MAC Haters

[CedarTeeth135]

All of those damn programs that come with the OS.

Single click button, I like to think I'm sophistocated enough to have two clickers on my mouse, wait, i actually have three, pluss a wheel, that must be damn confusing to mac users.

Too expensive, I could build a comparable PC for much less.










They suck.

 

[Lucky]

Single click button, I like to think I'm sophistocated enough to have two clickers on my mouse, wait, i actually have three, pluss a wheel, that must be damn confusing to mac users.

Thats odd, I have FIVE buttons on my intellismouse explorer mouse-ON MY MAC. You must be too damm confused to realize that you can use mouses other than the stock one.

 

[Bulk Beef]

2. If you don't like the 1 button mouse, sell it on eBay for like $40 or $50 and buy a multiple button one.

Do people pay that much for the stupid hockey-puck mouse. I can't decide if those things are less useful as mice than they are as yo-yos.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: SerraYX
The stability and speed of simple tasks is amazingly low. I was helping a friend order a new notebook of Dell with his brother's G4 (and super beautiful 19" Apple monitor), and a simple task like opening a NetScape browser took forever. Although it was on 56k, scrolling on a page with >1 pictures slowed to a crawl. Open a page in a new browser...shiver...I was late to work because of it.

We used iMacs in Pascal/C++ class..I'll give them credit for being so quiet and small in a good way.

Kinda pissed me off that his own K6 400 was faster and more stable, just had a damaged modem

Actually, the problem is Netscape in that case. Netscape anything for OS X is rather low performing, including the base Mozilla build. However, there's a version of Mozilla that is rebuilt using OS X's native programming style(Cocca, vs Carbon for normal Mozilla) that's amazingly fast compared to everytihng else out there. If you have a Mac, check it out at Mozilla.org, it's called Chimera. Very simple, very elegant, and extremely fast(enough so that I'm using it over IE right now).

Oh, and for the last time, you can use almost any USB mouse you want with OS X as long as you're willing to get drivers(and if you aren't, I want you to revert to the shipping drivers on WinXP; it comes with Nvidia's 12.41 among other things). Microsoft has a driver set for their mice, and a product called "USB Overdrive" will cover most other mice.

 

[jcuadrado]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Single click button, I like to think I'm sophistocated enough to have two clickers on my mouse, wait, i actually have three, pluss a wheel, that must be damn confusing to mac users.

Thats odd, I have FIVE buttons on my intellismouse explorer mouse-ON MY MAC. You must be too damm confused to realize that you can use mouses other than the stock one.

you on that G4 yet Lucky?....

I have a Apple G4 at work and love it..I also have a PC at work and love it too...I have a gaming PC at home and I love it...gonna pick up a used Powerbook soon....and guess what...I'll probably enjoy the hell out of it...for basic stuff..like surfing the net, word processing, email, IM, etc....the MAC does just as well as any PC...and that's what the majority of the world does on their computers...if you can't afford one, oh well..that's different...some people such as myself can't afford a Mercedes....so I'll wait till I can...

and please....let's not talk about crashing....my PC's crash as much as my MAC...or even more.

-JC

 

[narzy]

my only gripe is the price, but I am getting a Ti powerbook .

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: CedarTeeth135
All of those damn programs that come with the OS.

Single click button, I like to think I'm sophistocated enough to have two clickers on my mouse, wait, i actually have three, pluss a wheel, that must be damn confusing to mac users.

Too expensive, I could build a comparable PC for much less.

They suck.

Looks like you're not sophisticated enough to read the whole thread before you make a dumbass of yourself in front of 80,000 anandtechers. Oh, and what Lucky said!

 

[crypticlogin]

The Mac comparative pricing is about the only thing I dislike Apple for, otherwise there hasn't been a really convincing argument *against* Macs since the G3 models rolled around.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: sward666

2. If you don't like the 1 button mouse, sell it on eBay for like $40 or $50 and buy a multiple button one.

Do people pay that much for the stupid hockey-puck mouse. I can't decide if those things are less useful as mice than they are as yo-yos.

I was talking about the Apple Pro Mouse. The newer optical oval-shaped one. As stated before, Apple hasn't made the puck roughly 2 years (I think). Also, apparantly the pro mouse goes for $20-$30 on eBay, not the price I originally stated. Either way, $30 is plenty for a new mouse.

 

[RGN]

OS X is awesome. It scales from computer morons to l337 u53rs.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Did I mention that the mouse sucks.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: tenchim
The Mac comparative pricing is about the only thing I dislike Apple for, otherwise there hasn't been a really convincing argument *against* Macs since the G3 models rolled around.

The problem is that not a lot of people know anything about Macs, so they are quick to point out its flaws. Mac users generally don't complain about crashing because they know it's a good system they're using. You're more likely to say something "sucks" if:

1. Other people don't like it
2. You don't know anything about it

I guarantee if you take all the anti-Mac biased people that have never actually used a Mac, set them up with one, 90% of them will complain about it thanks to their deep-root bias. And so forth.

 

[crypticlogin]

The problem is that not a lot of people know anything about Macs, so they are quick to point out its flaws. Mac users generally don't complain about crashing because they know it's a good system they're using. You're more likely to say something "sucks" if:

1. Other people don't like it
2. You don't know anything about it

I guarantee if you take all the anti-Mac biased people that have never actually used a Mac, set them up with one, 90% of them will complain about it thanks to their deep-root bias. And so forth.

I agree, no beefs here. The anti-Mac folks would spend more time looking for the bugs and bomb errors D) than using the damn thing and appreciate what it has to offer, not what it doesn't.

 

[CedarTeeth135]

Well, i'm sorry PowerMac4Ever, but the only macs I've ever used, have only had one click, and it bugged the hell out of me.

 

[DJP]

I'm guessing the people posting at the beginning of this thread were just ignorant of OS X, they're probably talking about the crash prone OS 9. OS X is a new operating system that really is totally unrelated to os 9.

I'd agree Apple (the company) sucks, and the hardware is rediculously overpriced. HOWEVER, it is the only computer that will run OS X. And OS X is a dream OS for geeks like me. Has the stability of BSD (based on it) and a GUI that puts GNOME or KDE to shame. I love how it keeps all it's settings in a little xml file for each app in the user's library/prefs folder. You can go right in those and poke around to your heart's content. You can also delete them if you screw them up and they get recreated on the fly. There is no idiotic registry that gets corrupted and is filled with unintelligible gibberish.

OS X is amazingly stable (never had a crash in the year I've used it-- not ONE. No conflicts, no driver issues, no bluescreens.)
Amazingly stable. Part of this is because they have a pretty tight handle regarding what goes into the machine (one could call this a disadvantage too). Typically, they're decked out from the factory (which also makes them expensive) and none of the hardware has "issues" with other components. When you burn a cd, it always works the exact same way every time. My XP box seems to choke when I do more than 6 things at once. The mac never seems to. I even have that serenescreen fish tank as my desktop pattern (using xBack). Anyone know if you can do that on an XP box (use an opengl screensaver as a desktop background?)

About the only things you can say bad about apple are the hardware and the idiotic marketing, they need desperately to switch to intel/amd and ditch the powerpc. They also need to fire all the marketing idiots. That switch ad campaign is for losers.

Anyway, my whole point was: if they made os X for intel, I guarantee you'd all install it in a second and quickly pee your pants after seeing how well it works. It gives XP a run for it's money and makes linux look sad.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: CedarTeeth135
Well, i'm sorry PowerMac4Ever, but the only macs I've ever used, have only had one click, and it bugged the hell out of me.

What's your point? Did I or Lucky not say that there multiple button mice available for Macs? What, you want me to repeat myself?

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

double (sorry(again))

 

[fatbaby]

At my hs, we have dells and macs...Obviously the dells outperform macs in EVERY TASK!

They beat the macs in bootup time, software load time, web surfing...i guess just about everything! And the $800 dell pcs have an easier to read monitor, better speakers, and cost the same as the $800 imacs!

That hockey puck shaped mouse really bugs me, but i think the new optical one is quite nice . I've never played games or ran ps on the macs yet so i can't really make a judgement there.

whats your budget?

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: DJP
I'm guessing the people posting at the beginning of this thread were just ignorant of OS X, they're probably talking about the crash prone OS 9. OS X is a new operating system that really is totally unrelated to os 9.

I'd agree Apple (the company) sucks, and the hardware is rediculously overpriced. HOWEVER, it is the only computer that will run OS X. And OS X is a dream OS for geeks like me. Has the stability of BSD (based on it) and a GUI that puts GNOME or KDE to shame. I love how it keeps all it's settings in a little xml file for each app in the user's library/prefs folder. You can go right in those and poke around to your heart's content. You can also delete them if you screw them up and they get recreated on the fly. There is no idiotic registry that gets corrupted and is filled with unintelligible gibberish.

OS X is amazingly stable (never had a crash in the year I've used it-- not ONE. No conflicts, no driver issues, no bluescreens.)
Amazingly stable. Part of this is because they have a pretty tight handle regarding what goes into the machine (one could call this a disadvantage too). Typically, they're decked out from the factory (which also makes them expensive) and none of the hardware has "issues" with other components. When you burn a cd, it always works the exact same way every time. My XP box seems to choke when I do more than 6 things at once. The mac never seems to. I even have that serenescreen fish tank as my desktop pattern (using xBack). Anyone know if you can do that on an XP box (use an opengl screensaver as a desktop background?)

About the only things you can say bad about apple are the hardware and the idiotic marketing, they need desperately to switch to intel/amd and ditch the powerpc. They also need to fire all the marketing idiots. That switch ad campaign is for losers.

Anyway, my whole point was: if they made os X for intel, I guarantee you'd all install it in a second and quickly pee your pants after seeing how well it works. It gives XP a run for it's money and makes linux look sad.

Linux spanks OSX anyday. Just because you don't know how to use linux well doesn't mean OS X is superior.

 

[DanFungus]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: DanFungus
you can't say OSX without saying crash in the same sentence

"OSX doesn't crash."

HAHAHAHA. YOU LOSE Mr. Clever!

haha, i was wondering how long it'd take...you were quicker than i thought
but with my experiences (and nobody can prove me wrong, since they were MY experieces...mAUhahHAhahHAha) it was really buggy, and crashed all the time.

 

[vetteguy]

I admit it...I'm a hater. Why? Well, I guess I got tired of their crap over the years. The way they always refuse to play nice with anyone and make their hardware/software compatible, the way they're always out to "get" Windows (the latest smear campaigns really get to me, as they can obviously dish it out but not take it). I really like some of the hardware designs they've had in the past few years, but why should I pay twice as much for a system which won't even run half of my software?

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I admit it...I'm a hater. Why? Well, I guess I got tired of their crap over the years. The way they always refuse to play nice with anyone and make their hardware/software compatible, the way they're always out to "get" Windows (the latest smear campaigns really get to me, as they can obviously dish it out but not take it). I really like some of the hardware designs they've had in the past few years, but why should I pay twice as much for a system which won't even run half of my software?

What crap are you talking about? Who does Apple refuse to play nice with? What exactly do you mean when you say "make their hardware/software compatible"? This "out to get Windows" is actually relatively new. Before their latest ad campaign, Apple hadn't done anti-Windows ads for 5 or 6 years. Seems like Apple can dish it out.. but YOU are the one that can't take it, not them. Some people think Apple's systems are worth the money. Especially people involved in sound and graphics. Think Macs are expensive? Send them a message by not buying one and move along.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Edit Wierd.. I got a forbidden message and it double posted me

 

[Electrode]

Lucky, a valient attempt, but these people are just to stupid to understand that one of their best arguments against macs is a moot point.

You've gotta do it like this:



THE

MAC

SUPPORTS

ALL

2+

BUTTON

USB

MICE

INCLUDING

5+

BUTTON

INTELLIMOUSE

EXPLORERS

!!!!!


The only reason why I have a dual Athlon MP rig under my desk instead of a dual G4 powermac is because they are so damn expensive, and although OS X is the coolest looking thing I've ever seen (better than Linux!) it's just too buggy and slow. When Apple cuts the prices of their hardware in half and releases a new major OS revision, I'll pick one up, along with a clicky IBM keyboard and an optical scroll mouse.

 

[lowtech1]

You don't to have a PPC to run Darwin. Go here and down load GNU-Darwin for x86.