Lost 4x07

[isekii]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii
one thing that's wack about this as a Korean American watching this show.

the "so called Koreans" they got on this show speaking korean are some of the worst I've heard.
The shop owner that sold the panda bears didn't even sound like he spoke Korean properly.
The old guy at the hospital that came out I believe was Chinese.
Jin can't even speak Korean properly.

Sun is the only one that speaks Korean.

Subtitles FTW.

Hint: Its an ENGLISH show.

That's not the point. If they're going to have them speak korean, get some that speak and sound good not someone that sounds like a retard.

The point is that it is an ENGLISH show. Was this show made for a Korean audience or an ENGLISH one? If you cant separate these two things you have bigger problems than that.

I totally understand it's an english show and it's geared towards americans.
But this is america it's going to have people from different countries etc.... watching this show.
Hell I'm pretty sure a lot of koreans in Korea watch this show as well.
They could've done a better job with casting..... if they were going to have people speaking different languages.

D00d, you cant seriously be this much of an ass. Koreans are less than 0.5% of the population. Do you think that in an ENGLISH speaking country, with an ENGLISH speaking populace, and an ENGLISH speaking casting director that Koreans, <0.5% of the population, should be catered to so that the "koreans" on TV are "authentic?" Fuck man, you have problems. Were you adopted by a wealthy white couple?

How am I being an ass...
I'm merely point out some of the flaws and saying how they could've/should've done a better job at casting.
Hell if I knew some different languages such as Spanish or German or whatever else, and they were butchering it up like they are doing it now with some of the other actors I'd be saying the same thing.

You seriously got some issues if you're this upset about me bring up some of the issues with the show.

creativity overrides authenticity - welcome to film making
the casting crew either did not care for authenticity in the first place, which doesn't bother me, it's a fictionalized serial drama. Or, they went the creative direction first and preferred the character acting of the characters they chose. And also, for extras, cheap and effective is better. And who knows, these could very well be people (the extras) that are american-_____ and are rusty on their native language, or were rarely exposed to the language of their ethnicity, or have no relation to the ethnicity they are portraying. Fact remains, authenticity is not the ultimate goal for a fictional tv show.
Come on, you're going to pick apart the languages, of all things? There have been other inconsistencies, or at least apparent inconsistencies (these writers are a tricky bunch, that's for sure... keep taking turns no one expects from time to time and eventually revisit things that actually reference earlier things), throughout the history of the show, as well as some occasional bad acting from the english-speaking actors, and other small things. It's a tv show among all else, the least important hollywood creation, with tv movies and then full hollywood pictures as things that have a higher importance for budget and other things.

picking apart little things is just getting way to judgmental, and if bothers you, you CAN turn the channel. Otherwise, accept it and move on. Enjoy the show.

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I love the show and it's creativity and I totally get what you're saying. (Creativity is very important... It's a major reason why I'm still watching this show). **oh yea I thought you were korean at first when you first responded...**
Also it's not that it bothers me per say. It's just something I'm pointing out that they could've done better at.
I mean I'm allowed to have my own opinion about the show right ?
Without some lunatic like homercles337 jumping down my throat about my critique on certain aspects of the show.

 

[mzkhadir]

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[isekii]

Originally posted by: mzkhadir
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What I don't get is... why was she calling for Jin when she was in labor?
It seemed like she was waiting for him to come before delivering the baby..

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: isekii
I mean I'm allowed to have my own opinion about the show right ?

NO! You will sit on that couch, watch the show with your eyelids peeled back, and enjoy it!

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: mzkhadir
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What I don't get is... why was she calling for Jin when she was in labor?
It seemed like she was waiting for him to come before delivering the baby..

drugs and repressed memories. the mind does what it wants, especially when its fed powerful drugs. Later in the episode, she mentions that the doctor told her she was apparently calling out for Jin, meaning she completely forgot, more evidence it was drug-induced... remember how she kept calling it out repeatedly as she slowly closed her eyes and passed out?

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[Agentbolt]

Really disappointing that Michael ended up being the secret guy on the boat. That's the one guy EVERYONE saw coming.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Really disappointing that Michael ended up being the secret guy on the boat. That's the one guy EVERYONE saw coming.

next week's death... that's where the writers are gonna surprise us.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Really disappointing that Michael ended up being the secret guy on the boat. That's the one guy EVERYONE saw coming.

next week's death... that's where the writers are gonna surprise us.

When is his son coming back on the show.

 

[nageov3t]

I wonder how/if they'll try and explain Walt's growth.

I've watched enough soap operas that I can accept it without blinking an eye, but time doesn't seem that out of sync between the island and the boat.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I wonder how/if they'll try and explain Walt's growth.

I've watched enough soap operas that I can accept it without blinking an eye, but time doesn't seem that out of sync between the island and the boat.

well I remember reading in another thread here, in a candid interview with the writers, they alluded to a notion that time and growth in relation to on and off the island are not as one would imagine... and it was suggested that Aaron, of which one person suggested he appeared to be about 18 months old when shown off the island, does not necessarily mean that a certain amount of time has elapsed just because of growth.
That leads me to believe they plan to bring Walt in- as the giant he has become, in comparison to his old self - at some point in the show and somehow explain his growth.

I'm still waiting for them to talk more about the spontaneous cloning process (from a viral video). At least Ben alluded to that concept with 'did the bunny have a number on it?', and after Locke questioned that, Ben simply shrugged it off. I wonder how much he would actually know about that, considering he gassed all of the DHARMA Initiative (of whom had been carrying out the different experiments).

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[erikistired]

as far as the whole death date, remember during kate's episode the six were the only survivors of the crash, that was their official story (which jack testified to, saying kate was a hero). two others almost made it but died, leaving only the six. so of course, the date of death for anyone else would be the day of the crash.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: isekii
one thing that's wack about this as a Korean American watching this show.

the "so called Koreans" they got on this show speaking korean are some of the worst I've heard.
The shop owner that sold the panda bears didn't even sound like he spoke Korean properly.
The old guy at the hospital that came out I believe was Chinese.
Jin can't even speak Korean properly.

Sun is the only one that speaks Korean.

Subtitles FTW.

Hint: Its an ENGLISH show.

That's not the point. If they're going to have them speak korean, get some that speak and sound good not someone that sounds like a retard.

The point is that it is an ENGLISH show. Was this show made for a Korean audience or an ENGLISH one? If you cant separate these two things you have bigger problems than that.

LEt me guess. You're white huh? Seriously. I've seen my fair share of Asian dramas, and when they have white people on it, they speak perfect English. It's not retarded at least.

Just because you don't care for the Koreaness of the parts, doesn't mean you need to be a total ass. Just because you come from a place where there are 0.5% Korean people, it doesn't mean anything.

 

[ChaoZ]

Nooooooooeeees! Jin's my favorite character.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: destrekor
:shocked:
The writers are a tricky bunch to this show eh? One, they are pulling off some crazy characterization this season, really getting in touch with the 'drama' aspect of the show. Two... holy hell they are tricky with these flash forwards and flashbacks. The whole show I was completely sold that Jin and Sun was still alive and well and she was having a baby. As I'm sure most were.

Anybody think there is any importance to September 22, 2004 in the time line of the show? That was the day of death marked on the tombstone. Usually the show has all these built in clues that most overlook, but are there for the diehards. Anyone got any ideas?

wait - was just reading Lostpedia... September 22, 2004 was the date the plane crashed.
WTH? Is the official story of the six - for what reason though - exactly as Jack described it during that trial?
This is getting even weirder...
and ugh.. so easy to get lost on lostpedia :laugh: so much stuff, and so much information that almost nobody except people who analyze the show pick up on. lol
like people use audio software to determine what all the whispers are saying that you hear a lot in the background. crazy.

Originally posted by: isekii
one thing that's wack about this as a Korean American watching this show.

the "so called Koreans" they got on this show speaking korean are some of the worst I've heard.
The shop owner that sold the panda bears didn't even sound like he spoke Korean properly.
The old guy at the hospital that came out I believe was Chinese.
Jin can't even speak Korean properly.

Sun is the only one that speaks Korean.

The old guy at the hospital was in fact Chinese, because that was all a flashback, and was a Chinese hospital (me thinks?), because Jin was buttering up the Chinese due to company relations.
That's what I got out of it. As far as what language... I can't tell apart the languages or the ethnicities of the characters, or real life people. Sorry.
So I can't be offended, but it's expectable... speaking a language that you naturally don't speak, unless you've practiced for years, tends to be difficult to pull off sounding like a natural speaker.

Originally posted by: mzkhadir
Per Tv Guide's Ausiello, these are the six people that make it off:*o* *a* *** **e **l* **** *i***.

fail. That's 7. Wait.. does anybody have a two part name?
And some of the names revealed don't even fit.

Jack
Hurley
Kate
Aaron
Sayid
Sun

Why the secrecy? And... why do only a few names fit?

Originally posted by: ducci
So Sun called out for Jin, even though he was dead... interesting. That is the 2nd time I can recall someone mistakenly speaks of a dead person as if they were alive.

The other time was the flash-forward with Jack, saying something about his dad - a nurse reminded him he was dead.

This actually brings more proof to my theory that they are altering their pasts to correspond to their new futures due to time travel. These "old" memories are "new" to them, so they are getting confused.

that actually occurs in real life, how often... I dunno. Your memory can sometimes suppress the bad things in life, and when your in an altered state of mind.. you can forget these things, because somethings are so ingrained in your head from normal routine. Remember, Jack was drunk. Sun was in the process of passing out from sedation. She even mentions later in the episode that her doctor told her she had done that... she's supposed to have not remembered doing it personally, because she was drugged.

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I think it was suppose to a Korean hospital. When Jin was buying the Panda, if you looked at all the street and store signs they were in Korean. Even the cab said ?? which means Taxi in Korean.

The nurse or doctor or whatever was there also spoke Korean.

omg who the fuck cares

 

[sandorski]

I was all "WTF Jin!" when it was revealed about the Chinese Ambassador. Then I was all "WTF show!" when he said 2 months.

Overall a good episode, but they really kinda pulled a fast one on us.

 

[Spineshank]

You are all missing the fact that time on the island is behind time on the outside. I think Jin makes it off the island somehow and then dies.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
You are all missing the fact that time on the island is behind time on the outside. I think Jin makes it off the island somehow and then dies.

I don't think that's the case here though. Jin and whatshername were married a lot longer than 2 months before getting on the island. I believe.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
You are all missing the fact that time on the island is behind time on the outside. I think Jin makes it off the island somehow and then dies.

I don't think that's the case here though. Jin and whatshername were married a lot longer than 2 months before getting on the island. I believe.

I believe thats correct but i dont see the correlation. We know Jin dies at some point. His tombstone was not on the island. Sun had her baby. So we know its a flash forward 100%. The date on the tombstone could be a lie as well. He may die on the island, and when the 6 are rescued hes brought back and buried but with the scandal of the fake plane they say he died on the crash.





Also i believe the captain was referring to that Ben created the fake crash in order to not be found. Not Pennys dad.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
You are all missing the fact that time on the island is behind time on the outside. I think Jin makes it off the island somehow and then dies.

I don't think that's the case here though. Jin and whatshername were married a lot longer than 2 months before getting on the island. I believe.

I believe thats correct but i dont see the correlation. We know Jin dies at some point. His tombstone was not on the island. Sun had her baby. So we know its a flash forward 100%. The date on the tombstone could be a lie as well. He may die on the island, and when the 6 are rescued hes brought back and buried but with the scandal of the fake plane they say he died on the crash.





Also i believe the captain was referring to that Ben created the fake crash in order to not be found. Not Pennys dad.

Yeah, the scenes off the island with Jin were obviously flashbacks. Also I believe just because there is a tombstone doesn't mean there's an actual body (could be just a monument built for him) so we don't know yet if Jin is considered part of the six. Well in fact the episode itself doesn't mention at all he is one of the six so there is one other I think out there. It's whoever is in that coffin we saw Jack visit a few seasons ago? Sawyer? Locke?

 

[JTsyo]

I think it can e safely assumed that more than the 6 are alive. Last season when Jack is talking to Kate he says "we have to go back". I can't imagine that he liked the island so much that he wants to go back. But if the other survivors are still there I can see him wanting to go back. Guess we'll find out why some made it off and some didn't. I can see John, Sawyer, Rose and a few others wanting to stay behind but not Jin and Claire so something must have happened.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
You are all missing the fact that time on the island is behind time on the outside. I think Jin makes it off the island somehow and then dies.

I don't think that's the case here though. Jin and whatshername were married a lot longer than 2 months before getting on the island. I believe.

I believe thats correct but i dont see the correlation. We know Jin dies at some point. His tombstone was not on the island. Sun had her baby. So we know its a flash forward 100%. The date on the tombstone could be a lie as well. He may die on the island, and when the 6 are rescued hes brought back and buried but with the scandal of the fake plane they say he died on the crash.





Also i believe the captain was referring to that Ben created the fake crash in order to not be found. Not Pennys dad.

Yeah, the scenes off the island with Jin were obviously flashbacks. Also I believe just because there is a tombstone doesn't mean there's an actual body (could be just a monument built for him) so we don't know yet if Jin is considered part of the six. Well in fact the episode itself doesn't mention at all he is one of the six so there is one other I think out there. It's whoever is in that coffin we saw Jack visit a few seasons ago? Sawyer? Locke?

I doubt it was Locke or Sawyer. Both of them seemed pretty dead set on not leaving the island. In a coffin was probably the only way you could get Locke off that island. I'm wondering if it's Rose. . .maybe she leaves the island and her cancer comes back.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: techs
We still don't know who the Oceanic 6 are.
Without Jin, since the tombstone said 9/22/2004, we are left with only 5 for sure:
Kate, Jack, Hurly, Sayiid, and Sun.
If Aaron is not an Oceanic 6'er we need one more.

Aaron is an Ocean 6 member.

The episode he was discovered to be Kate's child, it was mentioned in commercials beforehand that the fifth member would be revealed.

And it was mentioned before this episode the 6th member would be revealed.

Woah woah woah . . .hang on. . .Aaron is Claire's baby boy, no?? The one born to Claire on the island. . .This is confusing me.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
You are all missing the fact that time on the island is behind time on the outside. I think Jin makes it off the island somehow and then dies.

I don't think that's the case here though. Jin and whatshername were married a lot longer than 2 months before getting on the island. I believe.

I believe thats correct but i dont see the correlation. We know Jin dies at some point. His tombstone was not on the island. Sun had her baby. So we know its a flash forward 100%. The date on the tombstone could be a lie as well. He may die on the island, and when the 6 are rescued hes brought back and buried but with the scandal of the fake plane they say he died on the crash.





Also i believe the captain was referring to that Ben created the fake crash in order to not be found. Not Pennys dad.

Yeah, the scenes off the island with Jin were obviously flashbacks. Also I believe just because there is a tombstone doesn't mean there's an actual body (could be just a monument built for him) so we don't know yet if Jin is considered part of the six. Well in fact the episode itself doesn't mention at all he is one of the six so there is one other I think out there. It's whoever is in that coffin we saw Jack visit a few seasons ago? Sawyer? Locke?

Thats true. But like i said maybe he dies on the island and they fake his death date. Cause remember only 8 survived the crash but 2 died right away.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ducci
So Sun called out for Jin, even though he was dead... interesting. That is the 2nd time I can recall someone mistakenly speaks of a dead person as if they were alive.

The other time was the flash-forward with Jack, saying something about his dad - a nurse reminded him he was dead.

This actually brings more proof to my theory that they are altering their pasts to correspond to their new futures due to time travel. These "old" memories are "new" to them, so they are getting confused.

that actually occurs in real life, how often... I dunno. Your memory can sometimes suppress the bad things in life, and when your in an altered state of mind.. you can forget these things, because somethings are so ingrained in your head from normal routine. Remember, Jack was drunk. Sun was in the process of passing out from sedation. She even mentions later in the episode that her doctor told her she had done that... she's supposed to have not remembered doing it personally, because she was drugged.

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There is a reason these slip-ups are in the show. They aren't simply trying to give emphasis to their chaotic state of mind - especially given the fact that these "slip-ups" have been trends throughout the show.

The 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Aaron, Sayid, Sun.

It is highly likely Jin is dead. I imagine we will find out how he dies very soon (probably next episode as the preview even says someone will die).

I'm not sure how I feel about the date listed on the tombstone. I would say chances are it's as simple as all of the other Oceanic 815 members who didn't make it off the island are declared deceased at or near the time of the crash.

The island as a metaphor for purgatory is getting ridiculous.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ducci
So Sun called out for Jin, even though he was dead... interesting. That is the 2nd time I can recall someone mistakenly speaks of a dead person as if they were alive.

The other time was the flash-forward with Jack, saying something about his dad - a nurse reminded him he was dead.

This actually brings more proof to my theory that they are altering their pasts to correspond to their new futures due to time travel. These "old" memories are "new" to them, so they are getting confused.

that actually occurs in real life, how often... I dunno. Your memory can sometimes suppress the bad things in life, and when your in an altered state of mind.. you can forget these things, because somethings are so ingrained in your head from normal routine. Remember, Jack was drunk. Sun was in the process of passing out from sedation. She even mentions later in the episode that her doctor told her she had done that... she's supposed to have not remembered doing it personally, because she was drugged.

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There is a reason these slip-ups are in the show. They aren't simply trying to give emphasis to their chaotic state of mind - especially given the fact that these "slip-ups" have been trends throughout the show.

The 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Aaron, Sayid, Sun.

It is highly likely Jin is dead. I imagine we will find out how he dies very soon (probably next episode as the preview even says someone will die).

I'm not sure how I feel about the date listed on the tombstone. I would say chances are it's as simple as all of the other Oceanic 815 members who didn't make it off the island are declared deceased at or near the time of the crash.

The island as a metaphor for purgatory is getting ridiculous.

well the thing is, since time on the island may be different than time in the real world, if Jin dies on the island, they probably have no clue what the actual true date is when he dies.

so maybe they just put the last date they can legitimately remember when Jin was alive.

i dunno just a thought.

 

[Minjin]

The impression I got is that 8 people were recovered from the Oceanic flight: 6 alive, 2 dead. So the way I'm reading it, Jin is one of the dead ones. The other is the one that Jack visited in the coffin. If it had been Jin in the coffin, Sun would have been there. I don't know how they reconcile the recovered dead and alive people with the fake plane. I'm sure they have something worked out. Maybe they'll say that the fake plane was, after a second count, actually missing 8 people.