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Macs serve their purpose in the publishing world. I've traveled to many cities to different newspapers, all use 100% mac for publishing and graphics.
Quark on a PC sucks.
Graphic artists argue that graphics are much better on a mac, and that used to be the case - but now photoshop on a pc has caught up.
I have a couple designer friends who use PC for everything and their work is just as good as anything from a mac.
both platforms serve a purpose
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: m2kewl
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: m2kewl
Originally posted by: ThePresence
I wonder if many of the the Mac dissers have actually USED Mac's...
we have ten dual 1.2ghz g4s recently purchased for mac dept. my boss also got two dual proc dell workstations running near identical apps but with avid xpress. trust me, dells open a can of whoop ass on the macs.
Trust me, they don't. In the graphics studio where I work, we have top of the line mac's. I've worked on dual Xeon's too. As far as graphics go, the Macs kick ass.

<a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/07_jul/features/cw_macvspc2.htm" target=blank>Wow, this guy made a liar out of me.</A> and that was last year. but you're entitled to your opinion. our company's customers could care less which system their videos/photos were generated on. i just care about the bottom line, and getting my $$'s worth.

Hey, you can find graphs and tests all over skewed both ways. Depends on who is doing the testing, for what purpose and their own bias. I'm just saying my personal feelings after using both of them.
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: m2kewl
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: m2kewl
Originally posted by: ThePresence
I wonder if many of the the Mac dissers have actually USED Mac's...
we have ten dual 1.2ghz g4s recently purchased for mac dept. my boss also got two dual proc dell workstations running near identical apps but with avid xpress. trust me, dells open a can of whoop ass on the macs.
Trust me, they don't. In the graphics studio where I work, we have top of the line mac's. I've worked on dual Xeon's too. As far as graphics go, the Macs kick ass.

<a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/07_jul/features/cw_macvspc2.htm" target=blank>Wow, this guy made a liar out of me.</A> and that was last year. but you're entitled to your opinion. our company's customers could care less which system their videos/photos were generated on. i just care about the bottom line, and getting my $$'s worth.

You are right. The client doesn't care what tools you use as long as they get a good looking product. Of course there is a reason why the vast majority of film/video professionals choose to use Mac hardware or software based tools. Want to get your $$$ worth in editing? That's pretty hard on a PC based system. A complete uncompressed SD edit suite (computer, storage, monitors, everything) running FCP 4 can be had for around $15k and it can rival a Media Composer. How much did that Avid Xpress cost? ;)

EDIT: In editing more speed is always welcome but software is King and stability is Queen.


Lethal
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?
Is this an attempt to try and show that Macs can run even anything close to PCs in the sheer numbers of software?

You said to get back to you when Macs run more than three applications.

I figured it was time to get back to you.

The truth is that, if there is something that you do with a PC (besides play the latest games), you can do it with a Mac. Oh, and they can run basically every piece of open source UNIX software known to man. Do you even understand what that means?

Ask yourself this: How many programs do you REALLY use? What do you REALLY used your computer for? Someday, when you can see through the blind hatred that you have for Apple, you will realize that what you do on a PC you can do on a Mac.
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?
Should I start mentioning games?
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Skoorb
OK if you're a REAL graphic artist (I'm aware of none on Anandtech - not to say there are none but playing with photoshop for an hour/ day does not make you a "graphic artist" in the hardcore sense) go ahead and play with your Mac. Have fun.

I work about 10 feet from a "real graphic artist". He has a G4. A girl in our department that does some of the same things on a PC has to restart 3-4 times a day using the same programs and doing the same type of graphic design he does with his mac without ever having to restart. I've seen them both while using Adobe products and the Mac is far superior.
Please stop judging PCs which are obviously not running on the NT kernel.
EDIT: Incompetent PC techs? I've personally seen Win2k boxes which have not been rebooted in months.
 

Lucky

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My 4 year old PC has all the same software, but I can use two mouse button's and a scroll whell with it.


Funny you say that. The four year old macs I use at work can use two button mouses with scroll wheels as well. How interesting.
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
I wonder if many of the the Mac dissers have actually USED Mac's...

They haven't.

I have said it before and I will say it again:

People here use old, hackneyed arguement when it comes to Apple.

They are overpriced
They are slow
They are not compatible
They are ghey
They are only good for graphic design
etc
etc
etc

People who use these arguements usually have no idea what the hell they are talking about and would rather calcualte their opinion based on what others say instead of TRYING IT THEMSELVES.

Believe me. I used to be EXACTLY the same way. I would always scoff at a Mac user and make fun of them and their computers. But one day I thought "Maybe, instead of talking sh!t about something I don't know about, I will actually sit down with one of my own and see if they really suck." So I hopped on eBay, bought a used G4 for around $500 and the rest is history.

Guess what? I found out a lot of things. I found out that Apple's computers aren't as proprietary as everyone on these and other forums seem to make them out to be. I found out that there are a TON of great programs available for OS X.

I could actually admit that I was wrong for blindly bashing something I was ignorant about and learned how powerful OS X really was.
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?
Should I start mentioning games?

ah, yes computer games. The true measure of any real computer's worth. ;)


Lethal
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?
Should I start mentioning games?

ah, yes computer games. The true measure of any real computer's worth. ;)


Lethal
Well, considering it's a multi-billion dollar industry, I'd have to say yes ;)
 

mpitts

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?

My 4 year old PC has all the same software, but I can use two mouse button's and a scroll whell with it.

Wow. Here is a news flash for you:

APPLE COMPUTERS CAN USE A TWO-BUTTON MOUSE WITH A SCROLL WHEEL!"

They will take any USB mouse you plug into it. Hell, I had my MS Explorer and had all 4 buttons working. Do you know what I had to do to get that functionality? Plug it into the USB port. That's it.

If you bought an HP computer, would you use the mouse that came with it or would you buy a new one?
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm rescinding an earlier statement. Not all mac users are lamers. I think some of you are pretty darn ok :)

I don't like macs though :) Well they are pretty at least.

:D
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?
Should I start mentioning games?

ah, yes computer games. The true measure of any real computer's worth. ;)


Lethal
Well, considering it's a multi-billion dollar industry, I'd have to say yes ;)

The industry makes money off of you, but how much money do you make from the industry? How much was the last pay check you got from playing video games? ;)


Lethal
 

mpitts

Lifer
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Originally posted by: clicknext
I'd get a Mac, except:

1) I could get 3 PCs instead.
2) There are about 3 games that work on the mac.
3) I go anywhere to download software on the internet and it says "for windows"!!

1. Apple computers start at $799 (monitor included)
2. There are tons of games for the Mac. They just come out later than they do on a PC.
3. Have you ever looked for software for a Mac? If not, then that is probably why you haven't seen any.
 

mpitts

Lifer
Jun 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?
Should I start mentioning games?

Who buys a PowerMac to play games? I have a PC for that.
 

mpitts

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Skoorb
OK if you're a REAL graphic artist (I'm aware of none on Anandtech - not to say there are none but playing with photoshop for an hour/ day does not make you a "graphic artist" in the hardcore sense) go ahead and play with your Mac. Have fun.

I work about 10 feet from a "real graphic artist". He has a G4. A girl in our department that does some of the same things on a PC has to restart 3-4 times a day using the same programs and doing the same type of graphic design he does with his mac without ever having to restart. I've seen them both while using Adobe products and the Mac is far superior.
Please stop judging PCs which are obviously not running on the NT kernel.
EDIT: Incompetent PC techs? I've personally seen Win2k boxes which have not been rebooted in months.

Windows 2000 is based on the NT kernel.
 

ultimatebob

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Yeah, Windows 2000 is a stable operating system. The only ways you can screw it up is with bad drivers, or installing a bunch of buggy spyware on it.

Trust me, I've seen stupid users to both to their systems, and then complain how buggy Windows is
rolleye.gif
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: mpitts
Mac are great.

So are PCs.

Maybe someday, when Mac-haters shut their mouths and open their eyes, they will realize that.
When Macs run more than 3 applications get back to me. When Macs are not a super huge ripoff get back to me. In fact when Macs are as good as PCs get back to me. :)

OK, what apps do you want to run?

Web Browser? check
Microsoft Office? check
FTP? check
IRC? check
Newsreader? check
CD burning? check
MP3 player? check
Microsoft Media Player? check
Business Finance software? check
Macromedia Studio? check
Every Adobe product made? check
Anti-Virus? check

Should I continue?

My 4 year old PC has all the same software, but I can use two mouse button's and a scroll whell with it.

Wow. Here is a news flash for you:

APPLE COMPUTERS CAN USE A TWO-BUTTON MOUSE WITH A SCROLL WHEEL!"

They will take any USB mouse you plug into it. Hell, I had my MS Explorer and had all 4 buttons working. Do you know what I had to do to get that functionality? Plug it into the USB port. That's it.

If you bought an HP computer, would you use the mouse that came with it or would you buy a new one?

Yes I would use the mouse that came with the computer until it died. When MACs are used in computer lab do they purchase new mice for the systems?
 

ultimatebob

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Also, did you know that you can use a one-button Mac mouse on a PC? Give it a try if you ever get bored.
 

MazerRackham

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Maybe you should read some of the REAL reviews on the G5. Apple messed with the benchmarks. It's not nearly as great as they make it out to be.

It's not nearly as bad as the site that said the benchmarks were rigged makes it out, either. They talk about using GCC instead of an Intel compiler in the intel machine. The intel machine was running linux. Go ahead and poll linux users on here, find out how many of them use GCC, and how many use an intel compiler. it'll be pretty close to 100/0 in favor of GCC.

Then they didn't enable SSE2. Hardly anything actually uses SSE2. It's technology that isn't used very much yet. Hell, the entire standard distribution of RedHat is compiled to run on a 386. It doesn't even use MMX.

Also, the benchmarks were not performed by Apple. They were performed by Veritest, who does almost everyone's benchmarks.
Owned! :)
 

hans007

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Maybe you should read some of the REAL reviews on the G5. Apple messed with the benchmarks. It's not nearly as great as they make it out to be.

It's not nearly as bad as the site that said the benchmarks were rigged makes it out, either. They talk about using GCC instead of an Intel compiler in the intel machine. The intel machine was running linux. Go ahead and poll linux users on here, find out how many of them use GCC, and how many use an intel compiler. it'll be pretty close to 100/0 in favor of GCC.

Then they didn't enable SSE2. Hardly anything actually uses SSE2. It's technology that isn't used very much yet. Hell, the entire standard distribution of RedHat is compiled to run on a 386. It doesn't even use MMX.

Also, the benchmarks were not performed by Apple. They were performed by Veritest, who does almost everyone's benchmarks.

yeah but EVERYONE who will have a g5 will run osx. 2% of people who have a p4 run linux probably.
 

Ennia

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This thread is so interesting i have to add my 5 cents worth. *LOL*

First of all, I don't have a Mac. Why? Coz they're too pricey.

But I love Macs... they are an absolutely innovative design. =P~~ You can't say they look bad and boring. Too bad about the mouse. But at least we can just plug in any old mouse and it'll work fine. See, if they start having two button mice, all the Mac haters will start shouting "PC copycat!" Never mind that Microsoft actually copied the Mac interface in the first place or that we're seeing a few PC systems coming out that look undoubtly like Macs. Yeah... Macs have come up with many innovative things and PC's can't help but copy them because they're THAT good.

Macs are designed for multimedia in the first place. PCs were for workstations. That's why programs like photoshop and others were orginally made for the Mac. Way back Macs could do alot of things PC's couldn't like sound..PC's didn't used to have sound but Mas did. Oh, that's all changed now for sure but Macs still remain at the forefront for Graphic designers and the such because they work better.

Someone said something about paying heaps for a Mac for simple things like surfing the web or writing essays. Have you noticed how much money people are forking out for PC's???!! Graphic cards, storage, dual processors etc etc... And they're still doing the same things!...surfing and writing essays. Also Macs don't have problems with parts not working with each other because all the parts are made by Apple so they work. Of course, that's probably why Macs are more expensive. There's not as much competition with all these companies producing the same things. But for peace of mind... I think it's okay. Macs on a whole are more stable than PC's and more intutuive and personal to use. Not saying that there isn't that initial learning curve...but once you're over that, Macs rock. And MS Office for the Mac has some niffy extras.

Oh yeah, and a recent survey I read in a newspaper say people with a Mac are more likely to build web pages, earn more dosh in higher paid jobs, are more educated and happier than people with PC's. Go figure.

Here are two links to sites about people switching to Macs. There's heaps more but two's good.
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/ct/48
http://www.theimac.com/news/archive/132.htm

Oh, and as for Macs not running some Windows programs...it's called Virtual PC. Sure, there may be complaints that it's slow but it works.

When I get my PC, I'm gonna change it to a Mac OSX skin. But at the end of the day, both platforms are good. I'm just sick of people bagging off Macs because they haven't tried it or are too scared to in case they decide to stay with it.

Macs are beautiful, innovative, more stable, intutive, personal, more suited to multimedia (they developed Quicktime didn't they?), user friendly and expensive. Imagine one on your table... Now that gives you serious bragging rights. =) Damn, it'll look good.
PCs are cheaper, have more choice in parts, more people use them, get duplicated in the millions, their interface are getting good (even if they're copying the Macs), and on a whole are doing extremely well and better than Macs coz of price differencies.

I'm getting a PC coz i can't afford a Mac and i have more choices to configurate my own system. I like both PC's and Mac's but everyone can make up his or her own mind. Just thought I'll defend the poor ole Mac and give a few facts. Yes. FACTS. Multimedia student that I am.:D
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: mpitts
Who buys a PowerMac to play games? I have a PC for that.

Really. I could say "I like to play the Mario and Zelda series'. PCs suck! Why woulod anyone buy a PC for $1000 when they can buy a GameCube for $150? The PC doesn't even run Mario Sunshine!"

Yeah, there's not as many game options for the mac. There's also not a lot of trailer hitch options for my mustang. So? How many people do you know that bought a mustang to tow things?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
And I'm only saying that because I'm green with envy!!! Damn I wish I had the kind of jang to afford a Mac! That new G5 is just absolutely SICK! What a helluva machine. Ok, time to quit daydreaming and get back to reality. Until I'm a millionare I guess I'll just have to stick it out for a while with my old PC and a cheap Mandrake wannabe hack of that beautiful OS X (drool...:p).

Ahem. You "is suck" for using the improper AT non-speak, "are suck"! Shame! ;)