Mac Vs. PC

[kini62]

Just give me OSX for x86 -)

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sxr7171
However, I just couldn't make the jump this time, and I'm glad I didn't as my school does everything on Windows software.

Any school that limits itself to one platform isn't worth going to.

My sister goes to the Health Science Center, to become a Dentist. She had a choice between choosing a Windows platform notebook, or an Apple. She chose the 12'' iBook. She loves it.

I also go to Dental school incidentally, and we don't really get that choice. If I really wanted to I could have gone Apple and supported myself and bought extra software on my dime to run with Apple but I don't see the hassle and cost as worth it. I actually chose my laptop before I knew which school I was going to and I chose the IBM anyway because it was going to be my work laptop (as opposed to my hobby desktop). I needed it to run the programs I need for school and to get the functionality I need to interface with my phone and PDA among other things that are more cheaply and efficiently accomplished on a PC.

I would take a Mac mini for a second hobby desktop though just to mess with.

Usually professional schools don't have the sort of IT infrastructure to support both Macs and PCs anymore. It costs a lot to run a Dental school and supporting Macs probably would have cost us extra on our software licenses, not to mention have staff to support Macs on site all for the 5% who would have preferred them.

Cool! The iBook is my sister's first Mac. She had a Fujitsu 1.6GHz Pentium 4 laptop, but she wanted something smaller. The iBook, for the price and size, was the cheapest we found. I know she would have gotten another PC notebook if we found a good cheap one. She loves the iBook though. I am kind of glad we got it for her, because when she had the Fujitsu, she never ran any spyware/adware removal programs, and she never touched Norton, so her Fujitsu ran like sh!t most of the time. I think the iBook was good because she doesn't have to worry about that stuff.

My sister gets a lot of programs on CD from her Dental school, and all the programs support either Mac or Windows. Her Dental school has wireless networks. And the iBook has built in wireless. She is telling that she is the only one in her classes with an Apple notebook. The others have Dells or something else.

 

[LED]

Wow there's a lot of misinforming and crapping in this thread so I'll just make 1 correction and answer the question

PC Mobo with Firewire800 support

Wouldn't the Mac G5s destroy the PCs?

Destroy???...No way!!!

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sxr7171
However, I just couldn't make the jump this time, and I'm glad I didn't as my school does everything on Windows software.

Any school that limits itself to one platform isn't worth going to.

My sister goes to the Health Science Center, to become a Dentist. She had a choice between choosing a Windows platform notebook, or an Apple. She chose the 12'' iBook. She loves it.

I also go to Dental school incidentally, and we don't really get that choice. If I really wanted to I could have gone Apple and supported myself and bought extra software on my dime to run with Apple but I don't see the hassle and cost as worth it. I actually chose my laptop before I knew which school I was going to and I chose the IBM anyway because it was going to be my work laptop (as opposed to my hobby desktop). I needed it to run the programs I need for school and to get the functionality I need to interface with my phone and PDA among other things that are more cheaply and efficiently accomplished on a PC.

I would take a Mac mini for a second hobby desktop though just to mess with.

Usually professional schools don't have the sort of IT infrastructure to support both Macs and PCs anymore. It costs a lot to run a Dental school and supporting Macs probably would have cost us extra on our software licenses, not to mention have staff to support Macs on site all for the 5% who would have preferred them.

Cool! The iBook is my sister's first Mac. She had a Fujitsu 1.6GHz Pentium 4 laptop, but she wanted something smaller. The iBook, for the price and size, was the cheapest we found. I know she would have gotten another PC notebook if we found a good cheap one. She loves the iBook though. I am kind of glad we got it for her, because when she had the Fujitsu, she never ran any spyware/adware removal programs, and she never touched Norton, so her Fujitsu ran like sh!t most of the time. I think the iBook was good because she doesn't have to worry about that stuff.

My sister gets a lot of programs on CD from her Dental school, and all the programs support either Mac or Windows. Her Dental school has wireless networks. And the iBook has built in wireless. She is telling that she is the only one in her classes with an Apple notebook. The others have Dells or something else.

Yeah the iBook is unbeatable for build quality and performance for the price. Nothing on the PC side even comes close. Even the 12" Powerbooks are unbeatable for quality and price. I'll tell you, I had to spend a lot more to get a PC laptop with similar size, build quality and features of the 12" Mac laptops. Those x300 Dells are sweet without a doubt but they don't come for less than $2000.

I really think 12" ultra compact laptops are the way to go for girls especially (but I'm a guy with a 12" ultra compact and I wouldn't trade it anything) and the iBook fits the bill for quality, features, and price. Maybe someday there'll be something on the PC side that compares but I doubt it. The PC laptop manufacturers like to price gouge on ultra compacts and I think the platform doesn't lend itself as well to smaller more portable machines at a reasonable cost. Maybe I'll switch when I graduate.

BTW, we also have wireless in our classrooms and it's pretty funny when professors complain about getting e-mails during their class.

 

[DanDaMan315]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Hmmmmm.......
My PC runs too many different programs. You say that won't be a problem?
About $500 for a 3 year old vid card, $400 for DDR333, and $400 for a "superdrive" (a.k.a. pioneer a-04)?
Throw in a 1 button mouse, no upgradability, and a pair of Birkenstocks, and you've got a deal!

Birkenstocks rock, however Macs don't.

 

[bluestrobe]

If Mac made OSX for x86 platforms, this would be a sudden ending for Mac hardware. Most people I know who bought macs did so for OSX.

 

[CalvinHobbs]

cool...it's still going on..on a more serious note..would you buy a mac or an AMDx2 4000+ with Windows x64...

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: calvinHobbs

Originally posted by: Umberger
My brother just got a new 20" iMac G5. want to know what he does with it?
1)AIM
2)E-mail
3)MS Word.

To its credit, the thing has never frozen or crashed, the case is awesome looking, and the visual effects are stunning. Also, it comes with a really neat game, where you roll a marble around a map and collect gems. Is this worth almost $3000? I think not. But for $3000 I would think that they could give me a fvcking 2 button mouse.
I think a lot of what people are paying for is the ease of use of OSX. That operating system babies you, and won't let you screw anything up. It drives me nuts, but little bro seems to like the fact that he can't break stuff by messing with settings.

:thumbsup:

Not sure if I would thumbs up that...that is a lot of wasted money A G5 Imac would have been just fine and at 1/2 the cost and I doubt he would have noticed any difference also

 

[Czar]

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/czar/apple_mouse.jpg
just had to

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

How does the performance hold against the dual core processors? (Link is in Dutch, the original English article was removed)

 

[CalvinHobbs]

Originally posted by: Czar
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/czar/apple_mouse.jpg
just had to

:thumbsup:

 

[Duvie]

High-Volume PC Tech Workstations Outpace Proprietary Workstations ? Jon Peddie Research.
Lion?s Share of Workstations Based on x86 Processors, Says Research Firm

Category: Other

by Anton Shilov

[ 04/18/2005 | 03:36 PM ]

Market research firm Jon Peddie Research claimed Monday that the majority of workstations supplied in 2004 were based on conventional x86 microprocessors. The trend, according to the company, was a continuous decline of proprietary microprocessors-based machines.

Jon Peddie Research (JPR) reports that roughly 1.7 million workstations were shipped in 2004, accounting for approximately $4.5 billion in worldwide revenue. Of that, the PC-derived workstation, a machine that leverages technologies derived from the high-volume PC platform, accounted for roughly 92% of units and 88% of revenue, while the share of Traditional Proprietary (RISC/Unix) workstations continued to shrink, according to JPR.

According to Gartner, another market research agency, about 169 million of personal computers were shipped in 2004.

The JPR Workstation Report is a semi-annual reporting service focusing on both the technologies and markets for professional workstations. The March 2005 issue is over 400 pages, with 185 figures and 79 tables. A table of contents is available for download at the company?s web-site.


I think this quote sums up apples (proprietary) lock on workstations when it comes to high end rendering....

 

[CalvinHobbs]

done and dusted

 

[AMDZen]

Gamers in a Jar

 

[XBoxLPU]

Originally posted by: Umberger
My brother just got a new 20" iMac G5. want to know what he does with it?
1)AIM
2)E-mail
3)MS Word.

To its credit, the thing has never frozen or crashed, the case is awesome looking, and the visual effects are stunning. Also, it comes with a really neat game, where you roll a marble around a map and collect gems. Is this worth almost $3000? I think not. But for $3000 I would think that they could give me a fvcking 2 button mouse.
I think a lot of what people are paying for is the ease of use of OSX. That operating system babies you, and won't let you screw anything up. It drives me nuts, but little bro seems to like the fact that he can't break stuff by messing with settings.

Wouldn't a Mac Mini been just as good and $2500 cheaper

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU

Originally posted by: Umberger
My brother just got a new 20" iMac G5. want to know what he does with it?
1)AIM
2)E-mail
3)MS Word.

To its credit, the thing has never frozen or crashed, the case is awesome looking, and the visual effects are stunning. Also, it comes with a really neat game, where you roll a marble around a map and collect gems. Is this worth almost $3000? I think not. But for $3000 I would think that they could give me a fvcking 2 button mouse.
I think a lot of what people are paying for is the ease of use of OSX. That operating system babies you, and won't let you screw anything up. It drives me nuts, but little bro seems to like the fact that he can't break stuff by messing with settings.

Wouldn't a Mac Mini been just as good and $2500 cheaper

The iMac 20" isn't $3000, and with the mini you'd still need to supply the 20" monitor (call it $500-$600). Still, if your needs are limited, a Mini might be all you need.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
I have a three way Firewire800 Network at home including a Socket A & an A64. The thing is even a RAID 5 SCSI array can't suturate Firewire bandwidth so there's no point in having it

Maybe not a cheap one, but a decent one can. There's a reason people have moved to fiber optic networks. The old storage solutions aren't nearly fast enough.

And that's a silly argument even judging by old technologies. SCSI/160 and SCSI/320 are 2x and 4x faster than FW800. SCSI/160 is old hat, and SCSI/320 is the current generation - 4x faster than the FW solutions.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: sxr7171
You're right actually about Windows. Freaking SP2 is so bad that I can't believe it gets so much support on a "geek site" like this. You'd think that we'd know better. However I can see how the resident sysadmins love it.

How is SP2 bad?

 

[CSammy]

Mac users sure are a defensive bunch, especially at a rabid fansite like MacDailyNews.com Seems like the "news" are anything anti-Microsoft, anti-PC they can find.

I'm amazed at how delusional some of them can be. Take a look at this story for example, and scroll down to read the comments.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/5659/

You'll notice the rabid fans don't seem to know much even about their own "64-bit" operating system and hardware, yet Apple bias is in full throttle.

 

[DanDaMan315]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
The Apple website refers to PC's as "Frankensteins"
These people would much rather be seen in a New Beetle over a Shelby Cobra or Ferrari Enzo.
There is a biological term for these people: "vagina"

That is a good one my friend.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: CSammy
Mac users sure are a defensive bunch, especially at a rabid fansite like MacDailyNews.com Seems like the "news" are anything anti-Microsoft, anti-PC they can find.

I'm amazed at how delusional some of them can be. Take a look at this story for example, and scroll down to read the comments.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/5659/

You'll notice the rabid fans don't seem to know much even about their own "64-bit" operating system and hardware, yet Apple bias is in full throttle.

Which comments? I'm curious, really. Of course, most XP users don't know, either, so I really don't see what the issue is.

 

[CSammy]

Where to begin, perhaps the commentor that thought it was "proposterous" that Tiger isn't a full 64-bit operating system? Or the commentor that thought it would take half a refrigerator to cool a dual Opteron, based on PENTIUM specs? Plenty more too, good read for a laugh.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Hmmmmm.......
My PC runs too many different programs. You say that won't be a problem?
About $500 for a 3 year old vid card, $400 for DDR333, and $400 for a "superdrive" (a.k.a. pioneer a-04)?
Throw in a 1 button mouse, no upgradability, and a pair of Birkenstocks, and you've got a deal!

What cant you upgrade on the mac? Please tell me, because I upgraded the cpu, optical drive, video card and also the SCSI controller. Oh yeah and that hard drive thing, it was upgraded too. People like you that dont know what they are talking about should just keep quiet and stop trying to spread FUD

 

[imported_Kensai]

But still, Mac's don't compare to x86 workstations. PC's are easily upgradable by most informed people.
Also, a high end SCSI setup will *break* the firewire 800 bus.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: CSammy
Where to begin, perhaps the commentor that thought it was "proposterous" that Tiger isn't a full 64-bit operating system? Or the commentor that thought it would take half a refrigerator to cool a dual Opteron, based on PENTIUM specs? Plenty more too, good read for a laugh.

They're not computer people making those comments, obviously. What's new? Ask most x86 users why they should move to a 64 bit platform and you get blank stares...