London is cracking down on knives

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'd rather have a knife problem than a gun problem.

Would you rather be dead by a gun or a knife?

 

[Genx87]

In the good ol USA it is. Stronger gun laws equate to less gun deaths.

Nice deflection. The USA has about 8 times as many guns as Mexico while Mexico has 50% more gun homicides per capita.

 

[Genx87]

Thanks to guns largely smuggled from the US.

What a second. Are you admitting that gun violence may be a result exclusive of gun ownership by law abiding citizens?

 

[Red Storm]

Would you rather be dead by a gun or a knife?

I'd rather 1-2 people die from a knife attack than exponentially more from a gun.

 

[mdram]

I'd rather 1-2 people die from a knife attack than exponentially more from a gun.

its often more than 1-2

 

[fskimospy]

Nice deflection. The USA has about 8 times as many guns as Mexico while Mexico has 50% more gun homicides per capita.

Anecdotal evidence. The empirical data indicates that within the US increased gun ownership is associated with increased rates of crime, homicide, and suicide.

 

[Red Storm]

its often more than 1-2

I'd rather have fewer people dying from knife attacks than more dying from gun attacks.

 

[mdram]

I'd rather have fewer people dying from knife attacks than more dying from gun attacks.

so your fine with people dying, thats sad

 

[Red Storm]

so your fine with people dying, thats sad

That's about the type of answer I expected.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'd rather 1-2 people die from a knife attack than exponentially more from a gun.

How about exponentially more from a van?

This is a down a rabbit hole where no one wins. The police thought they would make London safer without guns and it didn't work. Now knives. That won't work. The problem isn't the object but the person. Where life is cheap then it doesn't matter. When one wants to kill many that's ridiculously easy guns or no. It is the illusion the "right to feel safe" that matters. Dying? Apparently not so much.

 

[fskimospy]

How about exponentially more from a van?

This is a rabbit hole where no one wins. The police thought they would make London safer without guns and it didn't work. Now knives. That won't work. The problem isn't the object but the person. Where life is cheap then it doesn't matter. When one wants to kill many that's ridiculously easy guns or no. It is the illusion the "right to feel safe" that matters. Dying? Apparently not so much.

I think it would be impossible to look at the data and make the claim that banning guns did not make London safer. People keep mentioning how London's homicide rate is higher than New York's, but this is untrue. It's true that for one, cherry picked time period this was the case, but overall London's murder rate is MUCH lower than New York's.

New York's has been declining for years and that's great, it has a long way to go before it's as safe as gunless London though.

 

[Red Storm]

When one wants to kill many that's ridiculously easy guns or no.

It's easier with guns, much easier. You know it, I know it, everyone else knows it, but some just don't want to admit it.

 

[Atreus21]

Anyway these boys in blue of London would freak if they saw my EDC's. Spyderco must send them running.

I had the Harpy awhile back when I was sailing alot. Useful for cutting ropes.

Got pulled over and a cop took it from me - said I could pick it up on my court date. Showed up and no one knew anything about it.

Nice $80 haul from a traffic stop, you bum.

 

[Harry_Wild]

Theres been some recent knife attacks (I wouldn’t think any more than in any large city) so the mayor is cracking down. If you order a knife online it can’t be delivered to a residential address.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ery-online-government-crackdown-a8293686.html

And he sees no reason anyone should carry a knife

https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800




I almost always have a knife nearby. Not for defense or anything but utility. What good does banning home deliveries do?

Before guns; swords were carry around for protection! Remember Conan The Barbarian days - the movie in 35,000 B.C. LOL!

 

[mdram]

I had the Harpy awhile back when I was sailing alot. Useful for cutting ropes.

Got pulled over and a cop took it from me - said I could pick it up on my court date. Showed up and no one knew anything about it.

Nice $80 haul from a traffic stop, you bum.

cop tooka knife?
never heard of that.
never even been asked if i had one the few times i was stopped.
and i always have a pocket knife

 

[Genx87]

Anecdotal evidence. The empirical data indicates that within the US increased gun ownership is associated with increased rates of crime, homicide, and suicide.

I can go down the list of other countries that have far less gun ownership and higher rates of gun homicides.

 

[Genx87]

I think it would be impossible to look at the data and make the claim that banning guns did not make London safer. People keep mentioning how London's homicide rate is higher than New York's, but this is untrue. It's true that for one, cherry picked time period this was the case, but overall London's murder rate is MUCH lower than New York's.

New York's has been declining for years and that's great, it has a long way to go before it's as safe as gunless London though.

London was even before the large scale gun ban a safe city. And if we want to get down to it, the number of murders peaked 7 years after the 1996 gun ban.

 

[fskimospy]

I can go down the list of other countries that have far less gun ownership and higher rates of gun homicides.

That's fine but I think you know as well as I do that it's completely irrelevant as gun ownership isn't the only factor in homicide rate. That's why anecdotal evidence isn't useful, as it doesn't account for those things. On the other hand empirical research does control for other factors, which is why it's the standard of evidence we should all use. The research indicates increased gun ownership is associated with an increase in crime, homicide, and suicide.

I don't think this is the most surprising finding ever, when you increase the availability of tools frequently used in crime and killing, crime and killing goes up. It's kind of common sense.

 

[mdram]

TThe research indicates increased gun ownership is associated with an increase in crime, homicide, and suicide.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-new-brain/201607/fact-check-gun-control-and-suicide

suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

 

[fskimospy]

London was even before the large scale gun ban a safe city. And if we want to get down to it, the number of murders peaked 7 years after the 1996 gun ban.

The gun ban was in 1997 and these policies take years to implement. It's not like you ban guns and they suddenly disappear. If anything your chart strongly supports my case but again we don't really need that chart, we have reams of actual statistical research on the effects of guns on murder rates.

Is it really so hard to admit that widespread availability of very effective killing tools leads to more killing? I mean... come on.

 

[JSt0rm]

So many pussy gun owners around here. Lol. Pussy pussy pussy.

 

[fskimospy]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-new-brain/201607/fact-check-gun-control-and-suicide

suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

This is again, anecdotal evidence and a blog post that the author should be ashamed of. Attempting to look at suicide rates without controlling for other effects would get you an F in stats 101. Honestly, a first semester undergrad could teach that guy a lot about research.

If you would like actual evidence on the relationship between gun ownership and suicide here are a few peer reviewed studies to that effect. I can provide you with many, many more if you are so inclined.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4984734/

Results. State-level firearm ownership was associated with an increase in both male and female firearm-related suicide rates and with a decrease in nonfirearm-related suicide rates. Higher gun ownership was associated with higher suicide rates by any means among male, but not among female, persons.

Conclusions. We found a strong relationship between state-level firearm ownership and firearm suicide rates among both genders, and a relationship between firearm ownership and suicides by any means among male, but not female, individuals.

I can cite a whole lot more if you would like. Mine are actual peer-reviewed research too, not a blog post.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think it would be impossible to look at the data and make the claim that banning guns did not make London safer. People keep mentioning how London's homicide rate is higher than New York's, but this is untrue. It's true that for one, cherry picked time period this was the case, but overall London's murder rate is MUCH lower than New York's.

New York's has been declining for years and that's great, it has a long way to go before it's as safe as gunless London though.

Here's another graph for you.

It would appear that NYC is not unique, far from it in terms of homicide rates from guns. NYC is also not an island and as guns are so very easy to get the decline, relying on NYC laws is problematic as the cause because the facts are that NYC is becoming more like the most of the rest of America and crime as a whole is down. Where this is of note is that other highly regulated cities aren't following this trend.

 

[mdram]

This is again, anecdotal evidence and a blog post that the author should be ashamed of. Attempting to look at suicide rates without controlling for other effects would get you an F in stats 101. Honestly, a first semester undergrad could teach that guy a lot about research.

If you would like actual evidence on the relationship between gun ownership and suicide here are a few peer reviewed studies to that effect. I can provide you with many, many more if you are so inclined.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4984734/



I can cite a whole lot more if you would like. Mine are actual peer-reviewed research too, not a blog post.

gotcha, article disagrees with you, therefore its not relevant.

 

[Sunburn74]

Nice deflection. The USA has about 8 times as many guns as Mexico while Mexico has 50% more gun homicides per capita.

Nice deflection by picking an outlier that basically is at civil war within itself. Why not choose Syria? Or war torn Yemen for your comparison?