LOST 4x05

[Ns1]

Do you remember when Ben and Locke were in the shack in a prior season where Jacob was supposedly in there too but all we saw was an empty chair?. . . I think maybe it was the same episode where Ben shot Locke and left him for dead in the mass grave full of the skeletons of all the former members of the Dharma project. In that shack, Locke HEARD Jacob speak. If you recall, what he heard Jacob say was "Help me." Now. . .in last nights episode we meet a guy named Jacob right? He's in bad shape, being drugged, and strapped down to a table. His consciousness is jumping around in time and he's scared and confused. If this guy wouldn't be saying something like "Help me" then who would?

Interesting. Very interesting....Yeah I remember that episode. Man I want to go pick up all the lost dvd's now.

 

[sandorski]

brain splosion!

Interesting ideas guys.

 

[ahurtt]

Now what we've got to figure out is why the island and Locke seem to have such a close tie and why Locke could hear Jacob in that shack but the island seems indifferent to Ben and Ben did not hear Jacob's plea for help.

 

[erikistired]

that guy said he was on a ferris wheel tho.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Now what we've got to figure out is why the island and Locke seem to have such a close tie and why Locke could hear Jacob in that shack but the island seems indifferent to Ben and Ben did not hear Jacob's plea for help.

So how are we explaining Locke's ability to walk?

 

[UpgradeFailure]

Now. . .in last nights episode we meet a guy named Jacob right? He's in bad shape, being drugged, and strapped down to a table. His consciousness is jumping around in time and he's scared and confused. If this guy wouldn't be saying something like "Help me" then who would?

The guy in the boat was George, Not Jacob. George McKowski (Not sure how it's spelled)

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: MrLee

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ahurtt
That was one of the most revealing and enlightening episodes in a very LONG time. So many things started to fall into place.

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

As for Ben's spy on the boat, why couldn't it be Sayid? Was it not Ben who was shown patching up Sayid after he was shot at the end of the prior episode?

Now it is starting to become more clear what might really have happened when the castaways failed to press the button in the hatch and the device blew. Probably that device was keeping some sort of temporal distortion emanating from the island in check. Maybe since the device blew, that temporal distortion/variance between the island and the rest of the world is growing. I dunno. . .but whatever. . .that was an awesome episode. I was riveted to my seat.

wait wait wait

so the jacob on the island is the same guy who was on the ship who had the brain anyeurism?(sp?)

Yeah I don't think they are the same person. I'd also like to see how they plan to tie in Jack's father and Locke's father showing up on the island - Jacks dad in the cabin and Locke's dad in Ben's hold.

ahurtt I wouldn't rule out Sayid as Ben's contact on the boat, but you might want to remember that Ben said that well before Sayid was ever on the boat. Also, the person on the inside is most likely the same person that left the door open for Sayid and Desmond so they could get to the com, room.

I realize that not only did Ben claim to have a spy on the boat well before Sayid ever actually went to the boat. But now we know that we're dealing with time anomolies. Anything is possible. It could be that Sayid was Ben's spy but was himself as yet unaware of it. In fact, now that we're dealing with temporal anomolies, I wouldn't rule out Sayid himself being the one who left the door open for . . .himself. All we know is that at some point in the future, after Sayid is shot by the girl, it is Ben who patches him up, right? (Or was that in the past) Ben said he had a spy on the boat, now Sayid is on the boat.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure

Now. . .in last nights episode we meet a guy named Jacob right? He's in bad shape, being drugged, and strapped down to a table. His consciousness is jumping around in time and he's scared and confused. If this guy wouldn't be saying something like "Help me" then who would?

The guy in the boat was George, Not Jacob. George McKowski (Not sure how it's spelled)

Crap. Back to the drawing board.
I thought it was Jacob because somebody in an earlier post had mentioned that the guy on the boat's name was Jacob. Should've verified my facts.

 

[Noobtastic]

great ep

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Now what we've got to figure out is why the island and Locke seem to have such a close tie and why Locke could hear Jacob in that shack but the island seems indifferent to Ben and Ben did not hear Jacob's plea for help.

So how are we explaining Locke's ability to walk?

Still a mystery to me. I hope the go more into Locke and the baby Aaron's story next.

 

[rudder]

Yes awesome episode indeed. But I think next weeks trailers had me asking the questions. When Naomi's team was put together it was obvious the 4 people with her picked for their specific skills and not really part of the battle between these two groups (Ben's group and the group behind the ship). Or did I miss something?

Look back a couple of episodes when Ben is working on Sayid he asks Sayid if want to continue to "protect" his friends. I assume that meant the other 815 survivors left on the island. The trailer for next week looked like a showdown after Faraday and the redhead lady start to initiate some process.

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: coinz

Originally posted by: mzkhadir
'Lost': Mind-Blowing Scoop From Its Producers =EW.com

well that was interesting

Read the link to understand what the character names have to do with the people.

 

[lyssword]

Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

 

[Mr Pickles]

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

I don't think so. He had to have mentioned his name, or if they didnt then its to be assumed that he did. Or it could have just been a mistake.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: MrLee

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

I don't think so. He had to have mentioned his name, or if they didnt then its to be assumed that he did. Or it could have just been a mistake.

I assumed he remembered everything, as evidenced by the quote "i've been stuck on an island for (whatever period)" during his conversation with penny. I think that conversation implied that Desmond remembered everything.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: MrLee

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

I don't think so. He had to have mentioned his name, or if they didnt then its to be assumed that he did. Or it could have just been a mistake.

I assumed he remembered everything, as evidenced by the quote "i've been stuck on an island for (whatever period)" during his conversation with penny. I think that conversation implied that Desmond remembered everything.

Yep, I checked the avi of the episode and sayid never said his name (to Desmond). And yes he says "im on a boat I've been on an Island" at which point Sayid looks surprised.

 

[Mr Pickles]

Then I don't get it. I don't understand what that has to do with anything.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: MrLee
Then I don't get it. I don't understand what that has to do with anything.

I take it to mean that as soon as you can reference something in both timelines (your constant), you suddenly become aware of everything that has transpired in between. Until then, you're just lost somewhere in between.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

If by "he" you mean Desmond, yes that is a good point and I think I have a possible explanation about why that was. We already knew that something was up with Desmond even before he got on the chopper to fly out to the boat. He had demonstrated that he knew stuff that was going to happen which was how he was able to save Charlie's life so many times. The working theory is that he is caught in an iterative loop of some kind or some how the island has affected him in such a way as to give him a sort of "omniscient" quality. Whatever it is that has happened to him, it made him susceptible and vulnerable to whatever happened to him when they chopper was flying through that "storm" on it's way back to the ship. The others on the chopper were not affected because whatever happened to Desmond that made him vulnerable never happened to them. Whatever it was that happened to him, that storm split Desmond's psyche. He now lived in two different times simultaneously and his two selves were not aware of one another. He needed to find a way to rejoin his past self with his present self and make his psyche whole again. His personal timeline continuity was broken. . .split in two. That's where the constant comes in. He needed something or someone who he knew during both times that his consciousness was alternating between. The constant was the instrument by which he could restore the continuity of his own personal timeline and save his own life. That constant was Penny.

My guess is that the storm they crossed is a temporal "front" if you will. And that ever since the button didn't get pushed and there was that electromagnetic "explosion" it has been moving slowly outward like a shockwave emanating from the island. The further it moves outward, the further out sync the timeline of everything inside the shockwave's radius gets with everything still outside of it. If not stopped somehow, eventually this temporal shockwave will expand and cover the entire globe. But that's just pure speculation on my part. I cannot, of course, substantiate any of this.

But what made Desmond susceptible to the effects the storm caused in him?

 

[bigrash]

Anyone else thought that Desmond was going to die in the end of the episode?

 

[PimpJuice]

Originally posted by: bigrash
Anyone else thought that Desmond was going to die in the end of the episode?

Yeah, that Penny biznatch sure did take her time answering that phone!

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

If by "he" you mean Desmond, yes that is a good point and I think I have a possible explanation about why that was. We already knew that something was up with Desmond even before he got on the chopper to fly out to the boat. He had demonstrated that he knew stuff that was going to happen which was how he was able to save Charlie's life so many times. The working theory is that he is caught in an iterative loop of some kind or some how the island has affected him in such a way as to give him a sort of "omniscient" quality. Whatever it is that has happened to him, it made him susceptible and vulnerable to whatever happened to him when they chopper was flying through that "storm" on it's way back to the ship. The others on the chopper were not affected because whatever happened to Desmond that made him vulnerable never happened to them. Whatever it was that happened to him, that storm split Desmond's psyche. He now lived in two different times simultaneously and his two selves were not aware of one another. He needed to find a way to rejoin his past self with his present self and make his psyche whole again. His personal timeline continuity was broken. . .split in two. That's where the constant comes in. He needed something or someone who he knew during both times that his consciousness was alternating between. The constant was the instrument by which he could restore the continuity of his own personal timeline and save his own life. That constant was Penny.

My guess is that the storm they crossed is a temporal "front" if you will. And that ever since the button didn't get pushed and there was that electromagnetic "explosion" it has been moving slowly outward like a shockwave emanating from the island. The further it moves outward, the further out sync the timeline of everything inside the shockwave's radius gets with everything still outside of it. If not stopped somehow, eventually this temporal shockwave will expand and cover the entire globe. But that's just pure speculation on my part. I cannot, of course, substantiate any of this.

But what made Desmond susceptible to the effects the storm caused in him?

what made him susceptible was the electromagnetic field he was exposed to when he was in the hatch.

have you watched the 'orientation' video for The Orchid?
if not, in combination with the lasting effects from 4x05... prepare to have your mind blown.

they are really starting to get into the properties of the island, bout damned time. The writers are honing down on their story lines due to the series having a dated finale in 2 more seasons after this one. So now they know what they need to include in each episode. I have a feeling these last 2.5 seasons are going to be the strongest seasons of the series, and there probably won't be a 'weak' episode ever again (like the first half of Season 3).

this whole electromagnetic field thing... I KNEW it was going to be brought up again. They presented it in the Season 2 finale I believe (and possibly an earlier episode in the season, with something being pinned to a wall due to the electromagnetic field. that actually may have been the season 2 finale as well, having trouble remembering... been awhile).
That field is extremely important to Desmond's character and is going to be a major point of the character of the island itself.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

If by "he" you mean Desmond, yes that is a good point and I think I have a possible explanation about why that was. We already knew that something was up with Desmond even before he got on the chopper to fly out to the boat. He had demonstrated that he knew stuff that was going to happen which was how he was able to save Charlie's life so many times. The working theory is that he is caught in an iterative loop of some kind or some how the island has affected him in such a way as to give him a sort of "omniscient" quality. Whatever it is that has happened to him, it made him susceptible and vulnerable to whatever happened to him when they chopper was flying through that "storm" on it's way back to the ship. The others on the chopper were not affected because whatever happened to Desmond that made him vulnerable never happened to them. Whatever it was that happened to him, that storm split Desmond's psyche. He now lived in two different times simultaneously and his two selves were not aware of one another. He needed to find a way to rejoin his past self with his present self and make his psyche whole again. His personal timeline continuity was broken. . .split in two. That's where the constant comes in. He needed something or someone who he knew during both times that his consciousness was alternating between. The constant was the instrument by which he could restore the continuity of his own personal timeline and save his own life. That constant was Penny.

My guess is that the storm they crossed is a temporal "front" if you will. And that ever since the button didn't get pushed and there was that electromagnetic "explosion" it has been moving slowly outward like a shockwave emanating from the island. The further it moves outward, the further out sync the timeline of everything inside the shockwave's radius gets with everything still outside of it. If not stopped somehow, eventually this temporal shockwave will expand and cover the entire globe. But that's just pure speculation on my part. I cannot, of course, substantiate any of this.

But what made Desmond susceptible to the effects the storm caused in him?

what made him susceptible was the electromagnetic field he was exposed to when he was in the hatch.

have you watched the 'orientation' video for The Orchid?
if not, in combination with the lasting effects from 4x05... prepare to have your mind blown.

they are really starting to get into the properties of the island, bout damned time. The writers are honing down on their story lines due to the series having a dated finale in 2 more seasons after this one. So now they know what they need to include in each episode. I have a feeling these last 2.5 seasons are going to be the strongest seasons of the series, and there probably won't be a 'weak' episode ever again (like the first half of Season 3).

this whole electromagnetic field thing... I KNEW it was going to be brought up again. They presented it in the Season 2 finale I believe (and possibly an earlier episode in the season, with something being pinned to a wall due to the electromagnetic field. that actually may have been the season 2 finale as well, having trouble remembering... been awhile).
That field is extremely important to Desmond's character and is going to be a major point of the character of the island itself.

thx, gonna watch that again when i get back

goddamn i love this show

this whole electromagnetic field thing... I KNEW it was going to be brought up again. They presented it in the Season 2 finale I believe (and possibly an earlier episode in the season, with something being pinned to a wall due to the electromagnetic field. that actually may have been the season 2 finale as well, having trouble remembering... been awhile).
That field is extremely important to Desmond's character and is going to be a major point of the character of the island itself.

one of the finales i believe, preface to the hatch blowing up. where the safety switch is, is electromagnetized. hence the key on (somebody's) chain kept gravitating towards something

 

[Minjin]

On a less interesting note, wasn't Desmond in military prison? I wonder if its because he went AWOL (during the "retrieve the phone number mission"). This show really does integrate every little detail.

 

[JohnCU]

shoulda named the guy tesla instead of faraday, tesla did crazier stuff