LOST 4x05

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i guess i need to rewatch the episode because i thought it was bad and didn't really make any sense. it seems like everyone else who watched it is saying that they thought it explained a lot although I was just after it pretty much.

"how long you think they've been gone isn't necessarily how long they've been gone..."

fuck that line killed me. need to know more. ASAP.

 

[KeithTalent]

Great show last night. It is episodes like this that make me sad the show only has 8 left.

KT

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: MrLee
Best Episode EVAR. We learned so much. Here's one thing I found wierd about it though. The conciousness switching from one point in time to another is understandable. It can only be in one place at one time and that's how it was all the way up until the phone call with Penny. But then we see Desmond get the number, switch to 2004, make the phone call, and as he makes the phone call we see 1996 Desmond walking away from Penny's house in slow motion with a smile on his face as if he knew that it worked. I think that was a mistake on their behalf... just pointing it out.

Also, the nose bleeding and convulsing thing. If desmond dies in 2004 will he be alive in 1996 still?

man what is this, the matrix? lol

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Great show last night. It is episodes like this that make me sad the show only has 8 left.

KT

What? This is the last season? I thought there was 1 more...

According to Wikipedia...

In May 2007, it was announced that Lost would continue for its fourth, fifth, and sixth seasons, concluding with the 117th produced episode in May 2010.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Great show last night. It is episodes like this that make me sad the show only has 8 left.

KT

What? This is the last season? I thought there was 1 more...

I thought they were ending it, but I cannot find confirmation anywhere so I may be wrong.

KT

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i guess i need to rewatch the episode because i thought it was bad and didn't really make any sense. it seems like everyone else who watched it is saying that they thought it explained a lot although I was just after it pretty much.

"how long you think they've been gone isn't necessarily how long they've been gone..."

fuck that line killed me. need to know more. ASAP.

time goes by slower on the island? if that theory's true, then oceanic 815 survivors have not been missing for XX days, but only X days. But then again, Desmond said back in one of the previous seasons that he's been pushing that switch for 3 yrs...so he's been on the island for 3 yrs. And in this episode, Penny just said she's been looking for Desmond for 3 yrs. So that doesnt work...

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: binister

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Great show last night. It is episodes like this that make me sad the show only has 8 left.

KT

What? This is the last season? I thought there was 1 more...

I thought they were ending it, but I cannot find confirmation anywhere so I may be wrong.

KT

from what i read back in summer '07, they were planning three more seasons of 16 episodes each for a total of 48 episodes. They might have changed their plans though

 

[fr]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i guess i need to rewatch the episode because i thought it was bad and didn't really make any sense. it seems like everyone else who watched it is saying that they thought it explained a lot although I was just after it pretty much.

"how long you think they've been gone isn't necessarily how long they've been gone..."

fuck that line killed me. need to know more. ASAP.

time goes by faster on the island? if that theory's true, then oceanic 815 survivors have not been missing for XX days, but only X days. But then again, Desmond said back in one of the previous seasons that he's been pushing that switch for 3 yrs...so he's been on the island for 3 yrs. And in this episode, Penny just said she's been looking for Desmond for 3 yrs. So that doesnt work...

Good observation.

Great episode :thumbsup:

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: fr

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i guess i need to rewatch the episode because i thought it was bad and didn't really make any sense. it seems like everyone else who watched it is saying that they thought it explained a lot although I was just after it pretty much.

"how long you think they've been gone isn't necessarily how long they've been gone..."

fuck that line killed me. need to know more. ASAP.

time goes by faster on the island? if that theory's true, then oceanic 815 survivors have not been missing for XX days, but only X days. But then again, Desmond said back in one of the previous seasons that he's been pushing that switch for 3 yrs...so he's been on the island for 3 yrs. And in this episode, Penny just said she's been looking for Desmond for 3 yrs. So that doesnt work...

Good observation.

Great episode :thumbsup:

time goes by SLOWER on the island...as evidenced by the line above in addition to the payload test...but that is a good observation...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MrLee
Best Episode EVAR. We learned so much. Here's one thing I found wierd about it though. The conciousness switching from one point in time to another is understandable. It can only be in one place at one time and that's how it was all the way up until the phone call with Penny. But then we see Desmond get the number, switch to 2004, make the phone call, and as he makes the phone call we see 1996 Desmond walking away from Penny's house in slow motion with a smile on his face as if he knew that it worked. I think that was a mistake on their behalf... just pointing it out.

Also, the nose bleeding and convulsing thing. If desmond dies in 2004 will he be alive in 1996 still?

Ya, that switching back and forth was a little confusing. I wonder if once he found his Constant whether he actually lived(has memories) from that point in time(1996) to the Present. He quite possibly has a whole different History line than what he had before.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Ns1
time goes by SLOWER on the island...as evidenced by the line above in addition to the payload test...but that is a good observation...

yea thats what i meant

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MrLee
Best Episode EVAR. We learned so much. Here's one thing I found wierd about it though. The conciousness switching from one point in time to another is understandable. It can only be in one place at one time and that's how it was all the way up until the phone call with Penny. But then we see Desmond get the number, switch to 2004, make the phone call, and as he makes the phone call we see 1996 Desmond walking away from Penny's house in slow motion with a smile on his face as if he knew that it worked. I think that was a mistake on their behalf... just pointing it out.

Also, the nose bleeding and convulsing thing. If desmond dies in 2004 will he be alive in 1996 still?

Ya, that switching back and forth was a little confusing. I wonder if once he found his Constant whether he actually lived(has memories) from that point in time(1996) to the Present. He quite possibly has a whole different History line than what he had before.

thats what I was wondering too. Does Desmond keep going back and forth still, but he'll be ok because he has an anchor, a constant? Or is he ok now because he will stop going back and forth? If he has stopped, which Desmond are we left with? The Desmond from 1996 who has no memory of the past 8 yrs, or did Desmond's consciousness revert back to the one he had before he started experiencing the side effects?

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MrLee
Best Episode EVAR. We learned so much. Here's one thing I found wierd about it though. The conciousness switching from one point in time to another is understandable. It can only be in one place at one time and that's how it was all the way up until the phone call with Penny. But then we see Desmond get the number, switch to 2004, make the phone call, and as he makes the phone call we see 1996 Desmond walking away from Penny's house in slow motion with a smile on his face as if he knew that it worked. I think that was a mistake on their behalf... just pointing it out.

Also, the nose bleeding and convulsing thing. If desmond dies in 2004 will he be alive in 1996 still?

Ya, that switching back and forth was a little confusing. I wonder if once he found his Constant whether he actually lived(has memories) from that point in time(1996) to the Present. He quite possibly has a whole different History line than what he had before.

I think you're close. This season, when they introduced a new character - a physicist with the last name Faraday - I knew something was up.

With 1996 Desmond, Faraday said that the future cannot be changed due to time travel. Clearly time on the island is different than time in the "real world," so if one were to time travel, how does this affect the world and moreso - people's perceptions of their lives?

I think what will ultimately happen is instead of futures changing, the characters' pasts will change. This is slowly being hinted at, mainly with the Faraday character. The first hint of this was very subtle - it was when he was first introduced and was watching the news of the Oceanic crash. He started to cry uncontrollably, and when asked why, he said he did not know. The second time, off the top of my head, is when he was remembering which 3 cards were face-down on the table. He guessed 2/3. Essentially the past (more specifically, memories of the past) is being altered. The characters are now being exposed to new, though technically old memories.

Since the first episode of Lost, we've been given backgrounds to these characters. These stories of their past gave us an understanding of who they are and why they do the things they do. When time travel is added to the equation, however, I have a feeling we will start to see the histories of these characters alter to match their new futures.

A big, obvious display of time travel is Walt. I think it was a pretty clever way for the show to deal with his aging, since he grew a hell of a lot since he was last on (the show has been on for several years now, though only spanning something like 3-4 months in "Lost-time"). The fact that he was off the island, and is now "big" as Locke said, is a clear display of time travel in some form. I have a feeling it will end up being some convoluted, cheesy, sci-fi explanation with electromagnetics and radiation and other buzz words. The hatch is involved with controlling this in some way, but I don't have a theory on that yet.

Something possibly interesting is Claire/Kate's baby, Aaron. If you remember allll the way back in Season 1, the psychic tells Claire that the baby will be a danger if raised by someone else. At the time, we didn't know anything we do now, so "someone else" was the adoptive parents she was going to give the baby to. Now, we see that the someone else is more than likely Kate. So, there's another variable in the Lost mess.

 

[erikistired]

remember when faraday asked if des had been near electromagnetic fields lately? he HAS been, when the hatch went. on the island that might have been months ago, but in reality it might have been a week. i think that's why he was affected by leaving the island.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MrLee
Best Episode EVAR. We learned so much. Here's one thing I found wierd about it though. The conciousness switching from one point in time to another is understandable. It can only be in one place at one time and that's how it was all the way up until the phone call with Penny. But then we see Desmond get the number, switch to 2004, make the phone call, and as he makes the phone call we see 1996 Desmond walking away from Penny's house in slow motion with a smile on his face as if he knew that it worked. I think that was a mistake on their behalf... just pointing it out.

Also, the nose bleeding and convulsing thing. If desmond dies in 2004 will he be alive in 1996 still?

Ya, that switching back and forth was a little confusing. I wonder if once he found his Constant whether he actually lived(has memories) from that point in time(1996) to the Present. He quite possibly has a whole different History line than what he had before.

I think you're close. This season, when they introduced a new character - a physicist with the last name Faraday - I knew something was up.

With 1996 Desmond, Faraday said that the future cannot be changed due to time travel. Clearly time on the island is different than time in the "real world," so if one were to time travel, how does this affect the world and moreso - people's perceptions of their lives?

I think what will ultimately happen is instead of futures changing, the characters' pasts will change. This is slowly being hinted at, mainly with the Faraday character. The first hint of this was very subtle - it was when he was first introduced and was watching the news of the Oceanic crash. He started to cry uncontrollably, and when asked why, he said he did not know. The second time, off the top of my head, is when he was remembering which 3 cards were face-down on the table. He guessed 2/3. Essentially the past (more specifically, memories of the past) is being altered. The characters are now being exposed to new, though technically old memories.

Since the first episode of Lost, we've been given backgrounds to these characters. These stories of their past gave us an understanding of who they are and why they do the things they do. When time travel is added to the equation, however, I have a feeling we will start to see the histories of these characters alter to match their new futures.

A big, obvious display of time travel is Walt. I think it was a pretty clever way for the show to deal with his aging, since he grew a hell of a lot since he was last on (the show has been on for several years now, though only spanning something like 3-4 months in "Lost-time"). The fact that he was off the island, and is now "big" as Locke said, is a clear display of time travel in some form. I have a feeling it will end up being some convoluted, cheesy, sci-fi explanation with electromagnetics and radiation and other buzz words. The hatch is involved with controlling this in some way, but I don't have a theory on that yet.

Something possibly interesting is Claire/Kate's baby, Aaron. If you remember allll the way back in Season 1, the psychic tells Claire that the baby will be a danger if raised by someone else. At the time, we didn't know anything we do now, so "someone else" was the adoptive parents she was going to give the baby to. Now, we see that the someone else is more than likely Kate. So, there's another variable in the Lost mess.

Interesting. Very interesting.

 

[Mr Pickles]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MrLee
Best Episode EVAR. We learned so much. Here's one thing I found wierd about it though. The conciousness switching from one point in time to another is understandable. It can only be in one place at one time and that's how it was all the way up until the phone call with Penny. But then we see Desmond get the number, switch to 2004, make the phone call, and as he makes the phone call we see 1996 Desmond walking away from Penny's house in slow motion with a smile on his face as if he knew that it worked. I think that was a mistake on their behalf... just pointing it out.

Also, the nose bleeding and convulsing thing. If desmond dies in 2004 will he be alive in 1996 still?

Ya, that switching back and forth was a little confusing. I wonder if once he found his Constant whether he actually lived(has memories) from that point in time(1996) to the Present. He quite possibly has a whole different History line than what he had before.

I think you're close. This season, when they introduced a new character - a physicist with the last name Faraday - I knew something was up.

With 1996 Desmond, Faraday said that the future cannot be changed due to time travel. Clearly time on the island is different than time in the "real world," so if one were to time travel, how does this affect the world and moreso - people's perceptions of their lives?

I think what will ultimately happen is instead of futures changing, the characters' pasts will change. This is slowly being hinted at, mainly with the Faraday character. The first hint of this was very subtle - it was when he was first introduced and was watching the news of the Oceanic crash. He started to cry uncontrollably, and when asked why, he said he did not know. The second time, off the top of my head, is when he was remembering which 3 cards were face-down on the table. He guessed 2/3. Essentially the past (more specifically, memories of the past) is being altered. The characters are now being exposed to new, though technically old memories.

Since the first episode of Lost, we've been given backgrounds to these characters. These stories of their past gave us an understanding of who they are and why they do the things they do. When time travel is added to the equation, however, I have a feeling we will start to see the histories of these characters alter to match their new futures.

A big, obvious display of time travel is Walt. I think it was a pretty clever way for the show to deal with his aging, since he grew a hell of a lot since he was last on (the show has been on for several years now, though only spanning something like 3-4 months in "Lost-time"). The fact that he was off the island, and is now "big" as Locke said, is a clear display of time travel in some form. I have a feeling it will end up being some convoluted, cheesy, sci-fi explanation with electromagnetics and radiation and other buzz words. The hatch is involved with controlling this in some way, but I don't have a theory on that yet.

Something possibly interesting is Claire/Kate's baby, Aaron. If you remember allll the way back in Season 1, the psychic tells Claire that the baby will be a danger if raised by someone else. At the time, we didn't know anything we do now, so "someone else" was the adoptive parents she was going to give the baby to. Now, we see that the someone else is more than likely Kate. So, there's another variable in the Lost mess.

Good points. I almost have to start writing this stuff down. But here's what I've concluded with Desmond and his strange ability to see into the future such as when people are going to die and when lightning is going to strike. Ok, so he's living his two lives for the years, 2004 and 1996. Eventually, he's going to "die" in 2004 and switch back to 1996 permanently. Because of this, he takes whatever memories he can remember of the future back with him to 1996. Its natural that he only remembers the critical memories such as the memories of people getting killed and something crazy like lightning striking somewhere. Granted, Faraday said the future can't be changed, which is also why Desmond told Charlie that no matter what he does he's going to die anyway. But at least Desmond has the knowledge.

Is that nuts and stupid?

 

[Ns1]

Good points. I almost have to start writing this stuff down. But here's what I've concluded with Desmond and his strange ability to see into the future such as when people are going to die and when lightning is going to strike. Ok, so he's living his two lives for the years, 2004 and 1996. Eventually, he's going to "die" in 2004 and switch back to 1996 permanently. Because of this, he takes whatever memories he can remember of the future back with him to 1996. Its natural that he only remembers the critical memories such as the memories of people getting killed and something crazy like lightning striking somewhere. Granted, Faraday said the future can't be changed, which is also why Desmond told Charlie that no matter what he does he's going to die anyway. But at least Desmond has the knowledge.

Is that nuts and stupid?

Sounds like a pretty goddamn brilliant theory to me.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: MrLee

Good points. I almost have to start writing this stuff down. But here's what I've concluded with Desmond and his strange ability to see into the future such as when people are going to die and when lightning is going to strike. Ok, so he's living his two lives for the years, 2004 and 1996. Eventually, he's going to "die" in 2004 and switch back to 1996 permanently. Because of this, he takes whatever memories he can remember of the future back with him to 1996. Its natural that he only remembers the critical memories such as the memories of people getting killed and something crazy like lightning striking somewhere. Granted, Faraday said the future can't be changed, which is also why Desmond told Charlie that no matter what he does he's going to die anyway. But at least Desmond has the knowledge.

Is that nuts and stupid?

It's not nuts - but I think of it like this - Desmond isn't living 2 lives - he is living 2 different times.

I think the reason he becomes "psychic" is the explosion of the hatch unlocked something, or triggered something which allowed him to remember previous iterations of his life.

Say the future doesn't change - this would mean that 1996 Desmond will ultimately end up on the island. He will be the Desmond we all know and loved with the same history we were told. The thing is, the future technically already happened, he is just living through it from his current perception of time.

The reason he doesn't remember any of it is because, as I said, altering the future changes the past, and memories of the past. The hatch explosion probably allowed him to deter the universe's "correction" of the past, allowing him to remember past iterations he already lived through in the future.

It seems like it will end up to be one giant cycle - Desmond leaving Penny, getting put on the island, interacting with himself circa 1996 before getting put on the island, by doing so altering his past to get him put back on the island. Rinse and repeat.

 

[ahurtt]

That was one of the most revealing and enlightening episodes in a very LONG time. So many things started to fall into place.

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

As for Ben's spy on the boat, why couldn't it be Sayid? Was it not Ben who was shown patching up Sayid after he was shot at the end of the prior episode?

Now it is starting to become more clear what might really have happened when the castaways failed to press the button in the hatch and the device blew. Probably that device was keeping some sort of temporal distortion emanating from the island in check. Maybe since the device blew, that temporal distortion/variance between the island and the rest of the world is growing. I dunno. . .but whatever. . .that was an awesome episode. I was riveted to my seat.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
That was one of the most revealing and enlightening episodes in a very LONG time. So many things started to fall into place.

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

As for Ben's spy on the boat, why couldn't it be Sayid? Was it not Ben who was shown patching up Sayid after he was shot at the end of the prior episode?

Now it is starting to become more clear what might really have happened when the castaways failed to press the button in the hatch and the device blew. Probably that device was keeping some sort of temporal distortion emanating from the island in check. Maybe since the device blew, that temporal distortion/variance between the island and the rest of the world is growing. I dunno. . .but whatever. . .that was an awesome episode. I was riveted to my seat.

wait wait wait

so the jacob on the island is the same guy who was on the ship who had the brain anyeurism?(sp?)

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ahurtt
That was one of the most revealing and enlightening episodes in a very LONG time. So many things started to fall into place.

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

As for Ben's spy on the boat, why couldn't it be Sayid? Was it not Ben who was shown patching up Sayid after he was shot at the end of the prior episode?

Now it is starting to become more clear what might really have happened when the castaways failed to press the button in the hatch and the device blew. Probably that device was keeping some sort of temporal distortion emanating from the island in check. Maybe since the device blew, that temporal distortion/variance between the island and the rest of the world is growing. I dunno. . .but whatever. . .that was an awesome episode. I was riveted to my seat.

wait wait wait

so the jacob on the island is the same guy who was on the ship who had the brain anyeurism?(sp?)

I don't think so - I don't recall anything about Jacob being mentioned in this episode at all.

Further hints to my point, and this is just copied from Lostpedia:

Daniel then asks Desmond if his future-him remembers this particular meeting between the two men, to which Desmond responds negatively. Desmond adds that "maybe you just forgot" to which Daniel laughs at the comment.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ahurtt
That was one of the most revealing and enlightening episodes in a very LONG time. So many things started to fall into place.

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

As for Ben's spy on the boat, why couldn't it be Sayid? Was it not Ben who was shown patching up Sayid after he was shot at the end of the prior episode?

Now it is starting to become more clear what might really have happened when the castaways failed to press the button in the hatch and the device blew. Probably that device was keeping some sort of temporal distortion emanating from the island in check. Maybe since the device blew, that temporal distortion/variance between the island and the rest of the world is growing. I dunno. . .but whatever. . .that was an awesome episode. I was riveted to my seat.

wait wait wait

so the jacob on the island is the same guy who was on the ship who had the brain anyeurism?(sp?)

I don't think so - I don't recall anything about Jacob being mentioned in this episode at all.

Further hints to my point, and this is just copied from Lostpedia:

Daniel then asks Desmond if his future-him remembers this particular meeting between the two men, to which Desmond responds negatively. Desmond adds that "maybe you just forgot" to which Daniel laughs at the comment.

This was posted by ahurtt, which has me confused

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

 

[Mr Pickles]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ahurtt
That was one of the most revealing and enlightening episodes in a very LONG time. So many things started to fall into place.

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

As for Ben's spy on the boat, why couldn't it be Sayid? Was it not Ben who was shown patching up Sayid after he was shot at the end of the prior episode?

Now it is starting to become more clear what might really have happened when the castaways failed to press the button in the hatch and the device blew. Probably that device was keeping some sort of temporal distortion emanating from the island in check. Maybe since the device blew, that temporal distortion/variance between the island and the rest of the world is growing. I dunno. . .but whatever. . .that was an awesome episode. I was riveted to my seat.

wait wait wait

so the jacob on the island is the same guy who was on the ship who had the brain anyeurism?(sp?)

Yeah I don't think they are the same person. I'd also like to see how they plan to tie in Jack's father and Locke's father showing up on the island - Jacks dad in the cabin and Locke's dad in Ben's hold.

ahurtt I wouldn't rule out Sayid as Ben's contact on the boat, but you might want to remember that Ben said that well before Sayid was ever on the boat. Also, the person on the inside is most likely the same person that left the door open for Sayid and Desmond so they could get to the com, room.

 

[erikistired]

someone commented on an earlier episode that ben could get on and off the island at will, and that's how he brought locke's father there. it would also explain how he has someone on the boat, if he's been off the island and in contact with his people, might not be hard to sneak one onto the project. or even through penny. the fact that she calls the boat all the time makes me think she has more to do with them than we've been let on to. she was the one who had the people looking for des at the end of the first (?) season.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ahurtt
That was one of the most revealing and enlightening episodes in a very LONG time. So many things started to fall into place.

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

As for Ben's spy on the boat, why couldn't it be Sayid? Was it not Ben who was shown patching up Sayid after he was shot at the end of the prior episode?

Now it is starting to become more clear what might really have happened when the castaways failed to press the button in the hatch and the device blew. Probably that device was keeping some sort of temporal distortion emanating from the island in check. Maybe since the device blew, that temporal distortion/variance between the island and the rest of the world is growing. I dunno. . .but whatever. . .that was an awesome episode. I was riveted to my seat.

wait wait wait

so the jacob on the island is the same guy who was on the ship who had the brain anyeurism?(sp?)

I don't think so - I don't recall anything about Jacob being mentioned in this episode at all.

Further hints to my point, and this is just copied from Lostpedia:

Daniel then asks Desmond if his future-him remembers this particular meeting between the two men, to which Desmond responds negatively. Desmond adds that "maybe you just forgot" to which Daniel laughs at the comment.

This was posted by ahurtt, which has me confused

So now we know why Hurley hasn't really lost any weight. They have not really been on the island as long as they perceive they have been.

Now we know who Jacob is/was.

Do you remember when Ben and Locke were in the shack in a prior season where Jacob was supposedly in there too but all we saw was an empty chair? And then junk started flying around the shack like there was a poltergeist or something? It was the same episode where Ben shot Locke in the spot his kidney would have been if his "dad" hadn't conned him out of it and left him for dead in the mass grave full of the skeletons of all the former members of the Dharma project. In that shack, Locke HEARD Jacob speak. If you recall, what he heard Jacob say was "Help me." That's what Locke told Ben he heard Jacob say right before Ben walked off and left Locke for dead. Now. . .in last nights episode we meet a guy named Jacob right? He's in bad shape, being drugged, and strapped down to a table. His consciousness is jumping around in time and he's scared and confused. If this guy wouldn't be saying something like "Help me" then who would?