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Lost my beer vending job for not selling to a preggo.

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zinfamous said:
Alky is just mad because if it where him, OP would have ruined his bender.

:awe:
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Hardly 'mad' bro...the thing just smacks of blue law crap. This guy is worried about some he knows for a fact is pregnant but has no issue flinging this crap to the masses of the obese at so many games?

It's hardly health he is worried about, he has a selfish agenda that is outside his scope of employment.
 
FDF12389 said:
I've refused service a few times to sober people. It's not predetermined criteria its whoever I do not feel comfortable serving. OP wasn't comfortable server her, it is his right to refuse service. If it were me I would have served her unless she seemed to already have had a few, and if I did refuse I would have simply declined the sale and not said it was because she was pregnant.

He should not have been terminated over this incident, that's for sure.
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Yup, OP made a mistake - if you have the right to refuse service for any reason it's normally best not to be specific, a simple "I'm not serving you" is all you need (maybe different in the US, but that is what I get from your post too).
 
GagHalfrunt said:
They can refuse to serve anyone as long as they have a valid reason. They CANNOT discriminate against an entire class of people who have a legal right to drink and if you're too stupid to understand the difference I think maybe your mommy was chugging down the moonshine while carrying you. A bar or alcohol vendor has a legal right to refuse service to a person that is visibly drunk, that is loud and unruly, that does not meet dress code, etc etc. A bar or alcohol vendor does not have the legal right to refuse service to a person because they're pregnant or because of race or because of religion or because they're in a wheelchair. All you're doing here is proving your ignorance for the world to see it.
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Yes they can, as long as the person isn't (a) of a protected class [being pregnant isn't on the list] and (b) their reason for refusal of service isn't because the person is of the protected class. While your other examples are protected classes, being pregnant is not.

IANAL, but I suppose (assuming the manager had backed up the OP) the woman might have a case. You could argue that since only women can get pregnant, discriminating against those who are pregnant is in effect discriminating against women (gender is a protected class) and that would be illegal. I'm not sure if that would work though, maybe a resident ATOT lawyer can say if that could be grounds for a case?
But as far as I can tell, I could open up a restaurant and refuse to serve investment bankers and it would be completely legal.

waggy said:
meh. seems it worked out corectly. Op refused to sale her beer (his reasons are misguided though. 1-3 beers will not hurt the fetus). She complained to his manager. his manager did not like losing the sale and fired him

i don't see a issue.
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Pretty much this. Whether you agree, disagree, or don't give a shit about OP's actions, I don't think anything illegal happened.
 
I can see why the op was morally opposed to serving a pregnant woman alcohol. I can respect his moral decision. However his manager was in his right to fire him. I personally think he should have gotten a warning, but it was his manager's decision. The reason is that the vendor does not have a policy refusing to serve a pregnant woman alcohol, therefore he is not performing his duty.

This is on the same vein as a pharmacist refusing to give out a birth control or morning after pill. He can be morally opposed, but it's his job to do something and he has to do it. Sorry op, sucks that this happened, but you were in the wrong even if you were in the right.
 
thraashman said:
This is on the same vein as a pharmacist refusing to give out a birth control or morning after pill. He can be morally opposed, but it's his job to do something and he has to do it. Sorry op, sucks that this happened, but you were in the wrong even if you were in the right.
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Totally different. One is valuable medicine the other is some big pharma pill.
 
The OP should really think about the aftermath of trying to go public with this grievance. The first consideration should be his day job. Will his boss appreciate the inevitable arrival of news reporters at his place of employment? What about his wife and/or family? Will he be treated as some sort of beer nazi by the women's rights crowd?

The possibility exists that the media will completely ignore him.
 
thraashman said:
This is on the same vein as a pharmacist refusing to give out a birth control or morning after pill. He can be morally opposed, but it's his job to do something and he has to do it. Sorry op, sucks that this happened, but you were in the wrong even if you were in the right.
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No. Pharmacists are allowed to refuse to dispense birth control and morning after pill (depending on the state)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience_clause_%28medical)
 
OP did the right thing. You made your message clear. However, it wasn't the right place nor time. This woman clearly did not give a shit about her health or her baby's health.

Here is the "make no bones about it"; it's her baby. Just like it's her body to do whatever she wanted.

Even if you did get your message across, you pretty much rewarded her. She got to let off some steam. She got free beer. She got you fired. She can now brag to the rest of her trashy friends about how she "fixed you good".

If someone disregards the very life they created, what makes you think they will care about yours?

So, it's your call from here on out; do you accept the heat you will receive from similar future situations but, do the right thing? Or, do you mind your own business and let the world rot?

Personally, I would let the world rot. The world heads in the direction we want it to. And, if most people want to slip off the edge and send humanity down a road of pain and suffering - so be it.

We were created with the ability to choose after all.
 
On another note, has anyone posted in the job networking thread that there's a position open in Cincinatti? 😛
(Sorry, OP)

Anyway, I second the idea of going back to your employer, apologizing, and asking for your job back. If that doesn't work, then go to the media, PLEASE! I think it would be hilarious to the members on this forum to see what happens when that story hit the press. (Alternatively, go to The Consumerist.)
 
kami333 said:
No. Pharmacists are allowed to refuse to dispense birth control and morning after pill (depending on the state)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience_clause_(medical)
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http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_RPHS.pdf

13 states allow some health care workers to refuse to provide some services related to contraception.

Btw, I think this is politically motivated bullshit. We don't have laws permitting Christian Scientist doctors to refuse to allow blood transfusions.

My stance is that NO health care professional should be allowed to REFUSE any patient or customer ANY legal service.
 
Now that I think about it...

OP, are you absolutely sure she was pregnant? 110%? Maybe she's just fat and got really offended and embarrassed, hence the escalation of the situation.
 
You fvcked up. I know you were thinking about "the baby", and what was best, however, as the beer vendor, that is not supposed to be your concern.

Anyhow, from what I've been able to read, there is NO LINK between FASD and moderate drinking.

In other words, even if she was 9 months, it doesn't fvckin matter if she has a beer or two, it's large quantities, or binging, where the danger lies....
 
Macamus Prime said:
OP did the right thing. You made your message clear. However, it wasn't the right place nor time. This woman clearly did not give a shit about her health or her baby's health.

Here is the "make no bones about it"; it's her baby. Just like it's her body to do whatever she wanted.

Even if you did get your message across, you pretty much rewarded her. She got to let off some steam. She got free beer. She got you fired. She can now brag to the rest of her trashy friends about how she "fixed you good".

If someone disregards the very life they created, what makes you think they will care about yours?

So, it's your call from here on out; do you accept the heat you will receive from similar future situations but, do the right thing? Or, do you mind your own business and let the world rot?

Personally, I would let the world rot. The world heads in the direction we want it to. And, if most people want to slip off the edge and send humanity down a road of pain and suffering - so be it.

We were created with the ability to choose after all.
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If the pregnant woman was just going to have 1 or 2 drinks, that's her business, and, it's never been proven in a medical study that "moderate" consumption of alcohol can or has caused problems.
 
Macamus Prime said:
OP did the right thing. You made your message clear. However, it wasn't the right place nor time. This woman clearly did not give a shit about her health or her baby's health.

Here is the "make no bones about it"; it's her baby. Just like it's her body to do whatever she wanted.

Even if you did get your message across, you pretty much rewarded her. She got to let off some steam. She got free beer. She got you fired. She can now brag to the rest of her trashy friends about how she "fixed you good".

If someone disregards the very life they created, what makes you think they will care about yours?

So, it's your call from here on out; do you accept the heat you will receive from similar future situations but, do the right thing? Or, do you mind your own business and let the world rot?

Personally, I would let the world rot. The world heads in the direction we want it to. And, if most people want to slip off the edge and send humanity down a road of pain and suffering - so be it.

We were created with the ability to choose after all.
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So full of fail.
 
BoomerD said:
Abortion SHOULD remain legal...as should selling alcoholic beverages to a pregnant female.

it's her body...it's her choice.



And you're retarded for thinking that someone should have the choice to refuse to sell a legal product to a person legally allowed to purchase said product.

Fucking "do-gooders" trying to impose their morals on other people.
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And who pays for a FASD baby? Hint, its not the parents. Oh thats right, its the taxpayers.
 
JS80 said:
lol so many armchair MDs on ATOT. Not surprising though...
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and you're a practicing one?

You just said there is a difference between the alcohol in beer and the alcohol in liqour. Alcohol is Alcohol. She wouldn't be fine if she drank 30 beers over the course of an afternoon while only being harmed if she'd picked up a few shots.
 
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