MAC Haters

[TNTrulez]

Another thing is that Mac doesn't have Counter-Strike

 

[hoihtah]

Originally posted by: maladroit
games

this is just awesome.

i love the part where he whispers... "... ... photoshop..."
hehe.

 

[Deeko]

Allow me to quote the Apple sales rep that used to come into Circuit City.

"What? A second mouse button? What could you possibly need that for? Look, if you hold down the Apple key while you click, it does the same thing!"

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Allow me to quote the Apple sales rep that used to come into Circuit City.

"What? A second mouse button? What could you possibly need that for? Look, if you hold down the Apple key while you click, it does the same thing!"

He is a dork. Just get a MS Explorer. Its awesome. I too would own a Mac, but the cost prohibitive.

 

[Deeko]

Proof starts with the original title... MAC = Media Access Control Mac = Macintosh

It also stands for Money Access center. Or probably alot of other things. But perhaps he capitalized it not to show an acronym, but rather for emphasis?

oh, mac boys, you love to point out that Mac's support other mice. Of course they do. So why is it so difficult to come with one??

 

[Bulk Beef]

Ummm, I would like to add that the mice suck.

 

[Heisenberg]

I have a couple main problems with Macs. First and foremost, that damn one-button mouse. Even our die-hard Mac guy at work agrees that was the worst idea ever. Next, the myth that Macs are faster than PC's, and the cost/performance ratio. We did a benchmark of a G4 400Mhz vs. a PIII 700Mhz, both with 128M of RAM. The G4 was running Linux PowerPC and the x86 box was running Redhat. The results are posted below. The module numbers refer to different types of tests. The numbers in the right columns under the MFLOPS heading are what to pay attention to. In 7 of the 8 categories, the PIII beat the G4. In the other category, the difference was only about 5%. Keep in the mind the PIII cost about half what the G4 did.

#Done on a PowerMac G4 400MHZ with 128M RAM. 10/11/00
FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992

Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
(usec)
1 2.8422e-14 0.1255 111.5121
2 2.5047e-13 0.1154 60.6635
3 -7.6605e-15 0.0655 259.3564
4 2.2782e-13 0.0954 157.2482
5 3.8969e-14 0.2235 129.7448
6 7.6050e-15 0.1434 202.2888
7 -1.1369e-13 0.3139 38.2280
8 1.2612e-13 0.1506 199.1701

Iterations = 128000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0050
MFLOPS(1) = 80.9339
MFLOPS(2) = 79.6235
MFLOPS(3) = 130.6031
MFLOPS(4) = 200.0343

#Done on a PIII 700MHZ with 128M RAM. 10/11/00
FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992

Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
(usec)
1 -7.4571e-12 0.0766 182.8571
2 -5.5689e-13 0.0970 72.1417
3 9.8721e-14 0.0681 249.6845
4 3.7704e-13 0.0561 267.5958
5 -1.3009e-13 0.1408 205.9933
6 1.8842e-13 0.1112 260.7657
7 1.6792e-10 0.1818 66.0077
8 7.7942e-14 0.1125 266.5741

Iterations = 256000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0027
MFLOPS(1) = 93.9914
MFLOPS(2) = 128.8264
MFLOPS(3) = 195.4403
MFLOPS(4) = 261.5765

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

I have a couple main problems with Macs. First and foremost, that damn one-button mouse.

Oh... my... lord... you DID NOT just say that...

Heisenberg, nothing personal, but you obviously biased against the Mac. Biased people mean the "tests" they do will have biased results. Again, nothing personal, but consider your results invalidated.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Czar
1. Designed for simple people

Or people who prefer the features OS X has over Windows.

2. One mouse button

My logitech mouse has 3 buttons.

3. Horrible keyboard

The ps2 keyboard Im using sucks too.

4. Constant crashes (all the macs I'v even come close to have been like that)

The admin for those Macs sucks.

5. Innificiant gui

I find it much easier than the Windows gui. But mine must be an inccorect opinion

6. One mouse button (realy hate that)

The new version os Shake for Mac OS X requires 3 mouse buttons, so look for a new Apple mouse.

7. Mac users think for some reason that macs are more powerful than pc's when its been proven otherwise (link1,link2)

They have their bottlenecks.

8. Mac users think of Steve Jobs as their cult leader and Macworld as a big cult gathering (said so themselves)

He is, it is, its a wonderful thing

9. One mouse button

I press a key on the keyboard (where my left hand is already) and I get the same as a right click. I wish the mouse would just die anyways, its the most inefficient thing out there!

10. Built for looks

Its got looks along with everything else.

I'll soon go in circles if I go on writing this.

Or just spout more BS

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sward666
Czar has that right - nothing pisses me off more than the Mac mouse. One button, the action sucks, and that stupid iMac mouse (the round one) is the worst piece of hardware EVER, bar none.

The hockey puck mouse was discontinued a while ago.

 

[Goosemaster]

I must say that Macs are easily visually appearing, but in MY EXPERIENCES and THOSE OF MY FELLOW COLLEGE-STUDENT friends, they have not performed adaquately.


Using various commerical Engineering programs, the Macs were very slow-going and programs crashing were not a rare occurence.

Then again, my friend did DV editing using Final CUT Pro 3 using a $3000 Camera and I was definitely impressed with the finesse of the program, and his system was very smooth using OSX.


Even so, I have only compared the Engineering Programs and the PCs indded performed better. Don't bother contracdicting this because frankly I don't care.

As for the DV editing, my dads 1 ghz THunderbird does it flawlessly as well, but with a $100 sony DV camera so maybe there is no difference at all except for Final Cut Pro 3, to which I give its due credit.


Basically, PowerMac4Ever, please respond to my "sdram" statement.



Arguing OS's to the tune of Windows vs. OSX is just a wait of time because experiences are always biased to to preference.

I love linux more htan windows..but have XP on my main machine.

Why? You go figure it out...


EDIT: FOrgot...my DaD has a 1ghz Thunderbird..my bad

 

[MacBaine]

I have a couple main problems with Macs. First and foremost, that damn one-button mouse.

I think this pretty much confirms the study that showed Mac users to be more intelligent than PC users. Let me give it a go...

MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!
MACINTOSH COMPUTERS SUPPORT ALL 2+ BUTTON USB MICE, INCLUDING THE MS 5 BUTTON INTELLIMOUSE EXPLORER!!!

GOT IT?!

<-- PC user.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: pcman2002b
Everyone and anyone that hates Macintosh computers please reply to this message. I want to see how long of a list of different complaints, gripes, and problems people have with Macintosh's and pretty much Apple Computers in general.

Especially reply if you have seen Apple's latest ad campaign for their OSX. You know the one that totally trashes Windows, I know Apple's OS is no gem either. So Come On. Reply see if we can get it up to like 200 replies or something.

I think OSX is crap...

What a wonderful statement!

It's not as stable as the OS it was ripped out from,

The desktop version may not be, but it also doesnt use the same kernel and hasnt been around for as long.

it has a horrible GUI...

Yeah, but what doesnt?

it just plain sucks, like an ugly version of windows without the stability that it SHOULD have...

I believe it is as stable as XP.

I prefer the X86 setup because hardware is cheaper,

Most of the hardware is the same, but I know what you mean. Ill give you this one.

software is cheaper

freshmeat.net has plenty of free software.

and there is a lot more of it,

Most of the things I have tried compiling on Mac OS X work.

if i want to i can run Windows,

Virtual pc

Linux,

Yellow Dog Linux

FreeBSD,

Working on a Mac PPC port.

Solaris

Solaris x86 put out of its misery with v9.

OpenBSD and NetBSD also work on Mac PPC platform.

and whatever i would like on it... all of those on the same pc, and if i want to, all of them at the same time...

There are more choices with the PC... freedom of choice is something i value...

I have the same choices with my Mac.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: LAUST
I'd like to have atleast 4 software titles available to me.

Plus I like my 5 button Explorer 3.0

Crashes during "Chuck a Duck"

If they are so superior at graphics why are SGI boxes Alpha and Intel

I've worked for MCI, USWest, Citicorp, Nextel, Coors, and a few other large corps.. no MAC... hmmm I'm so as to why

I believe SGI used MIPS. I have plenty of software on my Mac, most of which cost a total of $0 USD. Your 5 button explorer might work on it, you should try it. I personally dont like LOTS of buttons on my mice (no more than 3) because of finger twitches

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
SDRAM

You *probably* wouldn't notice a difference in the speed of SDR and DDR on a Mac since the MHz are low.

The next G4 is supposed to utilize the DDR in the Xserve and possibly in upcoming powermacs. It has nothing to do with the mhz of the processor. The bandwidth is low, and everyone should be able to agree on that. Not busting your balls or anything

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ICSVortex
I dont have as much against them as I used to, they seem to be getting better with OSX. But heres a list of stuff I dont like:

Overpriced

Agreed, kinda.

Lack of software

freshmeat.net, fink.sourceforge.net (maybe finks... its been a while)

Lack of upgradability

Only part you cant upgrade is the mobo.

1 Button Mouse

Logitech mice are almost always Mac compatible.

No floppy drive ( need to buy one seperate )

Floppy what?

I like MacOS X better than anything Microsoft has ever released, but I use KDE so I'm happy. I like they way they look but that and OS X is the only thing I like about em

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

n0cmonkey.... you are The Man and I'm going to sleep!

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: BDawg
I think you should re-title this thread:

The Thread of Ignorance

Proof starts with the original title... MAC = Media Access Control Mac = Macintosh

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
n0cmonkey.... you are The Man and I'm going to sleep!

I try.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: CedarTeeth135
All of those damn programs that come with the OS.

iTunes saves me from having to downlaod mpg321 (because winamp has always sucked)
iphoto helps me organize my pr0n
imovie helps me make pr0n
mail doesnt spread outlook only viruses

Single click button, I like to think I'm sophistocated enough to have two clickers on my mouse, wait, i actually have three, pluss a wheel, that must be damn confusing to mac users.

You'd get confused holding down ctrl and the mouse button wouldnt you?

Or plugging in a logitech 3 button wheel mouse. Its pretty tough.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sward666

2. If you don't like the 1 button mouse, sell it on eBay for like $40 or $50 and buy a multiple button one.

Do people pay that much for the stupid hockey-puck mouse. I can't decide if those things are less useful as mice than they are as yo-yos.

The hockey puck mouse was phased out like 2 years ago when too many Canadians got confused (in that special way only they can) and broke too many of those mice.

Please stop with the hockey puck mouse crap.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

Originally posted by: DJP
I'm guessing the people posting at the beginning of this thread were just ignorant of OS X, they're probably talking about the crash prone OS 9. OS X is a new operating system that really is totally unrelated to os 9.

I'd agree Apple (the company) sucks, and the hardware is rediculously overpriced. HOWEVER, it is the only computer that will run OS X. And OS X is a dream OS for geeks like me. Has the stability of BSD (based on it) and a GUI that puts GNOME or KDE to shame. I love how it keeps all it's settings in a little xml file for each app in the user's library/prefs folder. You can go right in those and poke around to your heart's content. You can also delete them if you screw them up and they get recreated on the fly. There is no idiotic registry that gets corrupted and is filled with unintelligible gibberish.

OS X is amazingly stable (never had a crash in the year I've used it-- not ONE. No conflicts, no driver issues, no bluescreens.)
Amazingly stable. Part of this is because they have a pretty tight handle regarding what goes into the machine (one could call this a disadvantage too). Typically, they're decked out from the factory (which also makes them expensive) and none of the hardware has "issues" with other components. When you burn a cd, it always works the exact same way every time. My XP box seems to choke when I do more than 6 things at once. The mac never seems to. I even have that serenescreen fish tank as my desktop pattern (using xBack). Anyone know if you can do that on an XP box (use an opengl screensaver as a desktop background?)

About the only things you can say bad about apple are the hardware and the idiotic marketing, they need desperately to switch to intel/amd and ditch the powerpc. They also need to fire all the marketing idiots. That switch ad campaign is for losers.

Anyway, my whole point was: if they made os X for intel, I guarantee you'd all install it in a second and quickly pee your pants after seeing how well it works. It gives XP a run for it's money and makes linux look sad.

Linux spanks OSX anyday. Just because you don't know how to use linux well doesn't mean OS X is superior.

Put some non-computer savvy person infront of a Mac running Mac OS X and then in front of a Linux machine. See which one is easier for them as a desktop. I like Mac OS X better, but I dont think its because I dont know how to use Linux well, I just think it makes an easier desktop OS. I wouldnt use it as a server though.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: pcman2002b
Everyone and anyone that hates Macintosh computers please reply to this message. I want to see how long of a list of different complaints, gripes, and problems people have with Macintosh's and pretty much Apple Computers in general.

Especially reply if you have seen Apple's latest ad campaign for their OSX. You know the one that totally trashes Windows, I know Apple's OS is no gem either. So Come On. Reply see if we can get it up to like 200 replies or something.

I think OSX is crap...

What a wonderful statement!

It's not as stable as the OS it was ripped out from,

The desktop version may not be, but it also doesnt use the same kernel and hasnt been around for as long.

it has a horrible GUI...

Yeah, but what doesnt?

it just plain sucks, like an ugly version of windows without the stability that it SHOULD have...

I believe it is as stable as XP.

I prefer the X86 setup because hardware is cheaper,

Most of the hardware is the same, but I know what you mean. Ill give you this one.

software is cheaper

freshmeat.net has plenty of free software.

and there is a lot more of it,

Most of the things I have tried compiling on Mac OS X work.

if i want to i can run Windows,

Virtual pc

Linux,

Yellow Dog Linux

FreeBSD,

Working on a Mac PPC port.

Solaris

Solaris x86 put out of its misery with v9.

OpenBSD and NetBSD also work on Mac PPC platform.

and whatever i would like on it... all of those on the same pc, and if i want to, all of them at the same time...

There are more choices with the PC... freedom of choice is something i value...

I have the same choices with my Mac.

Just to clear one thing up... i do NOT think that XP is more stable, it's pretty horrible too...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: DanFungus

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: DanFungus
you can't say OSX without saying crash in the same sentence

"OSX doesn't crash."

HAHAHAHA. YOU LOSE Mr. Clever!

haha, i was wondering how long it'd take...you were quicker than i thought
but with my experiences (and nobody can prove me wrong, since they were MY experieces...mAUhahHAhahHAha) it was really buggy, and crashed all the time.

Which version?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I admit it...I'm a hater. Why? Well, I guess I got tired of their crap over the years. The way they always refuse to play nice with anyone and make their hardware

Yeah! Standard RAM, hard drives, video cards, and pci slots isnt enough! Lets add... Uhhhh... Yeah!

/software compatible,

Compatible with what?

the way they're always out to "get" Windows (the latest smear campaigns really get to me, as they can obviously dish it out but not take it).

Microsoft started it with their Unix smear campaign

I really like some of the hardware designs they've had in the past few years, but why should I pay twice as much for a system which won't even run half of my software?

Stop buying closed source, proprietary software from companies that dont believe in open standards, or when they believe in such standards its because they can change them.