Looking to build budget dare i say gaming computer for disabled brother

[NTMBK]

Excellent point...

(I still can't figure out why you can't get the 750K in the US... )

http://www.amazon.com/Athlon-II-X4-7...lon+II+x4+750k

 

[Insert_Nickname]

http://www.amazon.com/Athlon-II-X4-7...lon+II+x4+750k

Usually ships within 1-3 weeks. Looks like they're ordering them in Europe.

And at that price forget it...

Current Danish pricing is ~560DKK for the 750K (~$97, without VAT its only ~$74). In contrast ~500DKK will get you a 5400K. So you're paying 60DKK extra for an additional module.

 

[Torn Mind]

Usually ships within 1-3 weeks. Looks like they're ordering them in Europe.

And at that price forget it...

Current Danish pricing is ~560DKK for the 750K (~$97, without VAT its only ~$74). In contrast ~500DKK will get you a 5400K. So you're paying 60DKK extra for an additional module.

That deal would be SO killer here where I live since the sales tax is only 6%(varies state by state in the U.S, though) and you sometimes don't pay tax at all when ordering online. No wonder it isn't here. It would cannibalize the A8s and A10s real easy.

 

[sm625]

Lots of people play planetside 2 on a core 2 duo without serious issues. If you want the best performance possible on a sub $300 budget then you either go on ebay and get a core 2 duo system and put a modern video card in it, or you settle for something laughably underpowered. You arent going to get a legal PC with an ivy bridge or even a sandy bridge, and a decent discrete video card for under $300. Period. So either you go core 2 or you go IGP.

 

[redtruthseeker]

You are a bit wrong...

Radeon HD 8xxxD is not a rebranded Radeon HD 7xxx, it uses some of the arhitecture of Radeon HD 8xxx series to save on power consumption while still having compatibility with Radeon HD 7xxx series GPU's. AMD planned to release Radeon HD 8xxx series at Q1 this year but they delayed it to Q4, Nvidia did the same exact thing...

AVX is used in vector graphics in games, most likely if I am correct eg Borderlands1/2:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=61850

You can get cheapest Intels CPU, motherboard and everything and be under 300$ and have a build that is easily can go up in flames.

I dint try to paint myself as a victim and you missed the point, I was complaining how many of Intel users insult and discriminate people that buy or use AMD because its "inferior" because its cheaper. I admit only that Intel is better in PC builds above 1200$

I was saying that in CPU+GPU is a better option if you have enough cash to spend on right now like 650-700$ if you want parts with decent quality and now because I admitted one part you put Intel CPU rather than just a CPU you [brilliant person].

I dint pick a straw I just have gone a bit offtopic, praising a i3 3220 for the performance and you go trashtalk and you probavly never gave a compliment to any of AMD recent products because you are biased.

Its important to say E8400 and E8600 are outdated because you can't have a decent upgrade at all, most likely if I am correct. Intel every 2 years a new socket.

I only agreed that CrossfireX is not an ideal so does the SLI, because many companies does not have the time or the money to have a great support for Dual Graphic modes compared to mainstream games like Battlefield 3, Sleeping Dogs, Crysis 1/2/3, League Of Legends, etc. We have a mutual argument, but mine is a bit different.

You know that APU's GPU's are not strong as full dedicated cards you can say they are not able for the task but you keep trashing them rather than to admire that it kicks Intel HD Graphics 4000 twice and HD 4600 will be close to 7660D...

Trying to make a low bugdet on Intel is just insanse, impossible... You can get an second hand CPU but in most ways its not possible under 300$ all new and especially a high quality build for under 600$.

Then whats the point of buying a APU if you are going to buy a Radeon HD 7770 right now? If you plan to buy a Richland APU then sure go ahead and enjoy...

AMD's Trinity APU's alone can handle 1080p gaming with older games and with 6670 in dual graphics it can play Battlefield 3 at 1080p medium 45-60 fps even thought as I said 1080p would be nice for simulations or if you have a mid-high end gaming rig. 900p is just fine and there is nothing wrong to play it at 1440x900, its close to 1080p anyway.

I din't abandoned this debate, I was just living a life.

At 17 posts in I'm highly disappointed in you. YHPM, and if you start acting this way and hurling profanity towards other members in a technical forum again, you will not last long here.
-ViRGE

 

[DominionSeraph]

I was saying that in CPU+GPU is a better option if you have enough cash to spend on right now

Which he did. He had $300, which got him into a G860 and 7770. If he had had only $250, he would have had a harder time going CPU + discrete and probably would've had to settle for an AMD APU.

You know that APU's GPU's are not strong as full dedicated cards you can say they are not able for the task but you keep trashing them rather than to admire that it kicks Intel HD Graphics 4000 twice and HD 4600 will be close to 7660D...

One does not need to admire the 7660D over HD when HD is perfectly fine as an office IGP, and the fact that HD is cheaper allows you to use the money saved to buy a superior discrete card if you want to game.
The A10 is a one-size-fits-all CPU+GPU in a world with ~20 sizes. It ONLY covers the budget CPU + "barely gaming" GPU niche. ANYTHING else and you're suddenly looking at either an Intel CPU alone (because it doesn't have the baggage of an unneeded gaming GPU) or an Intel CPU + discrete GPU (because it doesn't have the baggage of a superseded GPU),
If he only had the budget for a budget CPU and a 4670/9600GT/5670/GT240, the APU would have been a fine choice to cover both sides. But he had the budget to sneak in a 7770. A 7770. That destroys the APU. But it only fits in the budget if you're not wasting money on the unneeded graphics of the APU. That means Intel, because the FX4300 and FX6300 are priced well above Intel and the 750K isn't properly available and so more expensive as well.

Trying to make a low bugdet on Intel is just insanse, impossible...

The impossible is apparently not as hard as it used to be, since we did just that.

 

[Torn Mind]

You are a bit wrong...

Radeon HD 8xxxD is not a rebranded Radeon HD 7xxx, it uses some of the arhitecture of Radeon HD 8xxx series to save on power consumption while still having compatibility with Radeon HD 7xxx series GPU's. AMD planned to release Radeon HD 8xxx series at Q1 this year but they delayed it to Q4, Nvidia did the same exact thing...

AVX is used in vector graphics in games, most likely if I am correct eg Borderlands1/2:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=61850

You can get cheapest Intels CPU, motherboard and everything and be under 300$ and have a build that is easily can go up in flames.

I dint try to paint myself as a victim and you missed the point, I was complaining how many of Intel users insult and discriminate people that buy or use AMD because its "inferior" because its cheaper. I admit only that Intel is better in PC builds above 1200$

I was saying that in CPU+GPU is a better option if you have enough cash to spend on right now like 650-700$ if you want parts with decent quality and now because I admitted one part you put Intel CPU rather than just a CPU you biased fuck.

I dint pick a straw I just have gone a bit offtopic, praising a i3 3220 for the performance and you go trashtalk and you probavly never gave a compliment to any of AMD recent products because you are biased.

Its important to say E8400 and E8600 are outdated because you can't have a decent upgrade at all, most likely if I am correct. Intel every 2 years a new socket.

I only agreed that CrossfireX is not an ideal so does the SLI, because many companies does not have the time or the money to have a great support for Dual Graphic modes compared to mainstream games like Battlefield 3, Sleeping Dogs, Crysis 1/2/3, League Of Legends, etc. We have a mutual argument, but mine is a bit different.

You know that APU's GPU's are not strong as full dedicated cards you can say they are not able for the task but you keep trashing them rather than to admire that it kicks Intel HD Graphics 4000 twice and HD 4600 will be close to 7660D...

Trying to make a low bugdet on Intel is just insanse, impossible... You can get an second hand CPU but in most ways its not possible under 300$ all new and especially a high quality build for under 600$.

Then whats the point of buying a APU if you are going to buy a Radeon HD 7770 right now? If you plan to buy a Richland APU then sure go ahead and enjoy...

AMD's Trinity APU's alone can handle 1080p gaming with older games and with 6670 in dual graphics it can play Battlefield 3 at 1080p medium 45-60 fps even thought as I said 1080p would be nice for simulations or if you have a mid-high end gaming rig. 900p is just fine and there is nothing wrong to play it at 1440x900, its close to 1080p anyway.

I din't abandoned this debate, I was just living a life.

More ignorant drivel from this caveman.

The 7660D IS a rebranded 6670 with 16 shaders removed, among other things. You would not even be able to Crossfire them if it was otherwise. This is a physical limitation. Crossfiring requires the two GPUs must be of the same generation and hundredth, 67xx and 67xx.

Dual Crossfire has issues with microstutter. This issue is very well-known and has been known for at least a couple years.

The original poster was reusing some parts. Hence, his $300 budget was not for a completely new system.

You still brought up AES and EM64T despite those two things being irrelevant matters.

And you want to use upgrade path. Well, if he needs to upgrade, he upgrade to a 3570 or 3570K when the funds come in while still having that 7770 provide superior performance to an APU.

 

[ViRGE]

Wolfsraider, I apologize for how a handful of idiots have run your thread off topic. For the time being I have locked this thread, but I will gladly unlock it on your request.

-Thanks
ViRGE