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IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Vic
Has MADD become like PETA?
What do you mean become? They've been this way for a long time. Who do you think pushes the continual lowering of BAC limits? Technology is just starting to catch up with their insane lust for authoritarian control over people.

nobody is saying you can't get drunk. You can drink as much as you want. You can drive as much as you want once you are licensed. However it is unlawful to do both at the same time.
 

nakedfrog

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The strategy still calls for high-visibility enforcement efforts, such as sobriety checkpoints and saturation patrols, especially in peak driving periods. Such steps have helped achieve a 40 percent decline in alcohol-related traffic fatalities since MADD was founded in 1980. But the numbers have stubbornly refused to drop any further, and MADD has concluded that additional measures are needed.
Um... how do they know that's because of those steps, and not because of the amount of safety upgrades in cars from 1980 to 2006?
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
why go through all that BS wasted tax dollars, tying up court resources etc....just don't let it happen in the first place.

Because it will still happen.

People are just going to buy a beat up junker for $500 cash doesn't have these things in place and use that as their "bar beater" to get them back and forth.

You really have no clue just how easy it is to circumvent processess.

i never said this was a 100% solution actually I specifically said every security system has a flaw..... I said it could easily eliminate upwards of 90-95% of all drunk driving. Maybe after so many years of it being integrated into new cars, old cars need to have it installed to be registered.
 

Feldenak

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No way would I be good with that crap being installed in my car. I'm not a criminal and will not be treated as one.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

So, you're my Mom from when I was 16?

find me any legal document that says driving a car/truck/train/boat is a right.

Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is one of the most famous phrases in the United States Declaration of Independence. These three aspects are listed among of the "unalienable rights" of man.

Having a computer could be a way to "pursue happiness"


 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

So, you're my Mom from when I was 16?

find me any legal document that says driving a car/truck/train/boat is a right.

Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Whoever opposes this is a selfish dick with no friend or relative, and with no concern for other people's safety and well-being.

Now, it's different if the device has a 50% failure rate and thinks I'm drunk half the time.

If people actually wanted these things, car manufacturers would put them in cars without being forced by any law.

hardly anyone knows these exist. I only recently found out about it.

Do you have electricity under your rock yet?
 

Slick5150

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I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

But you could use your computer for all sorts of illegal purposes, hence, why others in this thread have suggested that you need to let all of us scan your hard drive on a regular basis to ensure that you're not.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I don't have children but I'm forced to do with child saftey locks on my medicine and house hold chemicals. JUST RIDICULOUS!
I imagine those safety caps on medicine are pretty tough to deal with for an imbecile like you.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
No way would I be good with that crap being installed in my car. I'm not a criminal and will not be treated as one.

I'm sure you don't have a meth lab either but the pharmacy is still going to limit your sudafed purchases.
 

allisolm

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

and driving drunk is certainly not an essential liberty.

 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?
 

Savij

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Originally posted by: B00ne
Wow I just checked some statistics - the US sure seems to have a problem with alcohol related fatalities: 39% of all.

Actually, fatalities are quite high in the US in general especially considering the speed limits


Have any statistics based on miles driven?
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Feldenak
No way would I be good with that crap being installed in my car. I'm not a criminal and will not be treated as one.

I'm sure you don't have a meth lab either but the pharmacy is still going to limit your sudafed purchases.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I actively worked against that moronic law.

What have you done lately (posting a link on ATOT doesn't count).
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

and driving drunk is certainly not an essential liberty.

You're right, it's not a liberty, it's a crime. Driving however is not a crime. So why should those people who are simply driving, and not driving drunk, have privacy invading monitoring devices installed in their cars?
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

But you could use your computer for all sorts of illegal purposes, hence, why others in this thread have suggested that you need to let all of us scan your hard drive on a regular basis to ensure that you're not.

im sure I could choke you with my toothbrush too. Do we want to just use extremes for the rest of this conversation? I can go get my tin foil hat on if so.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

But you could use your computer for all sorts of illegal purposes, hence, why others in this thread have suggested that you need to let all of us scan your hard drive on a regular basis to ensure that you're not.

He could even use his computer for terrorism :Q
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

and driving drunk is certainly not an essential liberty.

You're right, it's not a liberty, it's a crime. Driving however is not a crime. So why should those people who are simply driving, and not driving drunk, have privacy invading monitoring devices installed in their cars?

How is this an invasion of privacy? I didn't see anywhere about reports being sent to authorities. Its pretty simple....if your sober you will not be troubled. If you are drunk your car wont start. I'm not seeing the privacy issue?
 

sswingle

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

So, you're my Mom from when I was 16?

find me any legal document that says driving a car/truck/train/boat is a right.

Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is one of the most famous phrases in the United States Declaration of Independence. These three aspects are listed among of the "unalienable rights" of man.

Having a computer could be a way to "pursue happiness"

Driving could also be a way to "pursue happiness"
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

and driving drunk is certainly not an essential liberty.

You're right, it's not a liberty, it's a crime. Driving however is not a crime. So why should those people who are simply driving, and not driving drunk, have privacy invading monitoring devices installed in their cars?

How is this an invasion of privacy? I didn't see anywhere about reports being sent to authorities. Its pretty simple....if your sober you will not be troubled. If you are drunk your car wont start. I'm not seeing the privacy issue?

So, you'll be signing up for a data recorder for your car soon so the highway patrol and/or insurance companies can make sure you are driving within the speed limit and obeying all other traffic laws?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

But you could use your computer for all sorts of illegal purposes, hence, why others in this thread have suggested that you need to let all of us scan your hard drive on a regular basis to ensure that you're not.

im sure I could choke with my toothbrush too. Do we want to just use extremes for the rest of this conversation? I can go get my tin foil hat on if so.

You're the one who started using extremes. These stats of death to drunk drivers is the extreme. Out of the hundred million Americans who drive a car every month, only 1000 people are killed. That means that only 0.00001% of people on the road will be killed by a drunk driver. You're probably more likely to die in a bathroom accident, say choking on your toothbrush, than you are to be killed by a drunk driver. So who's the one going to extremes? I say it's you.

Are the deaths tragic. Yep. Should the drunk driver be held responsible? Yep. But I'll be damned if you're going to treat me like a criminal because of the acts of a tiny minority.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

I never claimed it was a right. however, Its a lot harder for me to drive my computer @ 60 mph under the influence tho and kill a family of 4. For starters my computer doesnt even have wheels and I don't know how I could steer while holding the monitor. Then there is the problem of power...where am i am going to get an extension cord that long for those longer trips. ........

What about that stash of kiddie porn you have?

literally millions of people drive under the influence daily. I'm not quite sure that same # use there computers for whatever activities you are trying to make the comparison too.

I see you don't deny it.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

So, you're my Mom from when I was 16?

find me any legal document that says driving a car/truck/train/boat is a right.

Find me a legal document that says using your computer is a right.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is one of the most famous phrases in the United States Declaration of Independence. These three aspects are listed among of the "unalienable rights" of man.

Having a computer could be a way to "pursue happiness"

Driving could also be a way to "pursue happiness"

Driving on public roads is not a persuit of happiness its a privelege. You are free to drive your car however you like on private property.