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Lost $1500 worth of software because I lost a stupid usb key

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We lost one of the dongles for one of our Avid video production machines and the company wanted to charge us as much for the replacment as purchasing the software in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I'm trying to think if there are some incredible circumstances I could make up like my house burning down or my car smashed to smithereens. But I'm sure the response will be that my insurance should cover it.

Just tell them Katrina wiped out your house and you lost the dongle.
 
Where did you buy the program from ?
Did you buy it directly from the company or a distributor ?
Sometimes your local distributor can help you where the main company will not.
I would email the ceo of the company, steinberg I think, and explain the situation.
Dealing with the support reps probably won't get you anywhere.



This is why all but two of the programs I use have moved away from hardware keys. Its just a pain to keep up with the keys and if you lose them your screwed.

Might be ok for cheap software, but usually the stuff that is protected by hardware keys is expensive. Right now the cost of software on the pc's I use is about $35K. If I had to re-purchase all of that again because of a lost key I would literally cry.

Thankfully all but two of the programs now use license servers.
Where one server on the network handles the keys, so if I am using the program, noone else can be using it at the same time. Its a much better system, and nothing to lose. Only catch is that in order to move the license to another network it has to be uninstalled and the license basically revoked, before they will issue another license.
 
Originally posted by: xeemzor
They have to be violating a consumer protection law somewhere. I'd do some research online and see if you can file in small claims. Even if you have a weak case, they probably still won't show, letting you win by default.

How hard is it to take a giant corporation to small claims court?
 
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: xeemzor
They have to be violating a consumer protection law somewhere. I'd do some research online and see if you can file in small claims. Even if you have a weak case, they probably still won't show, letting you win by default.

How hard is it to take a giant corporation to small claims court?

The hard part is getting them properly served with the lawsuit, especially if they do not have stores or offices in your state.

MotionMan
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Canai
Why didn't you make a backup?
How does one create a backup of a USB device? Does your PC have a replicator built into it?

Are the dongles just flash drives, or some special hardware?

If just flash drives, go into linux and do a direct drive dump onto another usb flash drive.

If not, then there may be some emulation software out there.
 
Originally posted by: Fox5
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Canai
Why didn't you make a backup?
How does one create a backup of a USB device? Does your PC have a replicator built into it?

Are the dongles just flash drives, or some special hardware?

If just flash drives, go into linux and do a direct drive dump onto another usb flash drive.

If not, then there may be some emulation software out there.

If they went to the trouble of creating a dongle, I would think that the "key" is hardwired into the dongle and that they are hard to emulate.

MotionMan
 
Jeeezus !
This is what scared Neal about being an early user, way back when Pro-Tools was still "new|".

OP,I feel your pain dude.

Maybe find another Cubase user in your city and see if they can helpyou get back in business, then consider moving the files to another format.

Data doesn't really exist unless it is in three different formats, in three different locations.< Don't know who said it, but it's real when music is digital data.
 
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Fox5
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Canai
Why didn't you make a backup?
How does one create a backup of a USB device? Does your PC have a replicator built into it?

Are the dongles just flash drives, or some special hardware?

If just flash drives, go into linux and do a direct drive dump onto another usb flash drive.

If not, then there may be some emulation software out there.

If they went to the trouble of creating a dongle, I would think that the "key" is hardwired into the dongle and that they are hard to emulate.

MotionMan

Plus, I dunno, maybe it'd be hard to make a copy of the USB drive that he currently can't find... 😉
 
Any company that uses such a stupid authentication method would not have my business. I'd go with another company. I can't see how they can justify their license only working on a piece of hardware that can not be backed up...what if it gets fried or something?
 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Any company that uses such a stupid authentication method would not have my business. I'd go with another company. I can't see how they can justify their license only working on a piece of hardware that can not be backed up...what if it gets fried or something?

I think they will replace a broken dongle if you return it. You're dead in the water if you lose it.
 
Rather or not you can find cracked version on the internet to use the program is irrelevant. OP paid for the freaking program, he should be able to use it. Software companies should suck it up and consider as cost of business.
 
Originally posted by: thecrecarc
Originally posted by: Soundmanred
Originally posted by: thecrecarc
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubase#Copy_Protection the dongle was cracked. Now its all a matter of googling 😉

It was cracked for versions prior to 4, so this won't help him.

No trust me. I looked. Version 4 is quite... uh... compromised.

There are cracks available for C4, but they don't work properly and usually end up borking the program to an unusable state.
 
Originally posted by: Soundmanred
Originally posted by: thecrecarc
Originally posted by: Soundmanred
Originally posted by: thecrecarc
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubase#Copy_Protection the dongle was cracked. Now its all a matter of googling 😉

It was cracked for versions prior to 4, so this won't help him.

No trust me. I looked. Version 4 is quite... uh... compromised.

There are cracks available for C4, but they don't work properly and usually end up borking the program to an unusable state.

This is true. It is also not for Mac which I have been transitioning to.

You also would not get technical support. That is pretty important on a complicated piece of software like this.
 
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
So yeah. I use the music program Cubase 4, which uses a authentication system where you need to plug in a special USB key (looks like a normal thumb drive) in while using the program.

While moving to a new city it somehow got lost and I figured big deal I'll call and get a new one. I would expect that kind of support after paying so much for software.

But they are refusing to replace it and want me to buy all the software again. Are you fucking kidding me? Not only that but I read the manual and installation guide and it never even mentioned how valuable the key way.

Can you think of anyway I can try to fight this?

I assume you bought the software with a credit card. Contact the company you ordered from and explain the situation. If they don't budge, contact the software companies directly and complain.

The actual software company will likely help you when you tell them that x company, who is selling their software, was unhelpful and that you are dissatisfied with the level of service/care you received.
 
I'm not even sure which company I should be dealing with. Yamaha recently bought Steinberg so the telephone number for the corporate site is Yamaha's.

They have a thousands of dealers in the country so I doubt it would be of any use to contact them.

And then they have a link to their website that looks like it was made by a ten year old:

http://www.steinbergusers.com/
 
Why don't you buy one of the blank dongles on ebay, smash it, send them the smashed dongle and your receipt/license. It's technically not lost and if it's smashed good enough they won't be able to tell it's blank.
 
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Why don't you buy one of the blank dongles on ebay, smash it, send them the smashed dongle and your receipt/license. It's technically not lost and if it's smashed good enough they won't be able to tell it's blank.

http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/i...s-usbkey_cnet2_256.jpg

Does that answer your question? It looks like you would have to break it in such a fashion to completely obliterate that key number. And even then I bet there is something unique about the generic one compared to the one designed especially for Cubase 4.
 
Personally, I think you're SOL. They're not going to make any concessions for you based on what I've read about this Steinberg Key. Consider it a $1500 lesson learned.
 
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Why don't you buy one of the blank dongles on ebay, smash it, send them the smashed dongle and your receipt/license. It's technically not lost and if it's smashed good enough they won't be able to tell it's blank.

http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/i...s-usbkey_cnet2_256.jpg

Does that answer your question? It looks like you would have to break it in such a fashion to completely obliterate that key number. And even then I bet there is something unique about the generic one compared to the one designed especially for Cubase 4.

buy something that looks like that. and let a train run over it. or something... say you accidentally drop it on the subway rail. collect the bits, send that in
 
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