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M&S Faces Boycott As It Lets Muslim Staff Refuse To Sell Alcohol Or Pork

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Nebor said:
At some point I too made the switch from some sort of libertarian to admitting that I like the idea of a big, powerful central government to force social change, make war, defend the borders, etc.
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Fascism is basically the logical conclusion from both Socialism and Libertarianism once you realize most people are idiots.
 
It still doesn't work. If M&S refused to sell alcohol entirely, then they wouldn't stock it. The Muslim employee refused to sell alcohol to anyone, and not just a pre-selected few.
The baker on the other hand has wedding cakes for sell to everyone.. unless you're gay.
 
nehalem256 said:
Fascism is basically the logical conclusion from both Socialism and Libertarianism once you realize most people are idiots.
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Yeah, I think my evolution of understanding the nature of people played a pretty big part in it. And the most amazing part is that at some level, most people really like being told what to do.
 
I know it's not politically correct to say, but if your religion is so strict that even the simple act of vending pork or alcohol to somebody violates some principal tenet of your faith, you're part of the problem with the world. Adherence to an illogical extreme in the name of religion is a problem no matter what the religion is. I realize that the company normally made concessions under these circumstances and failed to do so, but frankly the idea that someone should be excused from ringing somebody up because they disagree with their purchases for ANY REASON doesn't strike me as a valid hardship exclusion. "What's this, soy bacon and a Justin Bieber CD? I'm sorry, I can't sell you this. It's, ummm... against my religion. Yeah, that's it. I'm a Seventh Day Anti-Shitist." It's ridiculous. God is OK with you working in a place where they sell products that are worthy of divine wrath as long as you don't personally handle them?
 
schmuckley said:
Hmm..takes job @ company that sells alcohol and pork..refuses to sell alcohol and pork..fired..next!
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Uhhh... No. Person takes job at company with an established company policy. Company did not adhere to that policy. Company remedies situation in accordance to their standing policy. Raving morons bitch and moan online that a company was allowed to operate within their own policies and wishes to accommodate their staff.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
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God is OK with you working in a place where they sell products that are worthy of divine wrath as long as you don't personally handle them?
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Yeah, pretty funny.

I thought the rule was just against consuming them. Looks like they've extended it to where you can't touch the outside of a container for the vile substance.

Fern
 
I have no problem with company hiring who they want. It's a private company, let 'em do what they want.

I have no problem with people boycotting them for it. It's their money and they can spend it where they wish.

Fern
 
Fern said:
Yeah, pretty funny.

I thought the rule was just against consuming them. Looks like they've extended it to where you can't touch the outside of a container for the vile substance.

Fern
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But for some reason they can be in the same store with it?^_^
 
WelshBloke said:
I'd be fine working as an accountant for a company that makes gay porn, doesn't mean I'd be happy to fill in as a fluffer if they were short on the floor.
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I'll admit that I'm not familiar with the intricacies of British law, but is sliding a bottle of champagne across a scanner really comparable to a blowjob?
 
Atomic Playboy said:
I'll admit that I'm not familiar with the intricacies of British law, but is sliding a bottle of champagne across a scanner really comparable to a blowjob?
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I suppose that would depend on your employment contract and agreed duties.
But plenty of people here seem to think that you should be prepared to do anything that's needed so I guess that they would be happy to do the needful.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
I'll admit that I'm not familiar with the intricacies of British law, but is sliding a bottle of champagne across a scanner really comparable to a blowjob?
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Oh man, I was getting worried about where that champagne bottle was sliding before I reached the end of the sentence. :whiste:
 
Incorruptible said:
Customers at Marks & Spencer were outraged when a Muslim worker refused to serve customers who wanted to buy alcohol or pork.
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Ugh, I feel all icky that I sorta agree with you.

Were the customers right to be angry and threaten a boycott?
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Of course, as is the right of any consumer and exactly how consumers should handle business practices or behavior that they disagree with.

Should the employee be punished and not get special privileges?
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Completely up to the owner of the store. Should we be able to dictate, with force of law/government, that the employee be punished and not get special privileges from her private employer?

Now if you will excuse me, I really feel dirty and am going to shower.... twice...
 
Fern said:
I have no problem with company hiring who they want. It's a private company, let 'em do what they want.

I have no problem with people boycotting them for it. It's their money and they can spend it where they wish.

Fern
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Ding ding ding.

Like I said, my opinion is roughly that of someone who may or may not be the OP (sorry, just can't bring myself to admit it) but that is simply my opinion. At the end of the day both sides have the right to tell the other side to fuck off, as they damn well should. Store owner probably wouldn't be very smart doing that but its his business to do with as he pleases.
 
WelshBloke said:
I suppose that would depend on your employment contract and agreed duties.
But plenty of people here seem to think that you should be prepared to do anything that's needed so I guess that they would be happy to do the needful.
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I believe it is common for employment contracts to contain some language along the lines of "and all other duties as assigned by your manager"

So... happy fluffing :awe:
 
Incorruptible said:
How can they please all of their customers when many are furious over what happened? Religion shouldn't be involved at all and they should have made this more clear.
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How exactly clear did they make that to said employee? How exactly clear should they have made it to said employee? From a later post of yours, you state the company apologized and that the employee was not following corporate policy. If its already policy that she can't do it wtf more do you want?
 
Incorruptible said:
She should never have been hired if she pulls this crap. This is just too much political correctness and pandering along with the failure of multiculturalism.
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You're really just don't fucking understand the situation you posted do you? Really. It's M&S's own policy. They put her in a situation they told her she would never be put in to because they failed to follow their own policy. You have praised Christians who refused to serve people based on their beliefs. Your own words have been posted that contradict what you've put in this thread.

Are you saying this business should not be free to operate in a manner they choose and establish policies they they themselves want to follow? Or are you condeming them for excercising their freedom to take those actions?

Fuck how do you not hospitalize yourself every day? I'm amazed you can tie your own shoelaces.
 
Incorruptible said:
She should never have been hired if she pulls this crap. This is just too much political correctness and pandering along with the failure of multiculturalism.
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You really cant blame her, she is just following what she thinks her religion demands of her. The folks to be blamed are the management, who should have known that at Christmas time this would become a issue. Its only the busiest time of year for Wine sales and Pork! And im sure the issue caused a long line and some complaints to...The best thing they could do is move her off the registers. Problem largely solved.
 
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