Los Angeles War Protest Oct 6......with PICS!!

[tcsenter]

I was 18 in 72. I had friends over int Viet Nam. Viet Nam was the top story in the News every night. Pictures of wounded Americans were in our living rooms. To say 60% of those protesting didn't know where Viet Nam was is assinine and totally ignorant.

But no more assinine or totally ignorant than using moronic 60's pot-head expressions such as "an illegal war". By what law, the United Nations? The United Nations was supportive of intervention, hell even the 'passive' French and Canadians were there, but the French pulled out when the going got tough.

I don't want any one to say the French have no principles, they're just not willing to endure any hardships to defend them. haha

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: smp WTF is your point? Just because they're at a protest that means that they can't participate in american consumer culture? WTF not?

No, it's just poetic how their political understanding is as shallow as their wardrobe.

WTF are you arguing exactly?

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
smp, if you don't believe the Palestinians picking up these checks openly before Arab television, then I can't never convince you. After all, bin Laden and his associates keep releasing tapes boasting about 9/11 attack, and why they did it. Most of the Arabs are still convinced it was the Mossad and the CIA who did it not their fellow beings.

No I don't believe it, because I also saw tapes of iraqi soldiers pulling babies from incubators. PR firms do this stuff during wars, it's called "propaganda".



You lie about something as blatant as that and I just won't believe you anymore, that's that.
Bin Laden has an aweful lot of camera presence, he's like, the most photogenic man of this century. The camera just loves that guy. He's also a fvcking moron billionaire. He has all this money yet he sleeps in caves. He's an idiot because he makes video tapes about himself confessing in caves to his goons, and then runs away, leaving the tape behind.
He's a funny character that guy.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I was 18 in 72. I had friends over int Viet Nam. Viet Nam was the top story in the News every night. Pictures of wounded Americans were in our living rooms. To say 60% of those protesting didn't know where Viet Nam was is assinine and totally ignorant.

But no more assinine or totally ignorant than using moronic 60's pot-head expressions such as "an illegal war". By what law, the United Nations? The United Nations was supportive of intervention, hell even the 'passive' French and Canadians were there, but the French pulled out when the going got tough. I don't want any one to say the French have no principles, they're just not willing to endure any hardships to defend them. haha

I guess you're not familiar wth the Geneva Convention, the UN charter or the NATO charter.
The U.S has broken all of these, multiple times.

WTF is nato still around? Isn't the cold war over?

Also, the U.S is the one country to VETO most UN resolutions, so it's just ironic when the U.N doesn't agree with them.

 

[Pocatello]

South Vietnam wasn't worth one American life.

You can say that about S. Korea and Europe too and many echo the same sentiment as you. I am clad that America still care about the world, right or wrong is up in debate, to give its sons and daughters to defend other countries' freedom and not as conqueror. America could take control over the Middle East oil reserve by force without much trouble. America could take over the world after World War 2, but didn't. Look what America has done to Europe, S. Korea, and Japan. Compare that with what the Russians had done with Europe and N. Korea and Vietnam. I think America can do the same for Iraq and its people. I would take American Imperialism over anything that's out there.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: Pocatello

South Vietnam wasn't worth one American life.

You can say that about S. Korea and Europe too and many echo the same sentiment as you. I am clad that America still care about the world, right or wrong is up in debate, to give its sons and daughters to defend other countries' freedom and not as conqueror. America could take control over the Middle East oil reserve by force without much trouble. America could take over the world after World War 2, but didn't. Look what America has done to Europe, S. Korea, and Japan. Compare that with what the Russians had done with Europe and N. Korea and Vietnam. I think America can do the same for Iraq and its people. I would take American Imperialism over anything that's out there.

How about .. no imperialism?

 

[Red Dawn]

But no more assinine or totally ignorant than using moronic 60's pot-head expressions such as "an illegal war".

Where do you get the notion that "Illegal" war is some kind of moronic Pot Head expression? It was an undeclared war. For the US to partake in such a military action without the consent of congress is illegal.The Congress is the representive of the American populace. The administrations of Johnson and Nixon escalated the war which resulted in deaths thousands of American in the Armed forces without the Americans or their representivies agreeing to it. I can assure you that such an action will never take place again.

 

Originally posted by: smp
WTF are you arguing exactly?

That this whole peace/protest thing is for the most part a bunch of tools looking for a defining event for their generation.

 

[Red Dawn]

You can say that about S. Korea and Europe too and many echo the same sentiment as you. I am clad that America still care about the world, right or wrong is up in debate, to give its sons and daughters to defend other countries' freedom and not as conqueror.

Yeah right. At first that is what it might have been about but as the war continued it was our Military Industrial Complex that pressed on. War was good business for Companies like FMC and the like whose stock Holders prospered while American Servicemen died.

As for South Vietnam not being worth one American life, if the South Vietnamese wouldn't have folded up so easily after we left I migyht have had a different opinion. Obviously they were willing to give up rather than fight for their freedom or maybe they knew that the war wasn't about freedom and wisely decided to end the sensless killing

 

[Red Dawn]

That this whole peace/protest thing is for the most part a bunch of tools looking for a defining event for their generation.

Well it's their generation that is going to be headed for the killing fields. Maybe that want a say in it.

 

[tcsenter]

I guess you're not familiar wth the Geneva Convention, the UN charter or the NATO charter.
The U.S has broken all of these, multiple times.

Sure I am, perhaps you'd like to explain how the US intervention in Vietnam was 'illegal', since that was my point.

Where do you get the notion that "Illegal" war is some kind of moronic Pot Head expression? It was an undeclared war. For the US to partake in such a military action without the consent of congress is illegal.

Umm, Red, buddy, there was nothing 'illegal' about it at the time. The law restricting the president's ability to commit troops for a specified period of time without the consent of Congress was passed after Vietnam.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: smp
WTF are you arguing exactly?

That this whole peace/protest thing is for the most part a bunch of tools looking for a defining event for their generation.

so you are saying that those who protest war dress well and those who dress badly support war?

weird

 

[Red Dawn]

Umm, Red, buddy, there was nothing 'illegal' about it at the time

OK, you are probably right. Let's change that to ill-conceived.

 

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well it's their generation that is going to be headed for the killing fields. Maybe that want a say in it.

Fortunately the art or war has evolved beyond killing fields (for the US at least). Desert Storm 2 will be another military-tech demo.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I guess you're not familiar wth the Geneva Convention, the UN charter or the NATO charter. The U.S has broken all of these, multiple times.

Sure I am, perhaps you'd like to explain how the US intervention in Vietnam was 'illegal', since that was my point.

Where do you get the notion that "Illegal" war is some kind of moronic Pot Head expression? It was an undeclared war. For the US to partake in such a military action without the consent of congress is illegal.

Umm, Red, buddy, there was nothing 'illegal' about it at the time. The law restricting the president's ability to commit troops for a specified period of time without the consent of Congress was passed after Vietnam.

I don't know enough about vietnam to comment.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

That this whole peace/protest thing is for the most part a bunch of tools looking for a defining event for their generation.

Well it's their generation that is going to be headed for the killing fields. Maybe that want a say in it.

This is the same age-group that continuously have the lowest turnout during elections. How can they expect to have a say in it when they're not willing to contribute a few moment to choose those that share their views? If they think protesting in the street alone will stop the Government from declaring or stopping war against Iraq, they just have to look back at Vietnam and see what happen.

 

[Red Dawn]

Fortunately the art or war has evolved beyond killing fields (for the US at least). Desert Storm 2 will be another military-tech demo.

You hope.

 

[Pocatello]

US Congress was quite happy supporting the war effort so would most Americans, if America was winning, actually it came pretty close in 1972 (according to my uncle, who was quite highly-ranked in the Communist party). War is war, if you lose, you're in the doghouse and you become a war monger with the people, if you win, you still might be in the doghouse if the economy went south (Winston Churchill, and Bush I ). Most Americans were indecisive about confronting the Axis so were the US Congress before pearl harbor. We were indecisive toward Afghanistan until 9/11. Indecisive cost thousands of unsuspecting Americans their lives, not to mention millions of Europeans (again, their own willingness to avoid war at all cost with Hitler). The only way to unite America against Iraq is a chemical or nuclear attack against us targets sponsored by Saddam, how many American civilians must die this time?

 

[ElFenix]

the united states rarely lost on the battlefield in vietnam. the tet offensive was a pretty big US victory, yet you wouldn't know that by what was reported at the time or in most history courses.

that chick was kinda cute

 

[Pocatello]

In 1975, the N. Vietnamese had liked 800 brand new T-55 tanks massed against the S. Vietnamese (this is more than what the Allies and the Germans had during D-Day). The S. Vietnamese had expected the USAF B-52 would help out again like 1972 Easter offensive by the N. Vietnam. In 1972, the S. Vietnamese army panicked at first because of those tanks rumbling down on them, but the B-52 saved the situation, and the South Vietnamese army, although out manned, out-tanked, and without much artillery support, fought on. The North suffered very heavy casualties and withdrew. Nixon had promised such a support if the North attack again. But 1975, Nixon wasn't there. The S. Vietnamese had equipments and weapons and tactics taught by the Americans to use against a guerilla force, such as lots of helicopters for quick insertion, but not too many tanks, artilllery or antitank weapons. What the N. Vietnamese had was a full conventional force the South had never seen before.

 

[Red Dawn]

What the N. Vietnamese had was a full conventional force the South had never seen before.

Yet all of America's might didn't cause the North to give up.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well it's their generation that is going to be headed for the killing fields. Maybe that want a say in it.

Fortunately the art or war has evolved beyond killing fields (for the US at least). Desert Storm 2 will be another military-tech demo.

thats probably right, that is untill the troops enter cities, thats when high tech doesnt matter (at least what some US general said in some interevew on the news)

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well it's their generation that is going to be headed for the killing fields. Maybe that want a say in it.

Fortunately the art or war has evolved beyond killing fields (for the US at least). Desert Storm 2 will be another military-tech demo.

thats probably right, that is untill the troops enter cities, thats when high tech doesnt matter (at least what some US general said in some interevew on the news)

And why do they have to enter the cities? Surround it for 2-3 weeks with constant shelling, and even the Russian somewhat pull back from the Germans onslaught, as well as sustaining heavy casualties. I imagine we have much better artilery and firepower than at that time.

 

Originally posted by: Czar

thats probably right, that is untill the troops enter cities, thats when high tech doesnt matter (at least what some US general said in some interevew on the news)

Agreed, then again this is not Vietnam and there will be no draft. When you sign up for the service you go in well knowing you may die in action. It's their choice.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well it's their generation that is going to be headed for the killing fields. Maybe that want a say in it.

Fortunately the art or war has evolved beyond killing fields (for the US at least). Desert Storm 2 will be another military-tech demo.

thats probably right, that is untill the troops enter cities, thats when high tech doesnt matter (at least what some US general said in some interevew on the news)

And why do they have to enter the cities? Surround it for 2-3 weeks with constant shelling, and even the Russian somewhat pull back from the Germans onslaught, as well as sustaining heavy casualties. I imagine we have much better artilery and firepower than at that time.

2-3 weeks of bombing a civilian city, sure that will be okey for everyone:disgust: