Looks like the Da Vinci Code finally struck a nerve

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
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A little too late to tell people to stop buying it, no?

This is just what you all were waiting for, wasn't it?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I read the book. While it's an entertaining story, I found it extremely ignorant of even a basic understanding of Judaism. I attended an Orthodox Rabbincal seminary for 7 years, so I know a thing or two about it. Dan Brown doesn't have a clue. While I'm not as well versed in Christianity and it's dogma, it's safe to assume that he's just as ignorant.

You are just as bad as the Cardinal. It is a freaking book of fiction.

I understand that. But most writers (yes, even FICTIOn writers) research their subject matter beforehand. Would I write a novel on the people of Madagascar and describe their customs in detail if I don't have a clue about them? I think that would be a bit strange. But hey, I thought the book was a fun story. Ignorant, but entertaining.

Also, what would Judaism have to do with the Da Vinci Code? Its about Catholicism. It doesn't need to go in depth about Judaism.

There are times he discusses ancient Jewish customs and rites which are complete fabrications. Also, when he talks about the Dead Sea scrolls, he displays his ignorance again. I don't want to get in to an in-depth discussion about it.

Why are you so certain that he is ignorant? Have you never told a story and changed some of the facts in order to make the story more enjoyable? This guy is not out to change the landscape of the Christian faith so I don't understand the problem here. Anyone with an internet connection can figure out that most of the stuff in that book is completely fictional. Just remember there is a distinct difference between ignorance and fabrication.

When someone uses another person's fabrication as fact, that = ignorance. Okay, whatever. I realize it's fiction.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I read the book. While it's an entertaining story, I found it extremely ignorant of even a basic understanding of Judaism. I attended an Orthodox Rabbincal seminary for 7 years, so I know a thing or two about it. Dan Brown doesn't have a clue. While I'm not as well versed in Christianity and it's dogma, it's safe to assume that he's just as ignorant.

You are just as bad as the Cardinal. It is a freaking book of fiction.

I understand that. But most writers (yes, even FICTIOn writers) research their subject matter beforehand. Would I write a novel on the people of Madagascar and describe their customs in detail if I don't have a clue about them? I think that would be a bit strange. But hey, I thought the book was a fun story. Ignorant, but entertaining.

Of course he researched his subject and then purposely drew some false conclusions in order to create a story. If he followed the Bible completely what would be the point in the book?

It's not that he drew false conclusions, his basic understanding of the religious principals were flawed. But hey, enjoy the book! I know I did.

You sound just like my overly religious friends who read this book and could not read it as fiction. Once the word JESUS is invoked it becomes a religious crusade to discredit the author as much as possible.

But hey, at least scientists recently uncovered 'hobbits' so there is still a chance that Tolkien could have been right!

I read it as fiction, I said I enjoyed it. I did find it ignorant though. When I read The Hobbit it's understood that it's a complete fabrication. I haven't run into any hobbits or cavetrolls recently, have you? I met a Jew AND a Christian yesterday! Hmmm...

Actually scientists recently uncovered what appeared to be a 'hobbit-like' creature. Google.

Okay, you got me.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I read the book. While it's an entertaining story, I found it extremely ignorant of even a basic understanding of Judaism. I attended an Orthodox Rabbincal seminary for 7 years, so I know a thing or two about it. Dan Brown doesn't have a clue. While I'm not as well versed in Christianity and it's dogma, it's safe to assume that he's just as ignorant.

You are just as bad as the Cardinal. It is a freaking book of fiction.

I understand that. But most writers (yes, even FICTIOn writers) research their subject matter beforehand. Would I write a novel on the people of Madagascar and describe their customs in detail if I don't have a clue about them? I think that would be a bit strange. But hey, I thought the book was a fun story. Ignorant, but entertaining.

Also, what would Judaism have to do with the Da Vinci Code? Its about Catholicism. It doesn't need to go in depth about Judaism.

There are times he discusses ancient Jewish customs and rites which are complete fabrications. Also, when he talks about the Dead Sea scrolls, he displays his ignorance again. I don't want to get in to an in-depth discussion about it.

Why are you so certain that he is ignorant? Have you never told a story and changed some of the facts in order to make the story more enjoyable? This guy is not out to change the landscape of the Christian faith so I don't understand the problem here. Anyone with an internet connection can figure out that most of the stuff in that book is completely fictional. Just remember there is a distinct difference between ignorance and fabrication.

When someone uses another person's fabrication as fact, that = ignorance. Okay, whatever. I realize it's fiction.

Hey, I agree that anyone who reads the book and tries to pass it off as fact is ignorant. I can't say the same for the author because he never tried to pass it off as anything more than what it is... a best selling book of fiction.

 

[Mucho]

When is the Vatican gointg to learn attacking the book will only make more people want to read it.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I read the book. While it's an entertaining story, I found it extremely ignorant of even a basic understanding of Judaism. I attended an Orthodox Rabbincal seminary for 7 years, so I know a thing or two about it. Dan Brown doesn't have a clue. While I'm not as well versed in Christianity and it's dogma, it's safe to assume that he's just as ignorant.

You know what fiction is, right?

Yes. But he bases it on "facts". The so-called facts that he uses in this work of fiction is fiction itself.

Sounds like you haven't read the book carefully.

 

[ace up my sleeve]

The book is strictly for entertainment only. I don't believe a word of it, whether it is based on a "few" actually events or not.

 

[Literati]

Hey, I think we're missing atleast.. 5, maybe 6 more Flaming Atheists in here preaching their beliefs on everyone and calling anyone who disagrees idiots.

I think ATOT is slowing down a little.

I thought reading this thread would be about as enjoyable as getting punched in the face. But, it actually wasn't that bad.

C'mon guys, pick it up.

 

[surreal1221]

Originally posted by: ATLien247

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
If I say what I would like to say about that guy then I will surely go to hell.

It's just a book.

And a book of fiction at that! :roll:

Kinda like the Bible in some's eyes, no?

They are both books, fiction (yes, I consider the Bible one hell of a great story - those drunk guys sure knew how to get us going).

 

[tami]

you'll always have critics who strongly urge against reading popular books. remember, harry potter is a bad series because it promotes witchcraft!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I read the book. While it's an entertaining story, I found it extremely ignorant of even a basic understanding of Judaism. I attended an Orthodox Rabbincal seminary for 7 years, so I know a thing or two about it. Dan Brown doesn't have a clue. While I'm not as well versed in Christianity and it's dogma, it's safe to assume that he's just as ignorant.

You are just as bad as the Cardinal. It is a freaking book of fiction.

I understand that. But most writers (yes, even FICTIOn writers) research their subject matter beforehand. Would I write a novel on the people of Madagascar and describe their customs in detail if I don't have a clue about them? I think that would be a bit strange. But hey, I thought the book was a fun story. Ignorant, but entertaining.

Also, what would Judaism have to do with the Da Vinci Code? Its about Catholicism. It doesn't need to go in depth about Judaism.

There are times he discusses ancient Jewish customs and rites which are complete fabrications. Also, when he talks about the Dead Sea scrolls, he displays his ignorance again. I don't want to get in to an in-depth discussion about it.

Why are you so certain that he is ignorant? Have you never told a story and changed some of the facts in order to make the story more enjoyable? This guy is not out to change the landscape of the Christian faith so I don't understand the problem here. Anyone with an internet connection can figure out that most of the stuff in that book is completely fictional. Just remember there is a distinct difference between ignorance and fabrication.

When someone uses another person's fabrication as fact, that = ignorance. Okay, whatever. I realize it's fiction.

Bible?


/runs away from thread

 

[surreal1221]

Originally posted by: tami
you'll always have critics who strongly urge against reading popular books. remember, harry potter is a bad series because it promotes witchcraft!

Silly right wing conservatism at its best. Christian extremists are just as bad as Islamic extremists.

Anyways. . . this subject has been played out on so many forums, or other medium. After about my eleventy billionth' da vinci / religious bs thread, Im clocking out of this one.

 

[Kenazo]

I'm off to check eBay for someone's throw-off. I'm curious now too..

 

[mobobuff]

Archbishop
"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

I'm sorry, but there's just too much irony in that paragraph to take it seriously.

 

[Bootprint]

At least they didn't put a price on his head, ala Salmon Rushdie.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I read the book. While it's an entertaining story, I found it extremely ignorant of even a basic understanding of Judaism. I attended an Orthodox Rabbincal seminary for 7 years, so I know a thing or two about it. Dan Brown doesn't have a clue. While I'm not as well versed in Christianity and it's dogma, it's safe to assume that he's just as ignorant.

While I can't speak about the validity of his points on Judaism, the History Channel ran a special ("Behind the Da Vinci Code") about Brown's claims about Catholicism. While they did find some deviations from historical fact, for the most part his statements were supported by historical evidence. Of course, this is coming from a television show, but it does give some weight to Brown's credibility in my opinion.

 

"(It) aims to discredit the Church and its history through gross and absurd manipulations," Bertone, the archbishop of the northern Italian city of Genoa and a close friend of Pope John Paul II told the paper in its Monday edition.

The church does this well enough on its own.

"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real," he said. "I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that."

Wait; a "book of fariy tales"? Doesn't the church already have an official book of fairy tales?

He said it was "sad" that even Catholic bookstores were selling "The Da Vinci Code" "for purely economic reasons."

Sweet, sweet irony.

This guy is fun.

 

[Aharami]

the history channel is usually pretty factual..

 

[bootymac]

Meh. I read The Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons and I enjoyed both. Too bad for the cardinal

 

[jlee]

Seems like we have quite the anti-Catholic crowd here -- and I've noticed that the vast majority of those people (in my experience) don't know what the Church officially teaches. There's a lot of misinformation tossed around.

Anyway...
link1
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[SkunkApe]

I call SHENS on the church for thousands of years of lies and for attempting to thwart divinity.

 

[azazyel]

Yeah, the history channel show was pretty good, and it was "on demand." I would seriously suggest watching the show instead of reading the book. The plot in the book is rather simple and predictable so the show will give you the "facts". Oh and for those who just say this is fiction, Dan Brown believes it's true.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Seems like we have quite the anti-Catholic crowd here -- and I've noticed that the vast majority of those people (in my experience) don't know what the Church officially teaches. There's a lot of misinformation tossed around.

Anyway...
link1
link2

There are multiple sides to every story. I wouldn't take everything that Brown says as indisputable fact, but the Church's perspective must be taken with a grain of salt. While the Church will claim that its actions and teachings have been solely motivated by religion and faith, their sphere of influence has been wide-reaching throughout history, and many of their actions were (and still are) politically motivated. It doesn't surprise me that Catholic websites would categorically deny every claim in Brown's books. The Catholic Church has been stubborn since its inception; it maintains the strength of their faith.

 

[CCCHeel]

How true. Most of the ppl on these threads have nothing but a visceral hatred towards anything Christian because they 1) know nothing about true Christianianity and 2) are scared little boys searching for fulfillment in life.

This book is dangerous. Dan Brown uses half-truths and outright lies to promote the selling of his book, all the while basing his story on the backdrop of "fact". The danger is that ppl who don't know much about Christianity will be pushed towards believeing the venom his book spouts, even though he does call it a book of fiction. This false information is only exacerbated by the ignorance of most of the people reading this book (and consequently the ignorance of most of these Christian-bashers on this thread).

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: CCCHeel
How true. Most of the ppl on these threads have nothing but a visceral hatred towards anything Christian because they 1) know nothing about true Christianianity and 2) are scared little boys searching for fulfillment in life.

This book is dangerous. Dan Brown uses half-truths and outright lies to promote the selling of his book, all the while basing his story on the backdrop of "fact". The danger is that ppl who don't know much about Christianity will be pushed towards believeing the venom his book spouts, even though he does call it a book of fiction. This false information is only exacerbated by the ignorance of most of the people reading this book (and consequently the ignorance of most of these Christian-bashers on this thread).

Dude Jesus told you not to judge, man. You're going to Hell.