LOST 4x05

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Minjin
On a less interesting note, wasn't Desmond in military prison? I wonder if its because he went AWOL (during the "retrieve the phone number mission"). This show really does integrate every little detail.

well he supposedly had 2 day leave/weekend pass when he went to retrieve the number. But maybe that all ended up taking more than 2 days. Who knows.
I can't remember if he ever was in military prison.
The show has presented so many details... that while they eventually connect basically every little detail... sometimes it so much, especially over the time the show has been running... that my mind can't always remember it all.

 

[lyssword]

one of the finales i believe, preface to the hatch blowing up. where the safety switch is, is electromagnetized. hence the key on (somebody's) chain kept gravitating towards something

lol it wasn't just the key, the whole place was up in storm, even big steel objects like refridgerators went flying

 

[50cent1228]

wooohoooo lost

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: lyssword

one of the finales i believe, preface to the hatch blowing up. where the safety switch is, is electromagnetized. hence the key on (somebody's) chain kept gravitating towards something

lol it wasn't just the key, the whole place was up in storm, even big steel objects like refridgerators went flying

yeah but that's AFTER shit went crazy

before, it was just the key

 

[iamme]

one of the best episodes of the season. the time hopping gave the episode a nerve racking pace, and the finish awesome.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

If by "he" you mean Desmond, yes that is a good point and I think I have a possible explanation about why that was. We already knew that something was up with Desmond even before he got on the chopper to fly out to the boat. He had demonstrated that he knew stuff that was going to happen which was how he was able to save Charlie's life so many times. The working theory is that he is caught in an iterative loop of some kind or some how the island has affected him in such a way as to give him a sort of "omniscient" quality. Whatever it is that has happened to him, it made him susceptible and vulnerable to whatever happened to him when they chopper was flying through that "storm" on it's way back to the ship. The others on the chopper were not affected because whatever happened to Desmond that made him vulnerable never happened to them. Whatever it was that happened to him, that storm split Desmond's psyche. He now lived in two different times simultaneously and his two selves were not aware of one another. He needed to find a way to rejoin his past self with his present self and make his psyche whole again. His personal timeline continuity was broken. . .split in two. That's where the constant comes in. He needed something or someone who he knew during both times that his consciousness was alternating between. The constant was the instrument by which he could restore the continuity of his own personal timeline and save his own life. That constant was Penny.

My guess is that the storm they crossed is a temporal "front" if you will. And that ever since the button didn't get pushed and there was that electromagnetic "explosion" it has been moving slowly outward like a shockwave emanating from the island. The further it moves outward, the further out sync the timeline of everything inside the shockwave's radius gets with everything still outside of it. If not stopped somehow, eventually this temporal shockwave will expand and cover the entire globe. But that's just pure speculation on my part. I cannot, of course, substantiate any of this.

But what made Desmond susceptible to the effects the storm caused in him?

what made him susceptible was the electromagnetic field he was exposed to when he was in the hatch.

have you watched the 'orientation' video for The Orchid?
if not, in combination with the lasting effects from 4x05... prepare to have your mind blown.

they are really starting to get into the properties of the island, bout damned time. The writers are honing down on their story lines due to the series having a dated finale in 2 more seasons after this one. So now they know what they need to include in each episode. I have a feeling these last 2.5 seasons are going to be the strongest seasons of the series, and there probably won't be a 'weak' episode ever again (like the first half of Season 3).

this whole electromagnetic field thing... I KNEW it was going to be brought up again. They presented it in the Season 2 finale I believe (and possibly an earlier episode in the season, with something being pinned to a wall due to the electromagnetic field. that actually may have been the season 2 finale as well, having trouble remembering... been awhile).
That field is extremely important to Desmond's character and is going to be a major point of the character of the island itself.

hooooly shit wtf. was that video ever shown in the episodes?

 

[Kev]

I do not think that time on the island moves slower than in the real world. Many reasons: the calendar, the 3 years penny spent looking for desmond... Instead, I think there is a time barrier that slows time down as you pass through it.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: lyssword
Excellent episode! Also one more thing, it looks like once he "connected" he can remember everything? Sayid never told him his name in this episode, but after he talked on the phone he smiled and said " thank you, Sayid " as if he knew him.

If by "he" you mean Desmond, yes that is a good point and I think I have a possible explanation about why that was. We already knew that something was up with Desmond even before he got on the chopper to fly out to the boat. He had demonstrated that he knew stuff that was going to happen which was how he was able to save Charlie's life so many times. The working theory is that he is caught in an iterative loop of some kind or some how the island has affected him in such a way as to give him a sort of "omniscient" quality. Whatever it is that has happened to him, it made him susceptible and vulnerable to whatever happened to him when they chopper was flying through that "storm" on it's way back to the ship. The others on the chopper were not affected because whatever happened to Desmond that made him vulnerable never happened to them. Whatever it was that happened to him, that storm split Desmond's psyche. He now lived in two different times simultaneously and his two selves were not aware of one another. He needed to find a way to rejoin his past self with his present self and make his psyche whole again. His personal timeline continuity was broken. . .split in two. That's where the constant comes in. He needed something or someone who he knew during both times that his consciousness was alternating between. The constant was the instrument by which he could restore the continuity of his own personal timeline and save his own life. That constant was Penny.

My guess is that the storm they crossed is a temporal "front" if you will. And that ever since the button didn't get pushed and there was that electromagnetic "explosion" it has been moving slowly outward like a shockwave emanating from the island. The further it moves outward, the further out sync the timeline of everything inside the shockwave's radius gets with everything still outside of it. If not stopped somehow, eventually this temporal shockwave will expand and cover the entire globe. But that's just pure speculation on my part. I cannot, of course, substantiate any of this.

But what made Desmond susceptible to the effects the storm caused in him?

what made him susceptible was the electromagnetic field he was exposed to when he was in the hatch.

have you watched the 'orientation' video for The Orchid?
if not, in combination with the lasting effects from 4x05... prepare to have your mind blown.

they are really starting to get into the properties of the island, bout damned time. The writers are honing down on their story lines due to the series having a dated finale in 2 more seasons after this one. So now they know what they need to include in each episode. I have a feeling these last 2.5 seasons are going to be the strongest seasons of the series, and there probably won't be a 'weak' episode ever again (like the first half of Season 3).

this whole electromagnetic field thing... I KNEW it was going to be brought up again. They presented it in the Season 2 finale I believe (and possibly an earlier episode in the season, with something being pinned to a wall due to the electromagnetic field. that actually may have been the season 2 finale as well, having trouble remembering... been awhile).
That field is extremely important to Desmond's character and is going to be a major point of the character of the island itself.

hooooly shit wtf. was that video ever shown in the episodes?

no. but supposedly it may be shown in an episode this year. I wonder how they would present it, since it's obviously not a video DHARMA would have shown to those who were going to work for them, it's not edited enough and quite raw, revealing more than an Orientation video should. Big one is that it's showing he isn't a real doctor, and just an actor paid by DHARMA, or is actually working for DHARMA but isn't anything like what he's acting like.
i hope they show it this season, but that fact, tied with this 'time-traveling' split-consciousness fact, and a body-duplication could all tie into how a polar bear fossil was found with a DHARMA artifact.
This season is going to get even more interesting. Looking forward to the rest of it.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Kev
I do not think that time on the island moves slower than in the real world. Many reasons: the calendar, the 3 years penny spent looking for desmond... Instead, I think there is a time barrier that slows time down as you pass through it.

i don't think anyone is suggesting time moves slower... what is supposed to happen is the island and the rest of the world are on two different 'time-fields' for lack of a better word. So it has to cross that barrier, and from both sides things seem to cross fine, but the island is shifted from the normal plane.
I have no other way to describe it. But time marches on at the same pace, just there is a gap and the island is behind. Or forward. Or whatever the hell it wants. Such as, the people on the island experienced a day in the time the helicopter departed and landed? And Sayid made note of that, by asking about how it was approaching night when they left and was daytime when they landed.

 

[rockyct]

I just watched the episode and I loved it. Desmond episodes are always great. I'm really glad that all the episodes have been pretty good this season.

 

[n7]

:thumbsup:



Show's been a lot better this season indeed.

 

[FreshPrince]

I believe the Island and the rest of the world are in two different time zones. This gap was huge when the gang was still pushing the button, but since it blew up, the time zones are closing in because the mag. field is expanding, therefore bringing the rest of the world to the same time as the island. Eventually, this field will encompass the entire globe, causing the whole world be be "lost"

this was apparent - before the 4 ventured to seek out the losties, they were already on the island, but in the future. you see one of the ladies dig up a dharma sign in the ground, that's the island. they were already on the island, they just were in the present time zone. they then flew into the mag. field, and entered the "lost" island/time zone.

 

[WildHorse]

What did it mean near the end?
Desmond's nose was bleeding, giving us a visual cue that he would likely soon die since that other bloody nose guy died.

But right after his telecon with Penny they close-upped his face, bloody nose completely gone without a trace, no more blood.

So did that mean the phone conversation somehow changed Desmond's future from death to life?

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: scott
What did it mean near the end?
Desmond's nose was bleeding, giving us a visual cue that he would likely soon die since that other bloody nose guy died.

But right after his telecon with Penny they close-upped his face, bloody nose completely gone without a trace, no more blood.

So did that mean the phone conversation somehow changed Desmond's future from death to life?

Yes, at least, this is what I believe.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: scott
What did it mean near the end?
Desmond's nose was bleeding, giving us a visual cue that he would likely soon die since that other bloody nose guy died.

But right after his telecon with Penny they close-upped his face, bloody nose completely gone without a trace, no more blood.

So did that mean the phone conversation somehow changed Desmond's future from death to life?

He needed to have a "constant" in both times to serve as a mind anchor, or something like that.

Also, I don't believe the island is on a different time zone. They have been able to talk to the freighter multiple times without a hour lag. The problem is when something passes through the barrier that time is slowed down. Also, the faster an object goes, the less time dilation.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: scott
What did it mean near the end?
Desmond's nose was bleeding, giving us a visual cue that he would likely soon die since that other bloody nose guy died.

But right after his telecon with Penny they close-upped his face, bloody nose completely gone without a trace, no more blood.

So did that mean the phone conversation somehow changed Desmond's future from death to life?

He needed to have a "constant" in both times to serve as a mind anchor, or something like that.

Also, I don't believe the island is on a different time zone. They have been able to talk to the freighter multiple times without a hour lag. The problem is when something passes through the barrier that time is slowed down. Also, the faster an object goes, the less time dilation.

Could it be spped of light- type travel issue?

As if the "Lost island" in not actually on earth, but another planet whose original inhabitants were humanoid yet had only 4 toes?

This was my thinking when we saw the rocket from the ship to island had less time elapse for it's journey than that measured from the perspective of those on the island.

But the variance in time dilation (rocket, radio waves, helicopter trip) leaves me puzzled. Perhaps the variance is related to the mass of the object traveling through the field, not just it's velocity?

If letting the hatch blow affects the field, it may be that's why no one could ever return (as the field gradually expands it is weakend to the point it's ineffective), nor leave. The eventual collapse of the field would basically be the end of the show.

Fern

 

[techs]

FYI to all you Losties. I just listened to the new Carlton Cuse/Damon Lindeloff podcast.
Here's what's important to know:
Desmond, nor anyone else can change the future when their consciousness goes back into the past. They said they want people to know that unlike Heroes, you can count on what you see in the flash forwards as being absolute and that it WILL happen.
Also, they did not mean to play "cute" with who the Oceanic 6 are. We will find out very soon and in no uncertain terms who they are.


The rest is SPOILERISH:

























We will know by last episode before the break who the Oceanic 6 are. That means by episode 7 (2 more episodes).

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: scott
What did it mean near the end?
Desmond's nose was bleeding, giving us a visual cue that he would likely soon die since that other bloody nose guy died.

But right after his telecon with Penny they close-upped his face, bloody nose completely gone without a trace, no more blood.

So did that mean the phone conversation somehow changed Desmond's future from death to life?

He needed to have a "constant" in both times to serve as a mind anchor, or something like that.

Also, I don't believe the island is on a different time zone. They have been able to talk to the freighter multiple times without a hour lag. The problem is when something passes through the barrier that time is slowed down. Also, the faster an object goes, the less time dilation.

Could it be spped of light- type travel issue?

As if the "Lost island" in not actually on earth, but another planet whose original inhabitants were humanoid yet had only 4 toes?

This was my thinking when we saw the rocket from the ship to island had less time elapse for it's journey than that measured from the perspective of those on the island.

But the variance in time dilation (rocket, radio waves, helicopter trip) leaves me puzzled. Perhaps the variance is related to the mass of the object traveling through the field, not just it's velocity?

If letting the hatch blow affects the field, it may be that's why no one could ever return (as the field gradually expands it is weakend to the point it's ineffective), nor leave. The eventual collapse of the field would basically be the end of the show.

Fern

Yes, it may have something to do with mass. Radio signals could not reach the island, but only until when Charlie turned of the radio jamer.

Perhaps the barrier is a strong magnetic field that is able to curve space-time. The hatch was then used to sort of poke a hole in the barrier.

I do think the island is on earth though. I don't think the writers would make the real "others" aliens. I think they have something to do with the Black Rock.

 

[Minjin]

For those of you who have downloaded the episode, go look at what Faraday has written on the chalk board. Also, take a close look at what is in his notebook (you can see a few pages if you pause correctly). There are some interesting calculations related to real life time-space theories.

 

[SpanishFry]

that sequence at the end between desmond and penelope was very powerful.

 

[meltdown75]

just watched it. i cried at the end. that was one of the best shows i've ever watched. no matter what happens from now on, i will love Lost forever.

plus, now everyone can say, "this one dude on a tech forum actually cried at the end during the phone call".

 

[JEDI]

wtf? sayid could call anyone in the world, and he gives that opportunity to desmond to call his ex-gf?

WTF?!