Losers in the unions vs. Wal-Mart game: D.C.'s poor (UPDATE)

[highland145]

Don't hate the player, hate the game. They're shipping jobs to China because they're allowed to and it gives them a competitive edge. Do you just expect them to stay with US companies and take a loss out of the goodness of their hearts? That's ridiculous. If you want them to act responsible, it's up to voters and the government to set the laws so responsibility is the only option.

QFT

 

[FerrelGeek]

No it doesn't mean poof jobs are gone idiot. There is a demand and it will be met by another corporation that will pay a liveable wage.

You're the perfect poster child for keeping drugs illegal

Really? What corporations are going to create these jobs at $12.50/hr? Target? K-Mart? Meijers?

And this is why

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Things change. Last years car models were $2000 cheaper. That doesn't mean you are entitled to last years prices today. Don't like it take your slave wages and stick them in your ass.

this is a pretty dumb retort.

 

[justoh]

Well, it's obvious that they can't target walmart, and since it's been decided that it's not unconstitutional to pass minimum wage laws, then why not do it properly? Or are they?

Surely that shit is defined somewhere. Look at the statutes and associated materials. If it's defined as "minimum level to appease apathetic public; the tipping point for what they would accept" then it's probably fine the way it is. Or not. Couldn't you just raise it?

And according to wikipedia, 5% report income below min wage, which is sure to increase as the wages increase, so maybe min wage laws aren't the answer. Just work 2-3 jobs I guess. Oh you're already doing that. Well then shit's sorted.

 

[waggy]

bwhahaha

you guys crack me up. in on thread you bitch about people sitting on welfare and sucking you dry.

A company is willing to go into areas of major blight. where unemployment is insanely high. remember NO OTHER company is willing to come in. here walmart is willing to take the risk and give 1800 people jobs.

so. what do they do? penalize walmart for that. lol

i don't blame walmart at all in there actions.

you all are happy that they are fucking walmart and they aren't coming in. 1800 people now won't get a job because of the areas greed hahaa

 

[Slew Foot]

they dont really want the jobs, they're fine with the handouts.

 

[fskimospy]

Wal-Mart is a horrible company but this law makes no sense. You want to raise the minimum wage? Just do it. Don't go after one company in particular.

I'm a firm believer in a higher minimum wage as companies such as Wal-Mart are parasites on the welfare state. If your business model requires your employees to receive public assistance, that's a fake business model.

 

[Spungo]

I'm a firm believer in a higher minimum wage as companies such as Wal-Mart are parasites on the welfare state. If your business model requires your employees to receive public assistance, that's a fake business model.

It's not Walmart's fault you had 3 kids and need food stamps. Why is the Walmart the one to get screwed by this?

 

[nehalem256]

Wal-Mart is a horrible company but this law makes no sense. You want to raise the minimum wage? Just do it. Don't go after one company in particular.

I'm a firm believer in a higher minimum wage as companies such as Wal-Mart are parasites on the welfare state. If your business model requires your employees to receive public assistance, that's a fake business model.

So what you are saying is that companies like Walmart should be allowed to not discriminate in hiring against single mothers?

 

[Nintendesert]

No jobs are better than low paying jobs.

 

[Munky]

F*** the entitled twits in DC who got greedy. Don't like minimum wage? Then maybe you should have done something with your life and develop skills, instead of sitting around and b!tching how the gubment isn't taking care of you.

 

[Mursilis]

I'm a firm believer in a higher minimum wage as companies such as Wal-Mart are parasites on the welfare state. If your business model requires your employees to receive public assistance, that's a fake business model.

There are very, very few businesses in the country that would not, if they could, cut employee wages. Corporations are like people - most aren't simply going to hand out money based on some altruistic motive.

 

[Ldir]

People wanted cheaper goods. Walmart came along to fill that need, and you're blaming Walmart for the social wreckage?

People always want cheaper goods but they accept that production costs set the floor for low prices. Walmart broke the backs of American suppliers to lower that cost. Cheap goods cost American jobs.

 

[highland145]

People always want cheaper goods but they accept that production costs set the floor for low prices. Walmart broke the backs of American suppliers to lower that cost. Cheap goods cost American jobs.

NAFTA sure helped.

 

[Ldir]

True and a big reason I don't like WM but the need wasn't being met by anyone else in this case. 1800 jobs is a big deal.

On the flip side, if Americans gave a crap about quality or their locally owned stores WM wouldn't have such a big footprint. "Give me cheap crap." FTL.

Most of those 1800 jobs will come from smaller retailers. It is not a net 1800 new jobs.

 

[Ldir]

NAFTA sure helped.

I agree. It was a horrible deal for American workers.

 

[Mursilis]

People always want cheaper goods but they accept that production costs set the floor for low prices. Walmart broke the backs of American suppliers to lower that cost. Cheap goods cost American jobs.

So did cheap (but good - there's a reason Honda and Toyota survived in the US and Renault and Peugeot did not) cars, but few cared. How many Walmart haters drive a foreign car?

 

[Nintendesert]

NAFTA sure helped.

I didn't know NAFTA was shifting jobs to China. Hmm, the more you know!

 

[highland145]

So did cheap (but good - there's a reason Honda and Toyota survived in the US and Renault and Peugeot did not) cars, but few cared. How many Walmart haters drive a foreign car?

Here but cheap/poor quality and Toyota don't go hand in hand.

 

[highland145]

Most of those 1800 jobs will come from smaller retailers. It is not a net 1800 new jobs.

True but I have no idea what the commerce looks like in the ares...Mom & Pops...

I didn't know NAFTA was shifting jobs to China. Hmm, the more you know!

It was a bit "around your elbow" to get to China but....it opened the flood gates.

 

[fskimospy]

There are very, very few businesses in the country that would not, if they could, cut employee wages. Corporations are like people - most aren't simply going to hand out money based on some altruistic motive.

Sure, but we don't have to be altruistic either. Wal-Mart currently receives what are in effect large subsidies from the public, as they can pay their employees less than what they need to live and count on the public to pick up the tab. It's a moocher business model.

That's why I'm all for increasing the minimum wage to a living wage. We end up making up the difference anyway and I see no reason to subsidize their business model.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

F Wal-Mart and their slave driver wages while they make record profits.

Walmart gets SOOOO much bad rep, given their average pay, benefits package, etc... they really aren't all that bad.

Why are they always considered an example of the worst, when really they...
1) Aren't the worst - by far.
2) All major retailers do the same tactics

All I can say is that labor is worth what the market demands. It isn't worth what the DC government says it is worth. I never shop at Walmart. I don't contribute revenue to places that are that filthy, but even I can turn around here and say kudos to Walmart. Go fuck yourself DC.

 

[JEDI]

Michal,

I am much more upset at how Walmart has forced manufacturing jobs overseas. Walmart and corporations like it are transforming America from a wealthy nation to a poor nation.

wtf has that got to do w/the 1800 unemployed inner city people not getting walmart jobs because of what the city council did?

 

[Spungo]

I didn't know NAFTA was shifting jobs to China. Hmm, the more you know!

Vancouver is basically an extension of China, so it's basically true.

 

[fskimospy]

Walmart gets SOOOO much bad rep, given their average pay, benefits package, etc... they really aren't all that bad.

Why are they always considered an example of the worst, when really they...
1) Aren't the worst - by far.
2) All major retailers do the same tactics

All I can say is that labor is worth what the market demands. It isn't worth what the DC government says it is worth. I never shop at Walmart. I don't contribute revenue to places that are that filthy, but even I can turn around here and say kudos to Walmart. Go fuck yourself DC.

Not everyone!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costco#Labor_relations