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bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
400mhz to 500mhz doesn't cost several hundreds. You are over exaggerating. I don't insist on Apple memory. I'd rather have Crucial. Apple's wireless mouse and keyboard is too expensive. $69 for a wireless 1 button mouse isn't worth it.

If you go to any hardcore PC website, they will only show the PC's winning. The most reputable site for Mac vs PC is Barefeats.


Where do you find processor upgrades for less than $100? I recall Sonnet upgrade cards for a Mac I woked on starting at $249.99 for a 600mhz G3 Processor Card. This was for a 200mhz leap. The price might have went down but looking at their website I don't see any upgrade for less than $149.99.

Why are you only looking at Sonnet? And 249 is ridiculous for a G3 upgrade, 600mhz. OWC has a G4 upgrade for the PM G3 for $129.

There is a difference between "several hundreds" and hundred dollars. Can you explain how 149 falls under several hundred dollars?

On the PC side of things I can find a P3 or a K6 for less than $40 with shipping. $329.00 for a 1.1ghz upgrade? Try about $45 for an Athlon for the same speed. Yea you can upgrade a Mac but how many kids can one sell to do it.
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
400mhz to 500mhz doesn't cost several hundreds. You are over exaggerating. I don't insist on Apple memory. I'd rather have Crucial. Apple's wireless mouse and keyboard is too expensive. $69 for a wireless 1 button mouse isn't worth it.

If you go to any hardcore PC website, they will only show the PC's winning. The most reputable site for Mac vs PC is Barefeats.


Where do you find processor upgrades for less than $100? I recall Sonnet upgrade cards for a Mac I woked on starting at $249.99 for a 600mhz G3 Processor Card. This was for a 200mhz leap. The price might have went down but looking at their website I don't see any upgrade for less than $149.99.

Why are you only looking at Sonnet? And 249 is ridiculous for a G3 upgrade, 600mhz. OWC has a G4 upgrade for the PM G3 for $129.

There is a difference between "several hundreds" and hundred dollars. Can you explain how 149 falls under several hundred dollars?

On the PC side of things I can find a P3 or a K6 for less than $40 with shipping. $329.00 for a 1.1ghz upgrade? Try about $45 for an Athlon for the same speed. Yea you can upgrade a Mac but how many kids can one sell to do it.

Yes, I agree that processor upgrades for Mac is expensive. That is one thing I don't like. But my point was that a 400-500mhz processor upgrade is not "several hundred dollars." And who ever owned that computer with that G3 upgrade for 249 got ripped off.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
400mhz to 500mhz doesn't cost several hundreds. You are over exaggerating. I don't insist on Apple memory. I'd rather have Crucial. Apple's wireless mouse and keyboard is too expensive. $69 for a wireless 1 button mouse isn't worth it.

If you go to any hardcore PC website, they will only show the PC's winning. The most reputable site for Mac vs PC is Barefeats.


Where do you find processor upgrades for less than $100? I recall Sonnet upgrade cards for a Mac I woked on starting at $249.99 for a 600mhz G3 Processor Card. This was for a 200mhz leap. The price might have went down but looking at their website I don't see any upgrade for less than $149.99.

Why are you only looking at Sonnet? And 249 is ridiculous for a G3 upgrade, 600mhz. OWC has a G4 upgrade for the PM G3 for $129.

There is a difference between "several hundreds" and hundred dollars. Can you explain how 149 falls under several hundred dollars?

On the PC side of things I can find a P3 or a K6 for less than $40 with shipping. $329.00 for a 1.1ghz upgrade? Try about $45 for an Athlon for the same speed. Yea you can upgrade a Mac but how many kids can one sell to do it.

Most serious Mac Heads ride the cutting edge and sell off their old parts as they go along. Upgrading a Mac is typically not financially feasable and has a terrible return on investment.

AMD's Socket 939 should be the best platform as far as forward-thinking goes. Socket 940 looks as though it's going to rival Socket A as being the most upgradable platform of all time.

If I could get any of my engineering software to run on a Mac I would buy one of their laptops in a heartbeat. As it stands right now, Mac laptops are only good as presentation machines. Graphic designers love them. Writers love them. Architects and Engineers have very little use for them.

Dispite saying all that, the only laptop I would ever buy would be a Mac. There's something to be said for superb industrial design when you're working on a laptop.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Graphic designers love them. Writers love them. Architects and Engineers have very little use for them.

I've seen it mentioned that scientists seem to like them, and F/OSS programmers seem to love them.
 

bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: Thin LizzyYes, I agree that processor upgrades for Mac is expensive. That is one thing I don't like. But my point was that a 400-500mhz processor upgrade is not "several hundred dollars." And who ever owned that computer with that G3 upgrade for 249 got ripped off.


This was in 2003 and the best price I could find on 5 web sites. The prices dropped due to the new G5's which came out.
 

JASANITY

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Mac's are great because by keeping everything proprietary, everything works right out of the box.

PC's are great for people who like to customize and have more control, but usually results in them breaking every known part and complaining that MS sucks or their hardware is weak or whatever.

So Mac is going in the right direction of taking away lower level control to the common computer idiot.

The way computing will be going towards is the utility computing model anyways, so all of these desktops we have in our homes will be obsolete in a few years, with a niche market for custom desktop customers, but most of the world won't be playing that way. Why waste time complaining on PC vs Mac. It will be Mac/PC vs Utility Computing in a few years.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: JASANITY
Mac's are great because by keeping everything proprietary, everything works right out of the box.

The chipset is about the only proprietary part of the system. Nothing is stopping a company from getting G5s from IBM...
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin LizzyYes, I agree that processor upgrades for Mac is expensive. That is one thing I don't like. But my point was that a 400-500mhz processor upgrade is not "several hundred dollars." And who ever owned that computer with that G3 upgrade for 249 got ripped off.


This was in 2003 and the best price I could find on 5 web sites. The prices dropped due to the new G5's which came out.

I got the 445mhz G3 upgrade to my old Powermac 9600 for $119 from OWC.
 

bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin LizzyYes, I agree that processor upgrades for Mac is expensive. That is one thing I don't like. But my point was that a 400-500mhz processor upgrade is not "several hundred dollars." And who ever owned that computer with that G3 upgrade for 249 got ripped off.


This was in 2003 and the best price I could find on 5 web sites. The prices dropped due to the new G5's which came out.

I got the 445mhz G3 upgrade to my old Powermac 9600 for $119 from OWC.

Going back to my last argument, can you run OSX on that G3 without hacks?

 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin LizzyYes, I agree that processor upgrades for Mac is expensive. That is one thing I don't like. But my point was that a 400-500mhz processor upgrade is not "several hundred dollars." And who ever owned that computer with that G3 upgrade for 249 got ripped off.


This was in 2003 and the best price I could find on 5 web sites. The prices dropped due to the new G5's which came out.

I got the 445mhz G3 upgrade to my old Powermac 9600 for $119 from OWC.

Going back to my last argument, can you run OSX on that G3 without hacks?

I never tried arguing that in the first place. :confused:

No, you cannot run OS X on it without hacks. But ask yourself this, who would want to? I mean, that thing is limited to a measly 50mhz FSB and uses Fast Page Mode RAM. OS X would be hell on that computer. Even Web browsing under OS 9 is painfully slow. I don't even know why I spent the money for the processor upgrade in the first place, when I should have gotten a blue and white G3 tower.
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin LizzyYes, I agree that processor upgrades for Mac is expensive. That is one thing I don't like. But my point was that a 400-500mhz processor upgrade is not "several hundred dollars." And who ever owned that computer with that G3 upgrade for 249 got ripped off.


This was in 2003 and the best price I could find on 5 web sites. The prices dropped due to the new G5's which came out.

I got the 445mhz G3 upgrade to my old Powermac 9600 for $119 from OWC.

Yea but how long did you wait until the prices went down on that upgrade? The 9600 is about 6 years old. I bet when the G3 upgrades came out for it, the prices were $700 or more for the upper end ones and I'm almost willing to bet that you've coughed up for the intern 604e upgrades.
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: Thin LizzyYes, I agree that processor upgrades for Mac is expensive. That is one thing I don't like. But my point was that a 400-500mhz processor upgrade is not "several hundred dollars." And who ever owned that computer with that G3 upgrade for 249 got ripped off.


This was in 2003 and the best price I could find on 5 web sites. The prices dropped due to the new G5's which came out.

I got the 445mhz G3 upgrade to my old Powermac 9600 for $119 from OWC.

Yea but how long did you wait until the prices went down on that upgrade? The 9600 is about 6 years old. I bet when the G3 upgrades came out for it, the prices were $700 or more for the upper end ones and I'm almost willing to bet that you've coughed up for the intern 604e upgrades.

I never waited for the price to go down. I never thought of ever upgrading, not even the 604e upgrades. The stock 604e 300mhz was good enough at the moment. I purchased the upgrade in July 2003, for $119. Are you still willing to bet?
 

Monkey muppet

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

You don't have any FireWire 800 devices because your PC can't support it. And there are many devices that use FireWire 800. Lacie makes FireWire 800 products

And there are a lot of processor upgrades for Mac, even legacy Macs. Link

Therein lies the whole chicken and egg syndrome. If I cant support FW 800 why would I buy FW 800 devices? But if I cant buy FW 800 devices, where is the incentive to make them?
The problem is we dont need FW 800. FW and USB 2.0 are more than faste enough to move data from external HD's and get video from a camcorder. And I'll be damned if I run Gigabit ethernet through a FW or USB device. The good old RJ45 connector still has plenty to offer the world.
As for upgrades: once again the closed-minded Mac person just cant see the possibilities of being free.
I can move from a Slot A to a Socket A to Socket 754 to Socket 939 and still keep a majority of my hardware and software. Hell, even in the Socket A world, I can move from a Duron, to an Athlon B, to a Thunderbird, to a low-end Athlon XP, to a high-end Athlon XP and all with the same motherboard! You could also do the same thing with Intel if you were smart enough to avoid RAMBUS.
But to make those jumps in the Mac world you would need to go through several major platform changes. This is even worse when you consider that Apple hardware averages to be more expensive than the x86 stuff.
As for software, I could make any of the above systems work on Win2000. Office 2000 would also work fine. As well as many versions of your favorite photo and video suites.

Like n0cmonkey was pointing out earlier, a technology that PC motherboards do not support is FireWire 800.

And are you saying in order to upgrade my Processor in my Mac, I have to go through sever major platform changes? I can upgrade the processor in my G4 and keep all the software and hardware in it. I dont have to change anything at all.

I have a three way Firewire800 Network at home including a Socket A & an A64. The thing is even a RAID 5 SCSI array can't suturate Firewire bandwidth so there's no point in having it
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: fatal
Originally posted by: tooltime
mac makes a server os too, i hear it's also easy to use

Really, I didn't know enough peeps had macs to need a server......LOL

Cisco Systems ditched their old server systems and replaced them with Apple Xserve G5's, running OS X 10.3 Server. ;)
 

imported_fatal

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: fatal
Originally posted by: tooltime
mac makes a server os too, i hear it's also easy to use

Really, I didn't know enough peeps had macs to need a server......LOL

Cisco Systems ditched their old server systems and replaced them with Apple Xserve G5's, running OS X 10.3 Server. ;)

Must of got a GREAT deal on that useless GARBAGE
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: fatal
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: fatal
Originally posted by: tooltime
mac makes a server os too, i hear it's also easy to use

Really, I didn't know enough peeps had macs to need a server......LOL

Cisco Systems ditched their old server systems and replaced them with Apple Xserve G5's, running OS X 10.3 Server. ;)

Must of got a GREAT deal on that useless GARBAGE

:roll: If it were useless garbage, they would have never purchased them.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: Pabster
Jeez, not this ridiculous debate again.

Why? Because people don't see the value in spending $5,000 on a machine that can be beaten in 98% of daily tasks by a $300 PC.

Maybe you live in Photoshop but the rest of us don't :)


Funny how my winnie 3500+ and 1GB runs all Adobe stuff a hell of a lot faster than the G5 dual 2GHz with 1.5G in my office. Even if i did "live" in PS i would prefer a PC.

It sounds like your admin is a moron.

Actually the man is a genius, but admin is not his primary role--science is. I have said it before and will say it again. Everything on this mac (dual 2GHz, 1.5 blah, blah) runs noticably slower than my 3500+ winnie, blah blah. I do the same sheet on BOTH machines EVERY day, why would admin stuff change this? Hell, im the admin, care to make optimization suggestions? Because this machine has not been messed with since it came outta the box. What kind of macophile is gonna drop to command line to optimize? :confused:

Have you repaired permissions? Run Apple's disk utilities? Run Disk Warrior? Reset PRAM? Reset NVRAM? Reset PMU? Chachamacarena? Oh wait these things are supposed to work perfectly right out of the box without tinkering. My bad homie.



Oh man, that was funny!