Lost 4x07

[rudder]

Originally posted by: JTsyo
I think it can e safely assumed that more than the 6 are alive. Last season when Jack is talking to Kate he says "we have to go back". I can't imagine that he liked the island so much that he wants to go back. But if the other survivors are still there I can see him wanting to go back. Guess we'll find out why some made it off and some didn't. I can see John, Sawyer, Rose and a few others wanting to stay behind but not Jin and Claire so something must have happened.

Sayid is killing people for Ben who tells Sayid he is doing it to protect his friends. He is not killing to protect the Oceanic 6.

So is Jin going to die next week (based on trailers saying someone will die) or is he not really dead but still on the island? I think the clues were in the heart to heart talk jin and Sun had.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: Minjin
The impression I got is that 8 people were recovered from the Oceanic flight: 6 alive, 2 dead. So the way I'm reading it, Jin is one of the dead ones. The other is the one that Jack visited in the coffin. If it had been Jin in the coffin, Sun would have been there. I don't know how they reconcile the recovered dead and alive people with the fake plane. I'm sure they have something worked out. Maybe they'll say that the fake plane was, after a second count, actually missing 8 people.

That's what I thought too, but the coffin that Jack went to go see is much later in the future. Remember, Jack saw the announcement of that death in the newspaper so it couldn't be one of the 2 that already was dead.

 

[fr]

Ben is off the island and he is not part of the "Oceanic Six" so there can be others that got off the island and are not part of the "Six."

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: fr
Ben is off the island and he is not part of the "Oceanic Six" so there can be others that got off the island and are not part of the "Six."

This has already been established

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: fr
Ben is off the island and he is not part of the "Oceanic Six" so there can be others that got off the island and are not part of the "Six."

he wasn't on the flight, so he wouldn't be part of the six.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii
one thing that's wack about this as a Korean American watching this show.

the "so called Koreans" they got on this show speaking korean are some of the worst I've heard.
The shop owner that sold the panda bears didn't even sound like he spoke Korean properly.
The old guy at the hospital that came out I believe was Chinese.
Jin can't even speak Korean properly.

Sun is the only one that speaks Korean.

Subtitles FTW.

Hint: Its an ENGLISH show.

That's not the point. If they're going to have them speak korean, get some that speak and sound good not someone that sounds like a retard.

Or those actors are actors and people who can actually speak well are not available to the show or just horrible actors. This is a detail nobody but maybe 5% of the watching demographic care about. Yes, I pulled that # out of my @$$.

 

[sandorski]

The casket Jack saw may have been Sayid. Since he's doing the high risk task, I'm thinking he eventually gets whacked and the reason only Jack shows up is that the rest of the survivors were not down with Sayid working for Ben.

Just another thought concerning Jin: I suppose it's possible he ended up returning to a different timeline like whatshisname kept slipping into. Possibly Jin was on another heli trip than Sun that went bad. He possibly returned to the past and is totally unaware of it. If so, there could be a reunion with Sun sometime in a future episode.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The casket Jack saw may have been Sayid. Since he's doing the high risk task, I'm thinking he eventually gets whacked and the reason only Jack shows up is that the rest of the survivors were not down with Sayid working for Ben.

Just another thought concerning Jin: I suppose it's possible he ended up returning to a different timeline like whatshisname kept slipping into. Possibly Jin was on another heli trip than Sun that went bad. He possibly returned to the past and is totally unaware of it. If so, there could be a reunion with Sun sometime in a future episode.

I'm going to have to say no way on both of those scenarios.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: sandorski
The casket Jack saw may have been Sayid. Since he's doing the high risk task, I'm thinking he eventually gets whacked and the reason only Jack shows up is that the rest of the survivors were not down with Sayid working for Ben.

Just another thought concerning Jin: I suppose it's possible he ended up returning to a different timeline like whatshisname kept slipping into. Possibly Jin was on another heli trip than Sun that went bad. He possibly returned to the past and is totally unaware of it. If so, there could be a reunion with Sun sometime in a future episode.

I'm going to have to say no way on both of those scenarios.

I say situation 1 is plausible, situation 2 not really

 

[nageov3t]

wasn't it said in some interview that these flash-forwards are all happening sequentially (ie: jack went to the funeral before kate's trial, hurley was in the mental hospital before he went to see Sun, etc)?

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: sandorski
The casket Jack saw may have been Sayid. Since he's doing the high risk task, I'm thinking he eventually gets whacked and the reason only Jack shows up is that the rest of the survivors were not down with Sayid working for Ben.

Just another thought concerning Jin: I suppose it's possible he ended up returning to a different timeline like whatshisname kept slipping into. Possibly Jin was on another heli trip than Sun that went bad. He possibly returned to the past and is totally unaware of it. If so, there could be a reunion with Sun sometime in a future episode.

I'm going to have to say no way on both of those scenarios.

I say situation 1 is plausible, situation 2 not really

Desmond had troubles with that scenerio because he was exposed to the high amount of electromagnetic energy when the hatch blew up. I don't think Jin was there.

 

[imported_Imp]

Very good episode. I thought it was going to be filler-grade, but the Jin surprise at the end was amazing.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: sandorski
The casket Jack saw may have been Sayid. Since he's doing the high risk task, I'm thinking he eventually gets whacked and the reason only Jack shows up is that the rest of the survivors were not down with Sayid working for Ben.

Just another thought concerning Jin: I suppose it's possible he ended up returning to a different timeline like whatshisname kept slipping into. Possibly Jin was on another heli trip than Sun that went bad. He possibly returned to the past and is totally unaware of it. If so, there could be a reunion with Sun sometime in a future episode.

I'm going to have to say no way on both of those scenarios.

I say situation 1 is plausible, situation 2 not really

Jin's was a flashback, Sun's a flashforward...

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: sandorski
The casket Jack saw may have been Sayid. Since he's doing the high risk task, I'm thinking he eventually gets whacked and the reason only Jack shows up is that the rest of the survivors were not down with Sayid working for Ben.

Just another thought concerning Jin: I suppose it's possible he ended up returning to a different timeline like whatshisname kept slipping into. Possibly Jin was on another heli trip than Sun that went bad. He possibly returned to the past and is totally unaware of it. If so, there could be a reunion with Sun sometime in a future episode.

I'm going to have to say no way on both of those scenarios.

I say situation 1 is plausible, situation 2 not really

Jin's was a flashback, Sun's a flashforward...

I'm aware of the situation. Hence situation 2 not really. Jin/Sun have nothing to do with situation one

 

[WildHorse]

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[WraithETC]

The air plane belonged to a friend of hers, that she accidentally got killed.

 

[techs]

It's interesting that Jin has been the person who has shown the most positive growth as a human being while on the island.
And thats saying a lot since Charlie went from being a drug addict who assaulted Sun to a hero who gave his life for others.

 

[JTsyo]

Originally posted by: loki8481
wasn't it said in some interview that these flash-forwards are all happening sequentially (ie: jack went to the funeral before kate's trial, hurley was in the mental hospital before he went to see Sun, etc)?

That's not true. I think Jack's was the last flash-forward. When he visits Hurley he says he's thinking about growing a bread, which he has in his flash-forward. In all the other ones he seems "together", in his though it seems he's starting to go nuts.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: scott
Did they ever explain why Kate was obsessed with the toy airplane?

Did they ever explain the black / white rocks found on Adam & Eve?

Yes, they did explain why Kate was obsessed with the toy airplane. In the first season. It belonged to her childhood sweetheart/boyfriend/crush thing. When they were children they lived in Iowa. . .or Idaho. . .one of those I think. They made a time capsule out of an old lunch box and buried it under a tree in the middle of a cow field. The toy plane was one of the things her friend put in there. Later (like 20 years I think), when Kate was on the run from the law, she finds out her mom is in the hospital dying of cancer, and so she disguises herself and returns to her home state. While in her home state, she contacts her old childhood friend and they go out late in the night and dig up the time capsule and talk about old times. . .touchy feely moments. . .they kiss. . .blah blah blah. They listen to an old cassette tape in the car tape player that they took from the time capsule on which the two of them talk about running off together some day and stuff I think. . .He gives her the little airplane he had put in the time capsule. The following day I think, she dons her disguise and goes to visit her dying mom in the hospital. It is important to note that her childhood boyfriend now works in this same hospital as a doctor I think. Things do not go quite as planned with Kates visit when her mother is terrified by Kate's presence rather than happy to see her and she ends up having to make a run for it after knocking out a hospital security guard who tries to detain her. As it ends up, she basically finds her old boyfriend in the building and asks him for his car to make her escape. But he refuses to let her go and gets in the car with her trying to talk her into giving herself up. As they are making their getaway in the guy's car (Kate driving) she wrecks, killing her friend. She gets away pretty much unharmed but since she is being chased, she is forced to run away and leave him for dead. She now has the death of the only man she's ever really loved in her life on her conscience. The airplane is the only thing she has to remember him by. (I just finished re-watching season 1 on DVD and now I'm on season 2 again so that's why I remember all this).

As for the Adam and Eve skeletons, no, I don't believe they ever explained the rocks.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii
one thing that's wack about this as a Korean American watching this show.

the "so called Koreans" they got on this show speaking korean are some of the worst I've heard.
The shop owner that sold the panda bears didn't even sound like he spoke Korean properly.
The old guy at the hospital that came out I believe was Chinese.
Jin can't even speak Korean properly.

Sun is the only one that speaks Korean.

Subtitles FTW.

Hint: Its an ENGLISH show.

That's not the point. If they're going to have them speak korean, get some that speak and sound good not someone that sounds like a retard.

Or those actors are actors and people who can actually speak well are not available to the show or just horrible actors. This is a detail nobody but maybe 5% of the watching demographic care about. Yes, I pulled that # out of my @$$.

True. I can see that being annoying and kill the suspension of disbelief though if you actually speak korean. Never thought of that before since I only speak english.

 

[archiloco]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
You are all missing the fact that time on the island is behind time on the outside. I think Jin makes it off the island somehow and then dies.

I don't think that's the case here though. Jin and whatshername were married a lot longer than 2 months before getting on the island. I believe.

I believe thats correct but i dont see the correlation. We know Jin dies at some point. His tombstone was not on the island. Sun had her baby. So we know its a flash forward 100%. The date on the tombstone could be a lie as well. He may die on the island, and when the 6 are rescued hes brought back and buried but with the scandal of the fake plane they say he died on the crash.





Also i believe the captain was referring to that Ben created the fake crash in order to not be found. Not Pennys dad.

Yeah, the scenes off the island with Jin were obviously flashbacks. Also I believe just because there is a tombstone doesn't mean there's an actual body (could be just a monument built for him) so we don't know yet if Jin is considered part of the six. Well in fact the episode itself doesn't mention at all he is one of the six so there is one other I think out there. It's whoever is in that coffin we saw Jack visit a few seasons ago? Sawyer? Locke?

I doubt it was Locke or Sawyer. Both of them seemed pretty dead set on not leaving the island. In a coffin was probably the only way you could get Locke off that island. I'm wondering if it's Rose. . .maybe she leaves the island and her cancer comes back.

nah, the six have already been named. it was probably hurley who was in the casket....

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337
The point is that it is an ENGLISH show. Was this show made for a Korean audience or an ENGLISH one? If you cant separate these two things you have bigger problems than that.

I totally understand it's an english show and it's geared towards americans.
But this is america it's going to have people from different countries etc.... watching this show.
Hell I'm pretty sure a lot of koreans in Korea watch this show as well.
They could've done a better job with casting..... if they were going to have people speaking different languages.

D00d, you cant seriously be this much of an ass. Koreans are less than 0.5% of the population. Do you think that in an ENGLISH speaking country, with an ENGLISH speaking populace, and an ENGLISH speaking casting director that Koreans, <0.5% of the population, should be catered to so that the "koreans" on TV are "authentic?" Fuck man, you have problems. Were you adopted by a wealthy white couple?

i'm late to the party here, but i just wanted to support isekii's POV. it's frustrating when american shows don't vie for authenticity when portraying other cultures (and Lost is hardly the worst offender). it makes us look arrogant as well as ignorant.

it was pretty amusing, however, to see homercles337 flip out with no provocation.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337
The point is that it is an ENGLISH show. Was this show made for a Korean audience or an ENGLISH one? If you cant separate these two things you have bigger problems than that.

I totally understand it's an english show and it's geared towards americans.
But this is america it's going to have people from different countries etc.... watching this show.
Hell I'm pretty sure a lot of koreans in Korea watch this show as well.
They could've done a better job with casting..... if they were going to have people speaking different languages.

D00d, you cant seriously be this much of an ass. Koreans are less than 0.5% of the population. Do you think that in an ENGLISH speaking country, with an ENGLISH speaking populace, and an ENGLISH speaking casting director that Koreans, <0.5% of the population, should be catered to so that the "koreans" on TV are "authentic?" Fuck man, you have problems. Were you adopted by a wealthy white couple?

i'm late to the party here, but i just wanted to support isekii's POV. it's frustrating when american shows don't vie for authenticity when portraying other cultures (and Lost is hardly the worst offender). it makes us look arrogant as well as ignorant.

it was pretty amusing, however, to see homercles337 flip out with no provocation.

I'm also late to the party, but I'd like to point out to homerdouche that Jin learning English is a key theme in his marriage to Sun. It shows how he is growing as a man and as a husband. He was kind of a dick when they first got married. If he was speaking English the whole time well, they couldn't have that as a theme now could they?

 

[Safeway]

There are obviously more than 6 people alive, otherwise, Jack wouldn't have wanted to return to the island to help the remaining LOST.

I do have a question though. We know that there is a time differential on the island. How long have the LOST been on the island from their perspective? How long have they been LOST from Penny's perspective?

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337
The point is that it is an ENGLISH show. Was this show made for a Korean audience or an ENGLISH one? If you cant separate these two things you have bigger problems than that.

I totally understand it's an english show and it's geared towards americans.
But this is america it's going to have people from different countries etc.... watching this show.
Hell I'm pretty sure a lot of koreans in Korea watch this show as well.
They could've done a better job with casting..... if they were going to have people speaking different languages.

D00d, you cant seriously be this much of an ass. Koreans are less than 0.5% of the population. Do you think that in an ENGLISH speaking country, with an ENGLISH speaking populace, and an ENGLISH speaking casting director that Koreans, <0.5% of the population, should be catered to so that the "koreans" on TV are "authentic?" Fuck man, you have problems. Were you adopted by a wealthy white couple?

i'm late to the party here, but i just wanted to support isekii's POV. it's frustrating when american shows don't vie for authenticity when portraying other cultures (and Lost is hardly the worst offender). it makes us look arrogant as well as ignorant.

it was pretty amusing, however, to see homercles337 flip out with no provocation.

I'm also late to the party, but I'd like to point out to homerdouche that Jin learning English is a key theme in his marriage to Sun. It shows how he is growing as a man and as a husband. He was kind of a dick when they first got married. If he was speaking English the whole time well, they couldn't have that as a theme now could they?

I'm also late to the party, but I think it's more amusing how isekii has his panties in a bunch over this. Just enjoy the show guys. You don't hear me complaining over how Sayid's Iraqi dialogue doesn't match his english or that they have an Indian actor playing the part. Who gives a crap? There are more important things to analize/argue over this show than the languages that 95% of viewers don't give a crap about. Besides, they have excellent actors playing the foreign parts so I don't give a sh!t where they're from.