Looking to build budget dare i say gaming computer for disabled brother

[Wolfsraider]

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

gaming like world of tanks wow fps tried planetside but too graphic intensive for my budget
2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
300.00 us max

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
US

5. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.
intel over amd

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

ssd drive 120 gb sandisk and windows 7

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

maybe if still in budget

8. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?

1280x768 max

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?

This next week


X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?

no

Back ground : Building for my brother w are over 40 he has had 3 hip replacements all failed i am tryin to get him a decent budget gaming rig to kill time with he cant get around much.

He loves fps etc but budget very small

I was looking at these parts to stay under budget but open to suggestions , but cant afford 1000.00 pc


BIOSTAR H61MGC LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard 55.00
Intel Pentium G860 Sandy Bridge 3.0GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 70.00
G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBNS 31.00
COOLMAX ZX Series ZX-500 500W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply 40.00
SAMSUNG DVD Burner SATA Model SH-224BB - OEM 18.00
NZXT Source 210 S210-002 White w/Black Front Trim “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer CaseModel #:S210-002 40.00
SAPPHIRE Ultimate Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card (100326UL)Model #:100326UL 85.00
or
MSI R6570-MD1G/LP Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card 55.00

total either way (6670 vs 6570) still at 300.00 roughly

Would this be a decent gaming rig (lighter gaming I know)

 

[max347]

I'd probably go with this psu instead-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139026

 

[Wolfsraider]

I'd probably go with this psu instead-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139026

tyvm looks good ty

 

[BurnItDwn]

At that price point would it make more sense to go with like an a8 trinity to run hybrid crossfire? Or too much a loss of compute/CPU throughput?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Since you're on a very limited budget you should really look at an AMD APU. You'll get a better (more or less equal to an i3-3220) CPU core and roughly equal performance to that HD6670.

Some suggestions:

CPU: AMD A10-5800K - $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113280

Mainboard: MSI FM2-A55-E33 - $44.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130661

Alternative if you need USB3: Asrock FM2A75M-DGS - $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157331

RAM: 2x 2GB 1866MHz Crucial Ballistix - $31.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148499

That will handle any current game at 720p. And is $34 cheaper then your own suggestion. For $5 extra of that money you can then afford a Corsair CX430 PSU. Its MUCH better then the one you linked to. The PSU is a terrible place to cheap out as its literally the heart of the system.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Tpk=cx430%20v2

 

[Lonyo]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157315
Mobo $45

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Pentium-...2093234&sr=1-2
Pentium G860 $65

http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-10...093383&sr=1-42
RAM $27

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Finis...d_sim_sbs_pc_4
$55 case + PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151256
Optical $16

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127687
HD7770 $95 AR
or http://www.amazon.com/HIS-H775F1GD-D...ywords=hd+7770
HD7750 $90 if you don't want to deal with rebates.

$303 for Pentium G860/4GB RAM with HD7770, $298 with HD7750

The PSU on the case should be good enough, specs are listed as:
+3.3V@20A; +5V@14A; +12V1@14A; +12V2@13A; -12V@0.3A; +5VSB@2.5A
http://www.rosewill.com/products/1122/ProductDetail_Overview.htm
So it should have enough juice.

I'm running a Celeron G530 and GTX650Ti on a 220w PSU and it won't even exceed 120w from the wall.
Shopping around always helps, rather than sticking to one site, especially on a very tight budget.

 

[Hubb1e]

Try the Pentium G2020 and a B75 board. Same price but gets you USB3 and the new chipset and CPU generation.

Or that A10 is a good choice.

 

[Binky]

World of tanks is better with an Nvidia video card. If that game is high on his play list, I'd go Nvidia. You should be able to find FPS comparisons on the forums.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Used 768MB GTX 460 for $51.50 here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2303508
I'd grab it if you can. It's going to have performance between a 7750 and 7770 for over $40 less.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GGLn

Plus this combo for mobo + case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1200588

Should be ~$275 after rebates. 8GB RAM and a real PSU.

 

[mfenn]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157315
Mobo $45

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Pentium-...2093234&sr=1-2
Pentium G860 $65

http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-10...093383&sr=1-42
RAM $27

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Finis...d_sim_sbs_pc_4
$55 case + PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151256
Optical $16

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127687
HD7770 $95 AR
or http://www.amazon.com/HIS-H775F1GD-D...ywords=hd+7770
HD7750 $90 if you don't want to deal with rebates.

$303 for Pentium G860/4GB RAM with HD7770, $298 with HD7750

The PSU on the case should be good enough, specs are listed as:
+3.3V@20A; +5V@14A; +12V1@14A; +12V2@13A; -12V@0.3A; +5VSB@2.5A
http://www.rosewill.com/products/1122/ProductDetail_Overview.htm
So it should have enough juice.

I'm running a Celeron G530 and GTX650Ti on a 220w PSU and it won't even exceed 120w from the wall.
Shopping around always helps, rather than sticking to one site, especially on a very tight budget.

I think I'd rather have Ye Olde Twenty Dollar Case plus a CX430 than whatever Rosewill puts in their case. The rest looks really good though.

 

[Wolfsraider]

forgot to mention the ssd i want to add is sata 3 that mobo doesnt support that though right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157315

mfenn i agree I have updated the list ordering soon just not sure if the ivy bride would be better then g860 i know the mobo i was gonna get required a spare sandy bridge processor to do bios update

I cashed the check so here is what i am still looking at :

the case has to have blue lights lol damned if i know why but he is like a child every time he sees one so either i gotta dissapoint or lol

Rosewill LINE-M Micro-ATX Mini Tower Computer Case, Dual USB 3.0, come with Dual Fans, Support up to 4 Fans, 12.5" cardModel #:LINE-MItem #:N82E16811147166
$54.99


BIOSTAR H61MGC LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel MotherboardModel #:H61MGCItem #:N82E16813138332

$54.99



HIS iCooler H777F1G2M Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video CardModel #:H777F1G2MItem #:N82E16814161402
$114.99


CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power SupplyModel #:CP-9020046-NAItem #:N82E16817139026
$49.99


Intel Pentium G860 Sandy Bridge 3.0GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80623G860Model #:BX80623G860Item #:N82E16819116405
$69.99


G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBNSModel #:F3-10666CL9D-4GBNSItem #:N82E16820231396
$30.99

SAMSUNG DVD Burner SATA Model SH-224BB - OEMModel #:SH-224BBItem #:N82E16827151256


$15.99



Subtotal:

$386.93

right now 86.93 over budget but still confused as to if i shouldd just eat overage, go ivy bridge or/ ugh

i'll be happy when i can ...just build it lol

And THANK Each and Everyonefor the help

 

[TheStu]

SATA III drives can connect to SATA II ports, it will just run at SATA II speeds. And if your brother has never used an SSD before, it won't even matter, it will be stupid fast regardless.

Definitely browse the for sale section here. Decent savings to be had.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Why do you all keep coming back with that G860?. Performance wise it would be much better to shave $20 off with a Celeron G1610 and invest that money in a faster GPU. The Pentium G860 will also still be slower then the A10-5800K. In fact its slower then the next step down, the A8-5600K...

(Its a d*** shame you can't get the Athlon X4 750K in the US. Its a great budget CPU...)

 

[DominionSeraph]

The Pentium G860 will also still be slower then the A10-5800K. In fact its slower then the next step down, the A8-5600K...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/676?vs=404

Wow, look at that, the G850 wins in every single game. And it does it without wasting an additional $40 on a useless GPU.

Why do you all keep coming back with that G860?. Performance wise it would be much better to shave $20 off with a Celeron G1610 and invest that money in a faster GPU.

And what GPU is there within $20 of the 7770 that's worth getting? Oh wait, there isn't one. And if there was, what would it need to be balanced? Why, a CPU faster than the G1610. Like, say, the G2020 or the G860. In fact, that 7770 could really use something a little faster than the G1610! We should really spec that!
Oh wait, we did.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/676?vs=404

Wow, look at that, the G850 wins in every single game. And it does it without wasting an additional $40 on a useless GPU.

Really...?
It seems there are multiple takes on that, depending on where you look.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Trinity-Codename-255654/Tests/A6-5400K-A4-5300-Trinity-Test-1045762/

Oh, and the $40 "useless" GPU provides the same level of performance as a discrete 6570. Which starts at $50...

And what GPU is there within $20 of the 7770 that's worth getting? Oh wait, there isn't one. And if there was, what would it need to be balanced? Why, a CPU faster than the G1610. Like, say, the G2020 or the G860. In fact, that 7770 could really use something a little faster than the G1610! We should really spec that!
Oh wait, we did.

A 300MHz difference plus an additional megabyte of L3 cache is not going to make the difference between playable and unplayable. The Celeron is also Ivy-based. I find the SB/IB Pentiums G8xx/G2xxx somewhat strange. They are more expensive then the G6xx/G16xx, but provide little to no extra benefit. But you could also just pocket the $20 instead...

 

[Wolfsraider]

Thank you all I did get the parts listed below I know some areas I might haave done better but I want to thank all of you for helping me get the parts ordered to give my brother a very decent start back into gaming

He is like a kid in a candy store lol cant wait to see his face on his own game rig

and just so you all know I Really appreciate all the advice given You guys rock!

And I want to thank all for the 7770 recomendation after looking at all the reviews it will be a great start to his gaming experience!

 

[Hubb1e]

I still don't' know why you went sandy G860 and H61 when the G2020 CPU and B75 board were exactly the same price, got you USB3, SATAIII, and is a bit faster. But whatever. Enjoy.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Really...?
It seems there are multiple takes on that, depending on where you look.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Trinity-Codename-255654/Tests/A6-5400K-A4-5300-Trinity-Test-1045762/

That's testing the integrated GPU. We don't care about the performance of the integrated GPU because we have the budget for a discrete GPU.

Oh, and the $40 "useless" GPU provides the same level of performance as a discrete 6570. Which starts at $50...

But his budget isn't constrained to a 6570, now is it? So why are you suggesting he buy the $40 one bundled with the AMD CPU when he won't use it with a 7770? It has zero performance when not in use, and he won't be using it; so... what's the point of spending that $40?
Should we add a few RAID cards into this build as well? How about a dial-up modem or two?

A 300MHz difference plus an additional megabyte of L3 cache is not going to make the difference between playable and unplayable.

It's a 6% addition to the build cost for a 12% boost in clock speed, plus the additional cache, and we're not making any trade-offs in the build to get it.

I still don't' know why you went sandy G860 and H61 when the G2020 CPU and B75 board were exactly the same price, got you USB3, SATAIII, and is a bit faster. But whatever. Enjoy.

He''ll probably never see a difference. Hard drive doesn't need SATAIII, and mouse + keyboard don't need USB 3.0.

 

[Wolfsraider]

to be honest I went sandy as no way to do bios upgrade if needed as with ivy sry needed it to work out of box

Thanks again! you all rock!!! parts will be here wed

 

[Torn Mind]

A B75 board does not need a BIOS upgrade for Ivy Bridge; it was made to work with Ivy out of the box. An H61 board does because those motherboards were made before Ivy Bridge chips were being sold.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

That's testing the integrated GPU. We don't care about the performance of the integrated GPU because we have the budget for a discrete GPU.

Well, that just proves you didn't bother to actually check the article.

But his budget isn't constrained to a 6570, now is it? So why are you suggesting he buy the $40 one bundled with the AMD CPU when he won't use it with a 7770? It has zero performance when not in use, and he won't be using it; so... what's the point of spending that $40?
Should we add a few RAID cards into this build as well? How about a dial-up modem or two?

I didn't. I was suggesting not using a discrete card, when the 5800K has the SAME performance as a 6570 at LOWER cost. Hence my comment about the 750K not being available in the US...

It's a 6% addition to the build cost for a 12% boost in clock speed, plus the additional cache, and we're not making any trade-offs in the build to get it.

Its still $20. I thought this was about getting the job done as cheaply as possible.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Well, that just proves you didn't bother to actually check the article.

Nowhere does the article pit a 7770 + G860 against the 7560D, so where do you get off saying it's slower?

I didn't. I was suggesting not using a discrete card

Which is why you got beaten down so badly. You were suggesting something with a quarter of the performance. Hey, next time why don't you recommend 6150LE integrated graphics in a $1000 gaming build? It would save $300, and they could still play Quake 2 just fine!

Its still $20. I thought this was about getting the job done as cheaply as possible.

His stated use defines its useful performance envelope -- World of Tanks recommends a GTX 260/4870, and WoW can eat up graphics horsepower as well. He gave us a budget of $300. This does not mean, "Put him into a system that's half as powerful as recommended for his use so that it only costs $250."

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Nowhere does the article pit a 7770 + G860 against the 7560D, so where do you get off saying it's slower

What, apart from your own link to Anandtech's bench section?. Where the A10 wins every test apart from games...?

Don't even get me started on how pathetic the HD2000 (Pentium variety) is. I own, and use one my self...

Which is why you got beaten down so badly. You were suggesting something with a quarter of the performance. Hey, next time why don't you recommend 6150LE integrated graphics in a $1000 gaming build? It would save $300, and they could still play Quake 2 just fine!

Remember we where only talking 720p here. If we where talking 1080p, sure a 7770 would be necessary. The 5800K is perfectly capable of running games at 720p. But investing in a G860 + 7770 and running a game at 100+ FPS at 720p is NOT going to matter, getting f.x. a quality PSU is...

Oh, and why don't you recommend a GTX660ti or HD7950, next time there is a $300 build tread?. No reason to get personal...

 

[DominionSeraph]

What, apart from your own link to Anandtech's bench section?. Where the A10 wins every test apart from games...?

Rather shows that the G850 is fine for gaming, eh? Then we have the fact that the A10 is crippled by its GPU. So how do you sell that a G860 + 7770 is slower than an A10, when the G860 has perfectly acceptable CPU performance and the 7770 is 4 times faster than that A10?

Don't even get me started on how pathetic the HD2000 (Pentium variety) is. I own, and use one my self...

The build isn't using it, so it has absolutely no place in this discussion.

Remember we where only talking 720p here. If we where talking 1080p, sure a 7770 would be necessary. The 5800K is perfectly capable of running games at 720p.

Metro 2033, the A10 gets 40FPS on Low at 1368x768.
BF3, has to be at Low to get 60FPS.
Skyrim, Medium to get 60FPS.
No AA/AF in any of these, when AA is most needed at low resolutions.
Perfectly capable? LOL no.

Oh, and why don't you recommend a GTX660ti or HD7950, next time there is a $300 build tread?.

If it will fit in budget without making any other sacrifices, and the build calls for it, I certainly will. That would be a pretty sweet $300 rig.

 

[Hubb1e]

If it will fit in budget without making any other sacrifices, and the build calls for it, I certainly will. That would be a pretty sweet $300 rig.

The budget didn't fit it. The end result was $380 and the OP was ok with more budget.