are between 10 and 15 million alcohol addicts in the United States today (Goldstein, 1994, pp.7, 263).

Where's the bit about "literally millions drive under the influence daily"? I don't see anything there supporting your claim.

common sense man. if 30 million people consumer one alchoholic beverage per day. Is it so hard to assume 1/30th of them are driving......i think that would be a conservative estimate. you wont find that statistic though as its impossible to prove. Common sense should prevail here.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

So, what's the cutoff for the privacy invasion? Millions of people? How many millions? Or maybe just hundreds of thousands? What's the cutoff?

BTW, do you have a link supporting your claim that "literally millions of people drive under the influence daily."?

I dont think it takes a link to figure out. Go out to any resaturant/bar/club on any given day and observe everyone that has an alchoholic beverage. I'm certain at least a few million people each day consume an alcholic beverage and I dont think its difficult to assume at least 10-20% of those people will drive home at the end of there dinner or happy hour or whatever it is.

You want to bring out numbers then support them with evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Also, I'm still waiting on what is the cutoff limit before we use those "numbers" for another privacy invasion like this.

how is this a privacy invasion.......??????? there is no reports to authorities. your car starts or it doesn't.

The right to privacy is the right to control information about yourself in two situations. You have the right to exclude information about yourself and you have the right to be left alone (Business Law, PBS episode aired December 15th).

Still waiting on numbers and evidence.

you are being left alone. Nobody is bothering you. Your car starts or it doesnt. Its only a bother to you if you are trying to break the law. I'd say checkpoints are many times more bothersome.

ALCOHOL
Alcohol is the drug that is consumed by the greatest number of users?and by a considerable margin. Roughly two-thirds of the American population age 12 and older (in 1994, this figure was 67 percent) say that they have used alcohol once or more in the past year; 54 percent did so in the past month; and in 1993, just over one in five (21.5 percent) say that they drank once a week or more during the past year (HHS, 1994a, p.119; 1995a, p.85). The "Monitoring the Future" study of secondary, high school, and college students and young adults also shows high levels of alcohol use. Nearly half of eighth-graders (47 percent for 1994) had consumed alcohol in the past year, and nearly a fifth (18 percent) admitted having being drunk at least once during that period of time. Half of high school seniors (50 percent) said that they had drunk alcohol in the past month; over seven out of 10 college students (72 percent) and noncollege young adults (70 percent) had done so (Johnston, O'Malley, and Bachman, 1994, pp.85, 162; 1995, p.43).
Sales of alcohol average out to roughly 2.3 gallons of absolute alcohol per person for the population age 18 or older per year, or just under one ounce per person per day (Williams, Clem, and Dufor, 1994, p.15). This means that the American population as a whole consumes about 60 to 70 billion "doses" of alcohol per year. (Keep in mind that distilled beverages are 40 to 50 percent alcohol, wine is 12 percent, and beer is about 4 percent; thus, how much alcohol is consumed in a given quantity of a beverage has to be calculated from its potency.) However, there is great variation from one person to another in the amount of alcohol consumed. There is a kind of polarization in use: While one-third of the American population is made up of abstainers, and over half are moderate or "social" drinkers, that very small one-tenth of the population which is made up of the heaviest drinkers imbibes more than half the total alcohol consumed. Thus, the category "drinker" or alcohol "user" represents an extremely mixed bag. It should be emphasized that the concept "alcoholic" is extremely controversial; different experts define it radically differently, and the field cannot agree on how many alcoholics there are in the population (Hilton, 1989). However, taking as our handy working definition of addiction the use of a psychoactive substance on a frequent, repetitive, and compulsive basis to the point of physical or psychological dependence, one researcher estimated that there are between 10 and 15 million alcohol addicts in the United States today (Goldstein, 1994, pp.7, 263).

Where's the bit about "literally millions drive under the influence daily"? I don't see anything there supporting your claim.

common sense man. if 30 million people consumer one alchoholic beverage per day. Is it so hard to assume 1/30th of them are driving......i think that would be a conservative estimate. you wont find that statistic though as its impossible to prove. Common sense should prevail here.

I don't see anything about people driving there. Anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all.

Also, what's the cutoff # needed before we get auto HDD scanners to check for kiddie porn or anytime of copyright infringement?