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Low Benches with my XFX HD 4890

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PAPADOC

Member
Hello,

I just started testing the waters with my new HD 4890, but the scores seem low I am guessing my CPU is the bottleneck but need to know for sure.

So i have the 2 new Seagate 500gb's in Raid0
I have a Q6600 clocked at 3.78Ghz
and 2GB of Patriot Ram running at 1008Mhz DDR
The clocks on the HD4890 are at stock.

Hence in 3DMark06 I only get a score of : 14444 points


I had already upgraded my PSU

it's a corsair TX750 watts, I got this because it has 1 x 12v rail with 60 frigging Amps giving out 720 od the watts.
Isn't this enough?
But in the past when I used to bench with my old antec 500watts
the benches would crash they would not complete.
with the corsair PSU my 3DMark06 test actually finishes

So I don't get it

what's up with DAT?


:disgust:
 
Don't worry about 3dMark 06. It's a CPU limited benchmark at this point. I only get 16,500 with my 4890 OC 880/4000, while Core i7 2.66 gets ~20,000. Run Vantage instead. I get almost 11,000 on Performance, which is inline with scores online. From this you may want to conclude that Core i7 2.66 will smoke a Core 2 Quad 3.4ghz in games....

...Now, look at real world benchmarks and you'll see that Core i7 2.66 can't quite match a Core 2 Quad 3.4ghz => Benches

So, I suggest you run actual games and stop worrying about 3dmark 06 scores!

Test Crysis benchmark, Far Cry 2, etc.

Ram is so cheap now. Grab another 4 gigs for $50.
 
Just forget about the stupid 3dmark 2006 test already. It's 4 years old and it's a known situation that ATI cards score crap in it. My 4870 scored lower or almost the same as my old 8800 GT and you can't say that they're just as fast, because they aren't. I frankly don't even think that ATi engineers bother writing code lines in the drivers to support the 3dmark 2006 score in any way.
Use Vantage, if you care much about synthetic benchmarks, but it's better to just use the actual games and see if the card really lacks in performance.
 
The only reason I bought the card really is to bench it.

The game I play 90% of the time is online chess, and that doesn't required a hd4890



😀
 
Originally posted by: error8
Just forget about the stupid 3dmark 2006 test already. It's 4 years old and it's a known situation that ATI cards score crap in it. My 4870 scored lower or almost the same as my old 8800 GT and you can't say that they're just as fast, because they aren't. I frankly don't even think that ATi engineers bother writing code lines in the drivers to support the 3dmark 2006 score in any way.
Use Vantage, if you care much about synthetic benchmarks, but it's better to just use the actual games and see if the card really lacks in performance.
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wrong ~_~ the score stayed the same from 8800 to 4870 because the CPU did not change. The problem with 3dmark06 is that any card 3870/8800 to 4890 CF and trifire etc. will perform nearly the same untill you get to 4.5ghz+ speeds on any modern CPU

3dmark06 is CPU limited by a long shot, but i can gurantee that 4870 would smoke a 8800 GT at higher CPU clock speeds

i have 4850 trifire and 3870 trifire they score within 500pts of eachother with the same CPU and cpu clocks, but fire up any intensive game and the 4850trifire kills the 3870's
 
Originally posted by: PAPADOC
The only reason I bought the card really is to bench it.

The game I play 90% of the time is online chess, and that doesn't required a hd4890



😀
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Wha...? Why...? You spent all that money just to bench it on outdated software? Are you insane or just made of money?
 
Originally posted by: Rhoxed
Originally posted by: error8
Just forget about the stupid 3dmark 2006 test already. It's 4 years old and it's a known situation that ATI cards score crap in it. My 4870 scored lower or almost the same as my old 8800 GT and you can't say that they're just as fast, because they aren't. I frankly don't even think that ATi engineers bother writing code lines in the drivers to support the 3dmark 2006 score in any way.
Use Vantage, if you care much about synthetic benchmarks, but it's better to just use the actual games and see if the card really lacks in performance.
Click to expand...

wrong ~_~ the score stayed the same from 8800 to 4870 because the CPU did not change. The problem with 3dmark06 is that any card 3870/8800 to 4890 CF and trifire etc. will perform nearly the same untill you get to 4.5ghz+ speeds on any modern CPU
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Oh, so if I would have used a 4.5+ ghz cpu on my 4870 I would have scored better then what I did with my 8800 GT and the older E7200 I had? You think? What relevance a test of this kind has, if you use different cpus for each card?

Originally posted by: Rhoxed
3dmark06 is CPU limited by a long shot, but i can gurantee that 4870 would smoke a 8800 GT at higher CPU clock speeds
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Really? Ok, guarantee this to me. Show me how a 4.5ghz quad would score better with a 4870 then it would with a 8800 GT. Then I'll be convinced.

Originally posted by: Rhoxed
i have 4850 trifire and 3870 trifire they score within 500pts of eachother with the same CPU and cpu clocks, but fire up any intensive game and the 4850trifire kills the 3870's
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All I was saying is that Nvidia has always scored better in 3dmark 2006 and nobody said anything about SLI/tri crossfire, I was only speaking about single card setups. Pay more attention next time.
9600 GT versus 3870 - equal cards, Nvidia scores better (800 points better)
Forum user own benchmark - although 4870 1gb and gtx 260 c216 are as close as possible in performance, Nvidia card scores almost 2000 points higher.

So, the bottom line is, ATi always scores bad in 3dmark2006, opposed to Nvidia's cards. This has nothing to do with CPU speed and you can find yourself scoring worse with a faster ATi card, opposed to a slower Nvidia. In other benchmarks and games, scores change, but in the old 3dmark2006, Nvidia always wins. This is why nobody uses this benchmak anymore, since is irrelevant. Vantage works much better, but it still favors Nvidia a bit.
 
Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Rhoxed
Originally posted by: error8
Just forget about the stupid 3dmark 2006 test already. It's 4 years old and it's a known situation that ATI cards score crap in it. My 4870 scored lower or almost the same as my old 8800 GT and you can't say that they're just as fast, because they aren't. I frankly don't even think that ATi engineers bother writing code lines in the drivers to support the 3dmark 2006 score in any way.
Use Vantage, if you care much about synthetic benchmarks, but it's better to just use the actual games and see if the card really lacks in performance.
Click to expand...

wrong ~_~ the score stayed the same from 8800 to 4870 because the CPU did not change. The problem with 3dmark06 is that any card 3870/8800 to 4890 CF and trifire etc. will perform nearly the same untill you get to 4.5ghz+ speeds on any modern CPU
Click to expand...

Oh, so if I would have used a 4.5+ ghz cpu on my 4870 I would have scored better then what I did with my 8800 GT and the older E7200 I had? You think? What relevance a test of this kind has, if you use different cpus for each card?

Originally posted by: Rhoxed
3dmark06 is CPU limited by a long shot, but i can gurantee that 4870 would smoke a 8800 GT at higher CPU clock speeds
Click to expand...

Really? Ok, guarantee this to me. Show me how a 4.5ghz quad would score better with a 4870 then it would with a 8800 GT. Then I'll be convinced.

Originally posted by: Rhoxed
i have 4850 trifire and 3870 trifire they score within 500pts of eachother with the same CPU and cpu clocks, but fire up any intensive game and the 4850trifire kills the 3870's
Click to expand...

All I was saying is that Nvidia has always scored better in 3dmark 2006 and nobody said anything about SLI/tri crossfire, I was only speaking about single card setups. Pay more attention next time.
9600 GT versus 3870 - equal cards, Nvidia scores better (800 points better)
Forum user own benchmark - although 4870 1gb and gtx 260 c216 are as close as possible in performance, Nvidia card scores almost 2000 points higher.

So, the bottom line is, ATi always scores bad in 3dmark2006, opposed to Nvidia's cards. This has nothing to do with CPU speed and you can find yourself scoring worse with a faster ATi card, opposed to a slower Nvidia. In other benchmarks and games, scores change, but in the old 3dmark2006, Nvidia always wins. This is why nobody uses this benchmak anymore, since is irrelevant. Vantage works much better, but it still favors Nvidia a bit.
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http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=11260583

vs

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5920585

the CPU score is also higher on the 8800GT run, but it still doesnt make up for the lack of power compared to the 4870

i dont want to start a fued here, but why do you think most of the top score of 3dmark06 in the last year have been ATI? 3dmark06 is no longer favorable to nvidia (maybe to intel, but that is a different story, yes?)

all im trying to say is if the processor is 3ghz running 3dmark06 a 4870 and 8800GT will score very similar, but if you ramp the CPU clockspeed to where its waiting on the GPU (say 4.5 to 5ghz) the 4870 will outperform the 8800GT

 
Ok I will accept that 3D Mark is too old for my card , but in 3D Mark Vantage test I only get around P7450 points , with my CPU at 3,6Ghz

and i know THAT score is way too low for the 4890.


Am i right?
 
Originally posted by: PAPADOC
Ok I will accept that 3D Mark is too old for my card , but in 3D Mark Vantage test I only get around P7450 points , with my CPU at 3,6Ghz

and i know THAT score is way too low for the 4890.


Am i right?
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Yes that's too low.

- Flash your motherboard BIOS to the latest Version
- Enable Turbo Mode (from Standard) in the BIOS
- Disable all energy saving features

Now get WinRAR and run the benchmark tool. I get about 2100 Kb/sec on a 3.4ghz Q6600. This will at least tell us how well your system is optimized.

Make sure you disabled AA/AF in the ATI control panel. Set everything to Defaults.

How are your CPU temperatures? 3.78 on a Q6600 is an unbelievable OC. What's the voltage on that?
 
P7450 is way to low for a 4890. I'm hitting P11050 with my 4870 running 4890's clocks.

Check PCI-E speed with GPU-Z
Check your CPU clocks and GPU clocks are locked with rivatuner
Disable all startup items and non MS services with msconfig

 
Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
P7450 is way to low for a 4890. I'm hitting P11050 with my 4870 running 4890's clocks.

Check PCI-E speed with GPU-Z
Check your CPU clocks and GPU clocks are locked with rivatuner
Disable all startup items and non MS services with msconfig
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Which HD 4870 are you using? I wish I could do the same overclocking with mine, but I can only dream of it, I score P9622 with default tests.

P7450 is just too low for a HD 4890, probably the GPU is throttling back, or the CPU, or high latency timings are used, a driver conflict, that's odd.
 
Originally posted by: evolucion8
Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
P7450 is way to low for a 4890. I'm hitting P11050 with my 4870 running 4890's clocks.

Check PCI-E speed with GPU-Z
Check your CPU clocks and GPU clocks are locked with rivatuner
Disable all startup items and non MS services with msconfig
Click to expand...

Which HD 4870 are you using? I wish to do the same with mine, but I can only dream of it, I score P9622 with default tests.

P7450 is just too low, probably the GPU is throttling back, or the CPU, or high latency timings are used, a driver conflict, that's odd.
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PowerColor 4870 1GB reference card

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/729/vantage4870.jpg">P11050 Vantage
</a>
Yeah it's kind of strange that I get a 10428 GPU score and a stock 4890 is only hitting 10158 with i7 @ 3.75GHz
 
Well I'd enable ati overdrive in the catalyst control center and let auto tune have a shot at ocing the card. I've noticed that in certain benches that it scored lower than the 8800gts 512 sli setup it replaced but in gaming it is way better. I can play crysis at very high settings now as I could only pay high before.
 
Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

PowerColor 4870 1GB reference card

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/729/vantage4870.jpg">P11050 Vantage
</a>
Yeah it's kind of strange that I get a 10428 GPU score and a stock 4890 is only hitting 10158 with i7 @ 3.75GHz
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Interesting, even though my card has a better cooling solution, I can't hit such high overclocks, seems that Powercolor has better Power Circuitry or some dark wizardly hehe. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: PAPADOC
The only reason I bought the card really is to bench it.

The game I play 90% of the time is online chess, and that doesn't required a hd4890



😀
Click to expand...

O man. There's so much fail in this post I am going to bed, maybe in the morning I can stop laughing.
 
Ok the energy savings are off in bios, and in WinRAR I am getting around 2074 Kb/sec.

AA/AF in the ATI control panel are disabled.

My CPU Temp at 3.6Ghz is 60 degrees celcius on the hottest core the other cores run cooler around 58.

The CPU voltage is at 1.52 to 1.536v when benchmarking.

I Checked PCI-E speed with GPU-Z and it is at x16

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So I flashed the Bios to version 13f, and to my Amazement I now get around P8700 points in 3D Mark Vantage WOW, that's around 1200 points more than I got with the 12f bios.

Oh yeah with the new Bios I am hitting 2140 Kb/sec in winRAR.

But the fun ended there my Crysis fps, Far Cry 2 fps and 3D Mark 06 score did NOT change AT ALL !!! 😕

I plugged in a 2nd monitor and confirmed that while I am benchmarking the clocks stay at 850/975 and the CPU also stays at 3.6Ghz.

I Checked PCI-E speed with GPU-Z while benchmarking and it remains at x16.

I even locked the clocks in rivaTuner to 851/976 and still same low scores in Crysis, Far Cry 2 and 3D Mark 06.

So NOW I don't get it the BIOS helped up the Vantage score but nothing else

I will try using enabling "turbo Mode" (from Standard) in the BIOS, tonight but I doubt that will make any difference.

🙁

 
Does GPUz tell you how many shaders and rop's The card has? It should have 800 shaders, and the memory should be 256-bit. Also maybe try the 9.8 drivers if you haven't already.
 
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